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November 20, 2013

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DeeCane

First!!!

DeeCane

I'm ready for part 2 tomorrow SOUP...I'm waiting to hear what people say about that..you teasing us bro...lol

Yoopercane

Not first!!!!!!!!!!!! Boom!

360Cane

And what's going on in this little play? Looks like we're in a 46 with an extra guy to blitz. DT gets completely turned around and has his back to the play. The LB chose the wrong gap and there is absolutely no soft zone to be found. Still think its the DC? Yea, I know. My posts get flagged for trolling when I actually bring some sense to this Cancerspace.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9988508&ex_cid=espnapi_public

nemo2002

Hey now!!!

Montreal-Cane

SOUP wow this is some good research. Very interesting please send a copy to all the coaches at the U.

Sinistercane

So the the former TE player believes his defensive scheme will work at the U even though it hasn't work at UVA or temple.


We need speed/attack vs read/react

Montreal-Cane

Al Golden last night on WQAM Hurricane Hotline:" I would never trade our 2014 recruiting class with any other program in the country"

https://soundcloud.com/wqam

SOUP

Very interesting please send a copy to all the coaches at the U.

Posted by: Montreal-Cane | November 20, 2013 at 07:50 AM

ALREADY DONE.

Lots more to come over the next three days.

CaneRock

MH: "Four-star freshman Jermaine Grace has been limited almost entirely to special teams, and at less than 210 pounds, doesn’t project as a starter next year. “He can help us on third down,” D’Onofrio said. “We’ve asked him to put on weight.” But he's not ready to be the high-impact player some expected."

CR: While I understand the game of football requires physicality, it also requires...INTELLECTUALITY! Hows about makin' the kid a SMARTER! football player, so WHEN! He puts on that size, it's WIN! WIN! I'm all for the process, but at some point, this coaching staff is gonna have to ACCELERATE! the process!

UMike

Yea..I couldn't stay away!!! I am losing respect for Golden. I have been a huge Golden supporter, but to sit there and allow D'No to put ALL he blame on the players is very troublesome. D'No repeatedly threw he players under the bus without saying anything about himself. It is only a matter of time (if it hasn't happened already) before the players turn on him or quit on him.

UMike

With his team on a three-game losing skid and his defense in the midst of one of the worst runs in school history, UM coach Al Golden continued to face questions Tuesday about defensive coordinator Mark D'Onofrio, his scheme and the basic philosophy behind it.

Once again, Golden reiterated he signs off on everything the defense does.

"I'm going to keep saying it, that I'm involved in every aspect of football here at the University of Miami," Golden said. "I'm responsible for it all. Right now we're not playing well enough collectively. Again we had some good performances the other night. I indicated those to you the other night on Sunday. But really collectively it's not good enough and I'm responsible for it."

What exactly is the philosophy behind this 3-4 scheme? And why does it seem like players are reading and reacting instead of being aggressive?

"There's never a day where we ever talk about read and react. That's not even a mention," Golden said. "Depending where you are on a defense you have a key and have to respond. That's defense. We want to be a 3-4 because a 3-4 lets you get more speed at linebacker, get in and out of over and under fronts. It allows you to play with four down or go to an odd front, allows you to have speed, allows you to attack more. Interceptions are up, takeaways are up, sacks are up. All that's up, but it's not good enough. So we have to continue to build it. We have to continue to build our depth, continue to develop kids. Obviously we want to attack, want to be a dynamic defense, a defense that can fly around and disrupt the passer and get tackles for loss. Otherwise you don't want to be in that configuration. Again, it hasn't been good enough. I want to own the fact it hasn't been good enough the last couple of weeks."

Why did Golden choose this style of defense?

"Because we didn't have a million defensive linemen," Golden said. "We didn't have 16 defensive linemen. For the real big guys, the noses, you only needed a couple of those. [Curtis] Porter, Earl Moore, we had to bring [Justin] Renfrow in to have enough to go through the season. We didn't have the depth on the defensive line. We had more linebackers, more guys like [Tyriq] McCord that were a hybrid guy. I think it was the best decision for us coming into this season and we'll continue to personnel it. But we're going to have to continue to improve and continue to build depth and move forward."

How important is scheme in relation to execution?

"At the end of the day you summed up any coordinator or any entity. You lay out what the philosophy is, what you're trying to execute and ultimately it comes down to the execution of it," Golden said. "It comes down to whether or not we're carrying out everything we need to do in those positions. The problem with our defense is you can get exposed if there's nine or 10 guys doing it right one play and one guys is not. No. 2 when you have issues you weaken other areas by trying to fix those. I don't think there's any question in my career I've seen just about every defense, been a part of a staff of any defense that you can have. Ultimately it comes down to the execution of what you're trying to get done on any single play. That's it at the end of the day. There's a million different things we can call. We look at that every day. We're evaluating that, we're evaluating our personnel, making sure we putting guys in position to execute and get their talent in the game."

Have you seen a difference in run defense in the 3-4 compared to the 4-3?

"I think we had more success early in the year by continuing to be multiple, by lining up in both, by pressuring out of both, and we'll continue to do that," Golden said. "We need more tackles for losses, more sacks. And we need more takeaways. All three of those can be tied together. We need that kind of output to return."

NEWS AND NOTES

> Golden said there will be personnel changes this week, but he didn't want to delve deeper into than what UM released in its depth chart late Sunday night.

He did say senior Justin Renfrow would play more at end so Curtis Porter and Earl Moore see more time at tackle. Golden also said sophomore Tyriq McCord has played well at strongside linebacker the past couple weeks.

"[Freshman] Corn Elder is on the depth chart now. He is going to get more reps," Golden said. "[Freshman] Jamal Carter got a lot of reps today. Some of those guys are earning reps and doing a good job in the roles that we're giving them. We'll see if they can't add spark us or add something to it.

Is Golden going younger on purpose to get those players more experience? He stayed away from saying that -- or upsetting his seniors.

"It has nothing to do with their age," Golden said. "The one thing I want everybody to know -- we're going to support the seniors through this. Because we lost a couple of games I'm not going to turn my back on the seniors that really stood with us through all this tumult. I'm not going to do it.

"But certain kids I mentioned, Jamal [Carter], [Al-Quadin] Muhammad, [Ufomba] Kamalu, Corn Elder, they're earning reps. And they're earning reps because they're producing. It's just like Stacy [Coley]. Stacy is producing on kick and punt returns so now he's going to earn more reps. It's not that were taking any reps from any seniors. Some of these guys have earned reps and we're going to give them an opportunity."

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2013/11/golden-discusses-defensive-philosophy-other-notes-from-tuesday.html#storylink=cpy

CaneRock

Al Golden: "There's never a day where we ever talk about read and react. That's not even a mention," Golden said. "Depending where you are on a defense you have a key and have to respond. That's defense."

WTF! type of English is Golden speakin'!

While I appreciate Golden "Upholding The Legacy", what type of FOOLS! does He take us for! "Read and React", and "Key and Respond", is the SAME $HIT!

Hows about getting the players to MASTER! PLAY RECOGNITION!, instead of BLINDLY! following a key that leads them NOWHERE! SHEEZ!

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2013/11/golden-discusses-defensive-philosophy-other-notes-from-tuesday.html#storylink=cpy

UMike

For those who care, Bond is going to OU

UMike

From CIS..


Darrion Owens

From the words of his coach to the glorious canesinsight recruiting board

"Ya boy Darrion just stepped on the scale with only a pair of shorts on and tennis shoes and weighed 226.3"

UMike

Tito workin...

2015 QB Gibson Leading for Heritage

2015 American Heritage (Fla.) QB Torrance Gibson is well aware of the stigma that has surrounded the Patriots for the past two years and he plans on changing it with this years playoffs.

“We’re very serious because everyone is doubting us and expecting us to lose. Heritage has a reputation for losing in the first round; so we have to show that we’re not that team anymore, we are an upscale team and we’re just preparing.”

Gibson was a back up last year for the Patriots and a year later some have called him one of the best dual threat quarterbacks in the nation.

“It’s amazing. I remember last year just watching Tyler Cogswell (Former Heritage QB) and he’s a great quarterback and they’re ranking me higher than he was. It’s a blessing and I’m thankful for it.”

The Patriots are 11-1 and rolling after pummeling Cardinal Gibbons (Fla.) in the first round by a score of 71-24. Head Coach and former Miami Hurricane Mike Rumph has done a terrific job with the team and the 6’3 190 pound quarterback commented on him.

“He’s like us, he knows what we’re going through. He knows his players, when they’re hurting and what’s going on with their families. That’s what I like about coach Rumph and everyone is comfortable around him.”

Colleges from all around the country have been in contact with the American Heritage product and he’s got a few that are sticking out.

“Ohio State, Miami, Tennessee, Notre Dame, Clemson, Florida State, and LSU.”

Gibson claims no leaders at the moment, but did talk about two schools in particular: Miami and Ohio State.

“With Miami, they have been recruiting me since I was in the 8th grade. I know coach Golden, he’s an awesome coach. They have great tradition at Miami, a great program and Miami’s the best Florida school I’ve been to so far. I haven’t been to any other Florida schools yet, but they’re the best right now.”

Gibson does admit the fact that the ‘Canes have been on his trail for so long does mean a lot to him.

“Oh yeah, when somebody has been recruiting you since the 8th grade it means they want you bad and you can tell.”

http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/59314-Article-2015-QB-Gibson-Leading-for-American-Heritage

UMike

From CIS & Rivals..


DL Claude Pelon

*Visit date Dec. 14 & will announce next month
-says "Coach (Jethro) Franklin is recruiting me," "He told me I'm really important to the class, that I'm a big-time player, that my role there would be a very big role. He wants me to come in and help out the team, do my part."
- says "I have family there, and that helps Miami a lot. My mom, she'd get to come watch me play." (hes the dude frome Homestead)
(wants to be an EE, trying to get classes in order,took visits to USC and Washington, and this weekend he'll visit UCF,Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan State also remain in his picture)
- says "As of right now I'm taking it slow, have no one moving up to the top right now,"
- says "After my five visits I'll sit down and think about it, figure out what's the best place for me,"
watched UM's loss to Duke and that, despite Miami's struggles, that it made him want to be a Cane more -LULZ
- says "It shows where the weaknesses are at - actually listening to the TV they were saying how bad the defense was, and I can boost that, it showed how I can help them right away," "Getting immediate playing time, that's a big deal because I'm a two for two, only have two years left" "That game helped Miami in a lot of ways with me."
- says "They say I can come in, play right away, that I can do a lot more than the kids they have now."
-being recruited to play end and tackle

http://miami.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1576749

CaneRock

And gettin' back to Grace...I'd rather have a 210 LB player BUSTIN' SOMEBODY'S ASS!, than a 250+ LB (Gaines) player ON THE WAY!

Another example, Gaines is naturally bigger than Perryman, but answer me this, which one has made more IMPACT! plays this year...

UMike

Also..do not be surprised if we lose Valentine. Not saying it is going to happen, but do not be surprised if he is not in this class.

UMike

CR...isn't this all just depressing?? lol D'No and Golden are trying to stretch the NCAA issue out for as long as possible..since it can no longer be blamed for losing out on recruits, they are blaming it for their current players. And this will NOT get better because D'No isn't going no where and we get younger and weaker on the DL next year...oh and Perryman will be gone lol

UMike

Plenty of Hurricanes banged up for Tuesday’s practice
by Matt Porter

CORAL GABLES — Several Hurricanes are in various states of repair heading into the final two games of the regular season.

Freshman cornerback Artie Burns, who suffered an ankle injury in last Saturday’s 48-30 loss at Duke, was in a red (non-contact) jersey for Tuesday’s practice. Same goes for freshman linebacker Alex Figueroa (shoulder), who was also in a sling. While Burns was listed on Miami’s most recent depth chart, Figueroa was not, casting doubt on his availability for Saturday’s game against Virginia (noon, ESPNU).

Practicing in yellow (limited contact) jerseys: junior wide receiver Phillip Dorsett (partially torn MCL), who was listed on the depth chart as a co-starter. He is expected to return Saturday after a four-game absence. Freshman receiver Stacy Coley (head), who suffered a suspected concussion against Duke, was in yellow.

Redshirt freshman offensive lineman Danny Isidora (foot) was also in yellow. He has not played this season after breaking his foot early in August training camp.

- See more at: http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/caneswatch/2013/11/19/plenty-of-hurricanes-banged-up-for-tuesdays-practice/#sthash.KONqNx1w.dpuf

UMike

My thoughts...


Eric Winston On Miami Defense

A few quotes from a interview he did on ITU.

"The problem is everything-with scheme and philosphy and then it tricles down to what the kids need to do and how they're executing."

"Like i said they're not dictating the game to the offense. They're just trying to counter-punch the whole time."

"We run the same play over and over. It does not matter if the TE is gashing us, the Rb gashing us, the short passes.... we still line up in the same formation with the same play.... opposing OCs must have a field day. I wonder what they say to themselves."

"If AG is a former DC and the D is our major problem, why has he not stepped in? Friends or not, in the real world you have to worry about your livelihood and family first and foremost.... flat out, your product is not getting it done on the field. Talent or not, these guys don't play as a cohesive unit on D"

Montreal-Cane

Enough for the "negative" until after the Virginia game.

Miami will destroy Virginia and the seniors will play great.

CaneRock

UMike, what took the cake for me, is when D'Onofrio made this GEM! of a comment:

About Grace, D’Onofrio said. “We’ve asked him to put on weight.”

UHHHHHH, my question to that IS!, if He came in at 185-190, and He weighs 210 now...doesn't that mean He's put on 20-25 LBs since He's gotten here?

UMike

Ima be negative until I see positive! We thought we would destroy Duke..all UVA has to do is fine 1 play that works haha

CaneRock

Ima be negative until I see positive!

Posted by: UMike | November 20, 2013 at 09:08 AM

LMAO! UMike, yeah, sometimes you gotta call it for what it is...BULL$HIT!

Ohio_Cane

Also..do not be surprised if we lose Valentine. Not saying it is going to happen, but do not be surprised if he is not in this class.

Posted by: UMike | November 20, 2013 at 08:52 AM
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He's flirting with LSU, but I would still be surprised if he wasn't a Cane on NSD.

Ohio_Cane

UMike, I decided that our convo was a little too telling to post here, so I deleted it so we don't get anyone in trouble.

UMike

I was thinking the same thing..is all good

Account Deleted

My guess on the change..

Baylor is a high powered offense scoring big points each week. The opponent is always playing from way behind, makes it easier to focus only on the pass. Non conference games were very easy, they have 3 tough games left. We'll see if the ranking holds.

Marshall - non conference schedule is extremely easy, hence they give up very few points/yds. The O scores well too...

UMike

Ohio..I think he is doing a little more than flirting. I do think we get his last visit, which is huge. But with his possible credit issues, other schools present an easier path.

UMike

I do like the fact that D recruits see a chance to help right away

CalgaryCane

"We run the same play over and over. It does not matter if the TE is gashing us, the Rb gashing us, the short passes.... we still line up in the same formation with the same play.... opposing OCs must have a field day. I wonder what they say to themselves."

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Really? gosh that's news to us!

Sinistercane

I truly lost respect for Al I've never seen a coach who constantly throw his players under the BUS. IF the Duke HC had are talent we be 9-1

UMike

But Calgary..its the players fault lol

Ohio_Cane

But Calgary..its the players fault lol

Posted by: UMike | November 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM
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Are U giving the players a pass, even though it's them that's not executing?

Did the coaches miss tackles? Did the coaches miss assignments? Did the coaches drop passes?

Now, I'm not saying it's ALL the player's fault, but it's AT LEAST partly their fault. Probably most of the blame lies in their hands.

trianglecane

If dno is going to be fired.

Golden will give full support to dno during the season (as we see now). This will allow the players to stay focused and Golden not to have to do extra pampering to recruits while trying to win games.

After the season Golden will let the coaches, players, then recruits know about dno's decision to resign. But, it's okay because....

He will then slide Barrow in there and keep it moving. IMHO

CalgaryCane

Now, I'm not saying it's ALL the player's fault, but it's AT LEAST partly their fault. Probably most of the blame lies in their hands.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | November 20, 2013 at 10:15 AM

It's partly the players fault... but if you can't keep a team working cohesively and motivated, it's the coaches fault.

UMike

Ohio..the players dont get a pass for missing tackles, but just about everything else on the D side is on the coaches. How do WE know they missed assignments..because D'No keeps telling us? If a team keeps beating us with 1 play, that is the coaches fault! lol... How do we know they are not executing..because D'No told us so? If a player or players are not executing in the 8th, 9th and 10th game of the season, whos fault is that? So hey have been in the system for a couple years and are already almost done with another..and they still cant execute? That is BS....all I keep hearing is blah blah "we dont have the talent".. blah blah "the players arent executing".... that is the coaches!

We dont have the talent of FSU or Bama etc..but we have more than enough talent to NOT get our shyt pushed in by horrible offensive teams. I remember hearing the announcer say "this is a Duke team that has been struggling on offense before today".... same with VT... how long are you going to give the coaches a pass?

herbieibis

Either those players on defense are a bunch of idiots or the coaches have mass mutiny on that side of the ball.
As I mentioned on the last blog, why waste a year of Grace's eligibility, on special teams, when as a LB he weighs 205LBs. Why not redshirt him and let him get bigger & stronger.
As far as running a 3/4 defense, it's not like we have a bunch of LB's to run that either, or should I say the caliber we need to effectively run it. I don't see Valentine making it in. Either grades or LSU will intervene. If we are going to run a 3/4, then why the slack effort of LB recruits in the incoming class?

VA Cane

I sure wish some people would get off the Stars and Swag bus!!!!! Yes we should have got our head handed to us by FSU. While we may have had more overall talent....again people stop drinking the cyanide Kool Aid....more 100 and 40 speed, more stars....more talk (Tracy YOU do not know what you are doing) more SWAG........we did not have more talent when it came to execution and presence of fundamentals, desire, toughness, aggression and general making plays when needed.

They blocked and tackled made plays were aggressive and owned both lines of scrimmage. We talk about these critical things yet we do not execute them on either side of the ball. Listen to Soldy....."they are getting beat physically on both sides of the ball"....why......we do not execute the fundamentals and both attacks O and D are passive. Got noting to do with talent. Bottom line face it we got people who want to ballroom dance with others....footballs a hitting sport dancing is a contact sport....thanks Vince L!!!!!!

We do not execute basic sound fundamental football in a violent angry physical attack on either side of the ball. Don't matter how much talent you THINK we have we don't have this kind who want to get it done by hurting your opponent. The really good talnet is going to the big boys who play the violent game in a controlled rage!!!!! JMO

Up North, don't say Tracy....pick a proven winner when you get #3....the late great Dale Earnhardt....he would really hit somebody!!!!!LOL!!!!

UMike

Another thing...NCAA issues or not, the current coaches picked the majority of these players to fit their scheme. So if you dont have the right players for your scheme..guess what....thats the dam coaches fault lol

Ohio_Cane

1. How do WE know they missed assignments

2. If a team keeps beating us with 1 play, that is the coaches fault!

3. How do we know they are not executing.

4. If a player or players are not executing in the 8th, 9th and 10th game of the season, whos fault is that?

5. how long are you going to give the coaches a pass?

Posted by: UMike | November 20, 2013 at 10:29 AM
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1. Because I watch them get smoked on routes when they don't have help and think they do. That's either on the corner for not knowing he doesn't have help over the top, or the safety for not knowing he's supposed to be helping. OR a corner passing off coverage on a crossing route to a LB who isn't there. That's EXECUTION

2. Completely true, but also on the MLB to change the coverage. Gaines has been given that ability, but hasn't utilized it.

3. See #1 and my previous point about missing tackles, not shedding blocks, etc.

4. IT'S THE FREAKING PLAYERS FAULT. Coaches can't MAKE kids shed blocks, and other points I made in #1

5. Not once have I given the coaches a pass. They need to be much better. That said, players go out and play, coaches tell them what/how to do that during the week prior to the game.

Best example I can think of at the moment:

If you teach your child over and over and over how to tie his shoes a certain way, and he/she keeps tying it another way, is it all your fault? Of course you'd keep trying to teach him/her the RIGHT way to do it, but it's on THEM to listen and do what you're asking.

UMike

It is on the coaches to make a change if a player still cant execute the same dam scheme in the 9th and 10th game of the year. Maybe our corners dont have help because of the scheme. To me this is 70-75% coaching (being nice there) and 25-30% players. If a guy cant execute this late in the year after already being in he system a year or two, put someone else in who can. Were burning redshirts any way lol

LA3

"Four-star freshman Jermaine Grace has been limited almost entirely to special teams, and at less than 210 pounds, doesn’t project as a starter next year. “He can help us on third down,” D’Onofrio said.
But he's not ready to be the high-impact player some expected."

And gettin' back to Grace...I'd rather have a 210 LB player BUSTIN' SOMEBODY'S ASS!, than a 250+ LB (Gaines) player ON THE WAY!

I just threw up.....How does weight translate to "high-impact"?
I completely agree..Grace can ball and he could make impact on EVERY down.
BUT...BUT...wait for it.
He is not 240 to ENGAGE the OLINE and SIT THERE waiting for someone else to make tackle!
""""The problem with our defense is you can get exposed if there's nine or 10 guys doing it right one play and one guys is not."""

Doing the RIGHT THING?!! You have got to be kidding me! Scheme says hold the line and wait for help...stay in you gap...wait for help...

I am going to keep saying what I am saying until Big Al or DNO prove me wrong. Negative or NOT.
Defense SUCKS....UVA will score 24+ on us!
And they have shot a pulling off upset.


UMike

If my son repeatedly did it over and over wrong, I would buy him some dam Velcros and move on lol

UMike

We have enough talent to not let every QB or RB have career games against us lol

CalgaryCane

If you teach your child over and over and over how to tie his shoes a certain way, and he/she keeps tying it another way, is it all your fault? Of course you'd keep trying to teach him/her the RIGHT way to do it, but it's on THEM to listen and do what you're asking.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | November 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM

If it were one child...sure. If it were a whole classroom, then you are either in an asylum or the teacher don't know how to teach.

CaneRock

We have enough talent to not let every QB or RB have career games against us lol

Posted by: UMike | November 20, 2013 at 10:51 AM

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA! OHHHHHHH...$HIT! UMike, you got me in tears over here! LMAO!

CaneRock

^^^^^^^^^^My bad UMike, this was FUNNY AS HELL!

If my son repeatedly did it over and over wrong, I would buy him some dam Velcros and move on lol

Posted by: UMike | November 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM

LA3

FOR the RECORD! Al and DNO talk a good game and ACT like they know what they are doing.
But, the reality is they are full of SH$T.

Someone and ANYONE please tell me what the hand picked personnel would be for them to work? I want to see two deep for def.
Name a guy for example or give me stats on him.

Miles Jack UCLA Freshman 6-2 225
Telvin Smith FSU SR 6-3 218
Josh Tremble Va Tech SO 6-0 216
Starting LB for Va Tech go 230-216-234.

""""Earning Reps?!!!"""""
Who is #1....Who is best man in the position...
If you want Rep's then beat out #1...outplay him, out hussle him, BEAT him for chance to see the field.
We have SO MANY people getting field time...NONE of them are making a difference!
Because they do not play enough....or have fear of lossing playing time.
Who is last guy to get BENCHED for the Canes????
You gave up 1600+ yards on DEF....so sit so sorry A$$ non tackling not following the scheme SOB DOWN. Find someone to PLAY!
IF or SINCE its all on the kids....

VA Cane

You played in HS against some good players you could get by with an arm tackle or half ass shove block....don't work like that here. You have to execute the fundamentals quickly correctly every time or you get beat. Like CR said....give me a 210 lb frosh busting his ass on a guy giving it all he has on the field as opposed to a SR who knows his last games are now....that he aint going no further so WTF!!!!!

This game demands a huge physical and mental effort and so far I do not see it in a consistent manner. You got to want to make that play every time....if you cannot or will not get out of the way and I will play someone who will. If I need to re-teach you how to tackle that's fine; if I see you cannot and leave your azz in then the problem is a dual edge sword.....you cannot execute and are not willing to learn.....I either cannot see it (how could I not)or allow it to go on without educating you......WE BOTH are at fault.....and for the HC to allow such a laid back loose passive scheme.....full of players who cannot tackle and coaches who are not coaching....that's on him as well.

I do not put blame on one thing....in this game we all depend on each other.....the blame is very evenly distributed on all involved....now is the time to move on...instead of talking about it...
WE do something about it...that's my biggest concern....we see it 3 weeks in a row and continue to do the same thing like rats in a maze..........that's psychotic that's insanity address the problem. JMO

VA Cane

Meanwhile back at the ranch......

We practiced in the cold last night....dressed warm went over the cold weather program for SAT....I mean I played in real cold most of my life....once we played Covington in the snow and ice with wind chills about -5...so I know. We did all our basics...handoffs, drive pass reach pull blocks...footwork mirror drills exercises....walk up tackle drills blocking on 2x4 boards....we are so fundamentally sound.....I do not need a real plan now. We know what we are going to do...simple. Run the ball right at them I mean we pounded the sled not each other....we dirve them out. We will employ 2 TEs and the T backfield....then we will go to some read option out of the pistol...but keep running inside...then my TEs and WRs will open it up.

On D....3 3 5 with my 5 defenders man up I mean the meanest man up ever.....front 6 attack. Then we do some 46, 4/4 stack 4/3 Dallas flex etc....we are attacking all day. We are ready now and in great spirits.

Oh by the way report cards out yesterday no D or Fs...team mom figures about a 3.29456 or so combined gpa.....really smart but controlled rage assassins....we are going for the throat Sat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CaneRock

If you teach your child over and over and over how to tie his shoes a certain way, and he/she keeps tying it another way, is it all your fault? Of course you'd keep trying to teach him/her the RIGHT way to do it, but it's on THEM to listen and do what you're asking.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | November 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM

THEORIES OF LEARNING:

"There are two broad theories of learning. In one, the teacher gradually builds up a total picture by teaching the parts of the whole, one at a time. In the other “broad-based” (“whole-part-whole”) theory, the teacher presents the larger picture first and then fills in the details. While I have witnessed both approaches used in football, I am convinced that the better is that of working from the broadest possible base. Consequently, we literally overwhelm our players with terms, techniques, formations, plays and theories of the broadest possible range.

Thus they are exposed to a broad concept of football and are required to fight their way through a maze, but in the end they better understand the total picture. Eventually, they will even master the specific details as well as the students who started with the details, that is, the “part of the whole” system. Again, it is our conviction that we must teach far more football strategy than is likely to be required. A study of these two approaches over the years has persuaded me that when a player is exposed from the very beginning to the widest possible base;

1. he can adjust to changes much more easily;

2. he is rarely overcome by the unexpected situation because he has been exposed to so many “looks”;

3. he probably gains a greater understanding of the system.

The teaching of football from the broadest possible base allows us, the coaches, to be much more versatile in our planning for a particular game; also it causes our opponent greater concern as he must prepare, in a short time, to defend or attack the many looks we have mastered.

Another point recommending the broad-based teaching approach is that, through their exposure to many styles of football, our players begin to teach us. Sooner or later it becomes clear that certain players are geared to certain phases of the game and, within that game, to certain styles. This point, that a particular combination of players dictates the style of offense and defense – through their own strengths and weaknesses – is perhaps the most important factor in a coach’s style and strategy.

herbieibis

Okay Va Cane,
What happened to you the "U" tough mantra?
If it's fundamentals we lack, then coaching has got to be questioned or someone missed the boat on the recruiting trail on some of these guys. Our whole defense is bad and not consistent. That's the problem I have, no one is getting better. Golden can mention all he wants that Porter played good last week and a couple other players played good, then how does Duke get 350 on the ground against us. He mentioned we had no pass rush, well as far as I can see Porter is part of the pass rush as well. what kind of shyt is he smoking. Players have to respond to coaching and yes it's on theme to adhere to the game plan and stick to the schemes and game plan but game planning and adjustments are not being made, when a team continually does the same thing in the first half, they were doing in the first half, successful. We can't possibly have that many fricking freelance idiots on that side of the ball and stars do matter if you get enough of them, to offset a few who flame out. Golden, since he has his hands on all aspects of the program, either needs to excuse him self from the defensive game planning, let DENO do himself, or can his no adjustment azz and get someone in here who can get through to these zeros and motivate them.

CalgaryCane

We have SO MANY people getting field time...NONE of them are making a difference!
Because they do not play enough....or have fear of lossing playing time.
Who is last guy to get BENCHED for the Canes????
You gave up 1600+ yards on DEF....so sit so sorry A$$ non tackling not following the scheme SOB DOWN. Find someone to PLAY!
IF or SINCE its all on the kids....
Posted by: LA3 | November 20, 2013 at 11:14 AM

So true!

dj moonbat

Our whole defense is bad and not consistent. That's the problem I have, no one is getting better.

Posted by: herbieibis | November 20, 2013 at 11:46 AM


It really is true. The only guy I can think of who might be improved from the beginning of the year is Ladarius Gunter.

CalgaryCane

^^^ Do our coaches know how to use a carrot or stick? Obviously not working.

Sinistercane

UVA 38- CANES 28

Vault it

UMike

It really is true. The only guy I can think of who might be improved from the beginning of the year is Ladarius Gunter.

Posted by: dj moonbat | November 20, 2013 at 11:52 AM

I do think Shayon Green as improved. He might have maxed out his talent, but h has improved imo

LA3

Going back to this....
""""The problem with our defense is you can get exposed if there's nine or 10 guys doing it right one play and one guys is not."""

I have seen some guys play better....not much better but improved on plays here and there!

What I do not see and every Offense in the last 3 weeks must have figured it out... We don't have 9 or 10 guys doing the right thing....
Cuz they find the 2 players doing the wrong thing almost every play!

How can there be 1 or 2 or 3 players confused after 10 games....SIMPLE!
Other teams offense is trying to confuse us and BINGO! they have.

I looked back a some game tape....Our line engages or stunts out of position and a lead blocker (OLineman, TE, or FB) comes in and takes LB out, then leaves next def player 10 yards away trying to make the play. #52 has made a NUMBER of shoes string tackles---that would have gone for BIG yards or scores!

Said it the other day...Seems like we have ONE player that has to make the play every play....No gang tackling, to numbers coming to the ball.

What changed for the Gators game until now...Was that all just 5 TO's and poor QB play or did our defense REALLY PLAY?

CalgaryCane

What I do not see and every Offense in the last 3 weeks must have figured it out... We don't have 9 or 10 guys doing the right thing....
Cuz they find the 2 players doing the wrong thing almost every play!

Posted by: LA3 | November 20, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Don't feel bad... I saw an after game interview (can't remember which one) where DNo flat out said that he didn't know what was wrong.

dj moonbat

Maybe the problem is that the experience at Temple taught Golden and D'Onofrio that spending five years retooling a defense is a perfectly acceptable time frame.

Ohio_Cane

No Dorsett Saturday

Ohio_Cane

Burns doubtful too

dj moonbat

No Dorsett Saturday

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | November 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM


That's a bummer, but really I've got more confidence right now in the WRs than any other unit.

CaneRock

Maybe the problem is that the experience at Temple taught Golden and D'Onofrio that spending five years retooling a defense is a perfectly acceptable time frame.

Posted by: dj moonbat | November 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM

If anything, they should've been BETTER defensive coaches in all that time in Pennsylvania. SHEEZ!, they only had the 2 of the best DCs, in the history of the game at their disposal...Dick Lebeau & Jim Johnson.

UMike

Ohio..I like what you said before about Dorsett..no need to rush him back. Save him for a bowl game.

dj moonbat

If anything, they should've been BETTER defensive coaches in all that time in Pennsylvania.

Posted by: CaneRock | November 20, 2013 at 12:40 PM


Yeah, but at Temple if you tell the alumni boosters, "it's going to take me three more years to fix the defense," that's GOOD news.

VA Cane

Herbie,

I think you have some great points. first things first, the leaders the coaches have got to see that the soft stand em up stand your ground is not working. Bad bad scheme. We are engaging which I thinks weakens a D. You got to go after people with hate in your heart mate. That is the coaching part. I think coaches thought guys would come here, adjust to the competition level and do things more on a fundamentals first basis. Obviously not...we missed on some things. Players have to adjust to do what hey are told....weather you are in a soft kiss me Kate I love you scheme or a in your face kick your AZZ all day attack 46, you got to tackle people. I thing the problem is mutual....but ultimately I feel that these kids would play better....with a lot of coaching...I'm packing and coming down to take over LOL....if we got to a more dynamic active aggressive scheme.

How many good teams are playing D like us? Soft passive....I have not seen too many that are good. I hate it and I lay that problem on D'no.....but even more on AG. He has to know it is flawed....damn man the website aint working!!!!!!!!!!! Another inkling I have is this: Mike Barrow never played in a scheme like this.....where is his voice...or is he afraid of the TIE? I would think he would be howling by now....and he should.....you hear me raising hell....and many others....

If I came down for a visit, or see a practice....don't think I would be quiet very long...they'd throw me out...but they would hear my opinion all the way to the top.

Ohio_Cane

Ohio..I like what you said before about Dorsett..no need to rush him back. Save him for a bowl game.

Posted by: UMike | November 20, 2013 at 12:40 PM
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I don't believe I said that on here, but I do agree with it. It's not as if we're fighting for an ACCCG any more.

UMike

Ohio..you said something very close to it before..something about not rushing him back and to either save him for next year or a bowl game

Ohio_Cane

UMike, I say a lot of stuff, it's possible I just don't remember. Like I said, I agree with it, so I could've said that. LOL!

BEERicane

No matter how bad these recent weeks have been for canes fans, just remember we could be Gator fans. They have to face one of the biggest skids in recent memory, going from 11-1 and BCS #3 to getting smoked by a Miami-HS team in Louisville to finishing this year with a losing season. Now, that is truly embarrassing.

So in the end, this year will be a season to remember to remind the Turd fans how much they suck.

BEERicane

Remember when we won the Coastal Division? Yeah, that was last year.

CaneRock

In any event, Duke is a Power-Wing/Single-Wing team, ala KSU. So schematically, we should've shifted the front 7 to the side that #89 from Duke was lined up on. Even though #89 wasn't on the line, He was basically their defacto TE...IOWs, Duke was lined up in an UNbalanced line on those run plays. Ooooor, treat the right or left Guards, as the CENTER...and TAKE IT FROM THERE!

Like I said the other day..."If you defende everywhere, then you defend NOWHERE!" If Duke would've got the majority of their TDs on passing plays, WE WOULD'VE WON!

PICK YA' POISON!

UMike

And we didn even "win" it last year lol

BEERicane

We won by default. The sweetest word in the English language for a flailing program!

CaneRock

Another inkling I have is this: Mike Barrow never played in a scheme like this.....where is his voice...or is he afraid of the TIE? I would think he would be howling by now....and he should.....you hear me raising hell....and many others....

Posted by: VA Cane | November 20, 2013 at 12:45 PM

YUP!, I was wondering the SAME THING!

Canesteeler

Soup hit be up with some inside info because I know shit is being stirred up in Coral Gables.

UMike

Only thing going on in Coral Gables is excuses and throwing players under the bus lol

herbieibis

Bump Barrow too, His LB's suk as well. He might not like the system in place what's that got to do with that hapless bunch making plays and tackling. We have no leaders on that defense, no body to match their intensity, nobody that leads by example. If we had a couple of those guys maybe everyone would follow their lead.

VA Cane

Thanks CR....it is a question that has to be asked.....hell "guys who don't know" like you and me are asking!!!!!!!!

I love your theories on learning....and I agree with you about broad base......yes they are learning a newer higher level of play.....but 2 things that concern me about that in regards to our guys....1 they should be bringing some kind of knowledge of basic theories with them from their sandlot HS experience....at least an inkling.....2 bring with them the basic sound fundamentals of the game....Thus when they go into that broad based learning.....they have some kind of skeleton the hang their learning onto.

Great post big guy!!!!!

CGNC

Excellent article!!

UMike

I swear I'm famous amongst the trolls lol

herbieibis

The Herb is going out on a limb with this pick but the crystal ball has us actually winning, 35-24, however, we still are going to cough up over 400 yds of total "O".

Ohio_Cane

Predictions:

1. Canes win 44-6.

2. Defense allows NO MORE than 300 yards of total offense.

3. Everyone still wants the whole staff fired

4. A lot of people still predict us to lose to PITT

RCCF

If dno is going to be fired.

Golden will give full support to dno during the season (as we see now). This will allow the players to stay focused and Golden not to have to do extra pampering to recruits while trying to win games.

After the season Golden will let the coaches, players, then recruits know about dno's decision to resign. But, it's okay because....

He will then slide Barrow in there and keep it moving. IMHO

^^^^^^EXACTLY^^^^^^

I say it again why is a TE running our Defense anyway....and if his BFF is the frontman then the frontman needs to GO and we need a REAL Defensive Minded Coach..

RCCF12%

UMike

You really think we will hold them to only 6? lol..Just about every team that we have played..and we played some bad ones..at one time or another have a long drive against us lol..a this point I would just be happy with a win

UpNorthCane27

VA cane, I would say Dale Earnhardt but was never a fan of his I'm a Jeff Gordon guy sorry to disappoint you with that one. I'm a Tracy Howard fan because I believe in the kid and he's unlucky that D'no doesn't let him man up and bump and run WRS...

CGNC on the past blog I wasn't tryna be a smart ass, I actually agree with you Bill sat him to let him know that's not how the Patriots do things.

mountain cane

Having sat thru the Duke game in person, how could we possible be 20 point favorites over any team in the FBS?

No matter how big a fan you are, don't you need to take UVA and the points?

UMike

UVA is horrible this year though..if there was every a team we should pound to start back winning it is UVA lol

Ohio_Cane

You really think we will hold them to only 6?

Posted by: UMike | November 20, 2013 at 02:01 PM
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Yes.

Team is pizzed and it's seniors last home game ever. They'll be ready.

mountain cane

The 2007 UVA tight end is still open. We may outscore them, but not by 20 and I think they'll score 28+.

UMike

Ohio...were they not pizzed after the FSU and VT losses? lol..I think we beat them, but I think they score more than 6..even Savannah State scored 7 on us lol..I though they "would be ready" after FSU and certainly after VT...I have this bad feeling the D players are about to give up on D'No if they havent already. All week D'No and Golden have basically said they dont have talented guys and that the problems are on the players. UVA has lost 7 straight..but they have scored over 20 in 4 of those loses...Again..we should win..I just think they score more than 6

BEERicane

Team can be pissed all they want. Doesn't change the fact we have no playmakers. If you want your O to look like world-beaters, play Miami. Last I checked, UVA is still scheduled to play us on Saturday. We give up minimum of 24.

CaneRock

All week D'No and Golden have basically said they dont have talented guys and that the problems are on the players.

Posted by: UMike | November 20, 2013 at 02:18 PM

YUP! , that line is gettin' old. And frankly, we have more talent on this team, than the one that lost to UMD in AG's 1st year...but yet, AG said "we had enough talent" to beat Maryland. Why didn't we have "enough talent" to beat VT and Duke?

LA3

FEAR..... Is powerful tool......FEAR!
The TIE and DNO have no fear...no fear of losing jobs, no fear of being exposed, no fear of throwing players under bus, no fear of alumni or fans!

UVA will score 24+!
And if they score more than 30, they beat us!

And at this point....I "almost" wish things get so bad that the TIE and DNO will have to FEAR something!
If Canes win out and end up with 9-3 record...go to bowl game.
We are screwed!

None of the guys coming in are going to SAVE them or damn system next year.
If GRACE can't play and is not reay for impact, THEN WHO DO WE HAVE LEFT TO PLAY LB in there system. Even if we get one or two MONSTER DT's the next level has to make plays!

LA3

YUP! , that line is gettin' old. And frankly, we have more talent on this team, than the one that lost to UMD in AG's 1st year...but yet, AG said "we had enough talent" to beat Maryland. Why didn't we have "enough talent" to beat VT and Duke?


Posted by: CaneRock

I AGREE.... Call me STUPID but this is starting to LOOK & SOUND a lot like Randy Shannon!!!
""Players are not doing their job. Missed play, missed tackle, blown assignment"".
And the refused to play certain players or to admitt he needed to change scheme.
Cost him his job....Sent guys to NFL.....

There is TALENT on this TEAM! They need to be turned lose. Think of USC turn around...Kiffin choked them out...reduced numbers and conservative play calling...playing to not lose/hang on until 4th quater... Then BIG O lets the Ballers BALL and turns them lose!!! 130% improvement.

When is last time we BLEW OUT a decent team!
GAME OVER in 2nd or 3rd Quarter????
Thats when you give reps to guys!!!!

The TIE & DNO should FEAR Randy & Kiffin!
Because they are doing same stupid stuff!

WWIN

Posted by: herbieibis | November 20, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Don't you know that playing on special teams gives you the experience you need to play linebacker or any position on offense and defense????? Duh

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