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December 28, 2013

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SOUP

NEW BLOG IS UP!

BEERicane

VACane, you are 100% correct. Lack of leadership is putting it nicely. Decisions do have to be made and no one should be immune. The coaches lost the respect of the players somewhere after the VT game or during the Duke debacle and didn't ever get it back.

BEERicane

Leibniz, Newton, Faraday, Fermi, Einstein, Feynman, Born, Boltzmann, Gibbs, Higgs, Tesla, Heisenberg, Planck, Maxwell, just to name a few. These People were real geniuses. VL, not so much. Genius is the third most overused word in the English language next to "like" followed by Swag(ger).

VA Cane

"Men respond to real leadership remarkably. Once you win their hearts they will follow you anywhere".
-Vince Lombardi

The man was a genius. What we need is leadership that men will believe buy into and follow. It must be genuine, from the heart and your kids have to be sold completely. I think leadership needs work AG needs to make some decisions on coaches schemes kids and not be afraid to make and stick to them. The lack of leadership showed last night. JMO

KYcane

IJS - Hah!

SOUP

Go Canes....U are entertaining if not completely delusional. LOL

Did U go to the game last night? Did U sit in the stands in over 20 seats in four sections and talk to over 30 total strangers who are football fans from UM, Louisville and EVEN FSU?

Well I did and when I tell U POLITELY what THEY said, not what I said IMHO, but what they said, U will learn to mind your manners and be a good blogger or if U want to play tough guy then U will get it this way: just STFU!

ONE WORD OF ADVICE: U DO NOT WANT TO ANTAGONIZE ME RIGHT ABOUT NOW.

IJS

Sarasota 'cane

U

SOUP

We got some light sprinkles but it did not POUR down rain in the 407 until 3 PM and we were finished by then. God loves me!

CGNC

Silly Go Canes, no one said to fire AG, there was just wishful thinking by some posters that maybe penn state would take he and D'No off our hands LOL

RARA

Soup...hang in there brotha. I know how bad you must feel. Doesn't hurt as much for me because while I was rooting for my Canes to win, I knew this outcome was a strong possibility. Didn't think the offense would struggle like this, but not totally surprised given Stephen Morris's limitations and lack of football IQ. We need changes and they need to come from Golden. First thing he has to do is change the defensive scheme and philosophy. If that doesn't happen expect the same results on defense next year. Offense may improve under Coley. D won't improve with D'No running Golden's defense.

KYcane

Nobody said that, even OGV.
Posted by: CaneRock | December 29, 2013 at 10:11 PM

He's got the 3rd point to this discussion..AG should have never been hired.

BEERicane

"I have nothing to be ashamed of."

Ending a sentence in a preposition. Of that, you should be ashamed.

Everyone and their mother knows "The U" moniker refers to the football program, not the university as a whole.

I understand you frustration, I honestly do. We just have two different approaches to this debacle that is UM football. Blind faith and acceptance of the status quo of the past 9 or so years vs continued experimentation until we discover the solution.

It's all good, Nigeian. My frustrations are in delays. At what point do the continued Golden supports demand his resignation or firing? What is the threshold? Another bowl blowout? Not making a bowl? At some point you need to have an actionable tipping point. I hit mine after that ineptitude last night.

Account Deleted

In my opinion, it's not the number of losses that gets a coach fired, its how you lose.

we were crushed by the 4 best teams we played all year, and racked up wins against some sad competition.

Even AG admitted we were totally out coached saturday night.

And that's what will get you fired in the end....

Glad you had a good day SOUP, wish the weather had been better for your golf game.

Go Canes

Appreciate your thoughts and YES, U are correct. I did forget to say "IN MY HUMBLE OPINION". I will always say IMHO from now on. Thanks for the tip!

CaneRock

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but saying coach Golden should be fired for going 9-4 and losing a bowl game leaves you devoid of any credibility.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 29, 2013 at 09:54 PM

Nobody said that, even OGV.

Ya'll see what I'm sayin', these optimists see things that DO NOT EXIST!!!

SHEESH!

roachcane77

I've heard good things about Shingle Creek… (never played it myself though). You avoided the rain? We got wet here in the 941 this morning.

hitter

u

raizecane

Soup - I played Shingle Creek a few weeks ago….great course indeed.

SOUP

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but saying coach Golden should be fired for going 9-4 and losing a bowl game leaves you devoid of any credibility.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 29, 2013 at 09:54 PM

U forgot to say "IN MY OPINION". That is just your OPINION, and U could be wrong.

SOUP

Hang in there brother.

Posted by: roachcane77 | December 29, 2013 at 09:48 PM

By a thread, my friend, by a thread.

Guess it beats hanging by a rope?

KYcane

Posted by: Go Canes | December 29, 2013 at 09:54 PM

JMO not saying fire everyone but what really sucked was the WAY we lost the bowl game.

AfriCane

Beer u should be ashamed to refer to your school as dead. U should be ashamed of some of the things that you come out with. I have nothing to be ashamed of. I have nothing but the best interest of the U @ heart. I do not speak ill of the school. This is different from criticizing coaches & schemes. Statements such as the U is dead contributes little to the dialogue & portrays u as anti U.

SOUP

So many things I COULD say, but I will not. Until tomorrow that is.

Last night me and my brother who I somehow talked into driving up from the 305 to attend the game drowned out the memory of the game at the Ale House on 17/92 in Orlando before crashing at a hotel nearby.

Never read the blog, never commented, but knew what to expect.

Today we went to play golf at 11 AM at the Shingle Creek course in South Orlando near the 528. Beautiful course, great day after the debacle last night.

Tomorrow I will weight in with my opinion.

After that who knows what will happen in Canespace?

Go Canes

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but saying coach Golden should be fired for going 9-4 and losing a bowl game leaves you devoid of any credibility.

KYcane

I do wish I was a little younger I swear I would come to FL sit AG down, and convince him he needs me on the staff. I have no doubt I could succeed coaching at UM
Posted by: VA Cane | December 29, 2013 at 09:05 PM

Based on the previous blogs analyzing the defensive improvement of various teams - most of the DC's had many many years of experience at their craft. Sounds like you have the just what we need. The plane ticket is on me.

Montreal-Cane

Ed Reed

roachcane77

SOUP… glad to see you've come back to the surface.

As you know, I have mad respect for all you've done and continue to do for our Canes.

Last night must have been doubly bad in person.

Hang in there brother.

SOUP

Just describing the level of pain our CEO was feeling after the game.

Posted by: KYcane | December 29, 2013 at 08:41 PM

U had to be there.

No, U REALLY had to be there.

CGNC

696

BEERicane

Nigeiancane,

The fact you resort to petty name calling and getting so emotional is both laughable and sad. "Evil" you know not the meaning of the word. Showing such a ludicrous lack if restraint shames me to be a part of the same network of Alumni as yourself. Please don't represent yourself and the university in such a negative manner ever again. You should be ashamed.

laquinton

They will respond on twitter. I'll ask

KYcane

all have spoken to the team.
Posted by: laquinton | December 29, 2013 at 09:25 PM

Bout time for them all to sit AG down for a chat.

laquinton

We have reached out to them. Michael irvin, Ray lewis.. ed reed.. Clinton portis all have spoken to the team. In the off season they come back to train they speak to them. Come on. It's not that.

Old Skool

Raize
I'll second that. Anytime we can hang in the future, I'm open.

raizecane

The best part of this weekend for me was hanging with some spacers friday night…….Oh and meeting Lamer Thomas…..

AfriCane

Beer, labels r bad, but I have no problem saying u r evil, negative & u relish in these 'dark ages' of canes football.
1st it's u saying 'the U is dead.' Now u r suggesting we should not hacking to our glory days with Reed's old speech? Seriously?
1st of, my school is not dead. And yes, I said 'my school.' Because I'm also an alumni, not just a fan. We r just a little down right now. Which happens to every program.
And 2nd, with reed speech, how do we not reach out to our great past if we seek inspiration for the future?

What r u anyway?

CaneRock

Laquinton, to paraphrase..."If everybody in America ran the same defense, only HALF OF EM' WOULD WIN!" IOWs, SCHEME DON'T MEAN $HIT!

Excluding those exotic blitzes, Louisville basically ran the same scheme as Miami...3-4 with 1-High Safety, BUT!, they just KICKED OUR ASSES! with THEIR! version of it.

laquinton

You got the stats canerock ? I don't believe that the off balance 3-4 fits miami. If we were to play a 4-3 man like fsu was running MIAMI system in 2011 and 2012 under who a ex miami coach in Mark Stoops. It's dumb to fire D'No when golden himself believes this crappy defense works.

CaneRock

ANYWAYS!, I just have to accept the results of this past season...it was, what it was! I'm just lookin' forward to this QB battle in the Spring & Summer. I'll say it again, LOOK OUT! for that boy Rosier!

VA Cane

I am not angry I am disappointed. However as bleak as the game was last night, I had an awesome year. I have over 20 kids playing all levels of college football, my boy at UVA Harris8 led nation in interceptions, Jason Snelling scored a TD today and we won another SB and Hopewell Bowl......my football year was HUGE.....I love UM, but I cannot let it bring me down or keep me from developing young men on the field and in life. I do wish I was a little younger I swear I would come to FL sit AG down, and convince him he needs me on the staff. I have no doubt I could succeed coaching at UM....but I will continue to develop them up here.....why Harris8 was not recruited by UM I will never know....UVA has very high standards and grad rates. Someone close to the program should tell the staff that the State of VA has some good players who will block and tackle.

AfriCane

VA cane! U r a coach. How about a schematic break down of last night's loss & where we screwed up.

CaneRock

9-4.. I'm just hoping we don't have 2010 year like under Shannon his last year. Cause that's what this is a clear reminder to me. What do you all think

Posted by: laquinton | December 29, 2013 at 08:02 PM

Tell what I think, this 9-4 year, was WORSE! than Shannon's last year! Shannon's defense was NEVER! this horrible in 2010!...NOT EVEN CLOSE!...NO COMPARISON!...NADA!...ZILCH!

CaneRock

Speaking our displeasure doesn't mean we don't love UM, but just like I would demand that my daughter does something different to avoid the same mistakes, I need to see something change from UM. Just like I wouldn't stop loving my kid if she doesn't listen, I won't stop following UM, but forget the unbridled enthusiasm if I don't see something new.

Posted by: j.w. | December 29, 2013 at 08:17 PM

YUP!

KYcane

Posted by: BEERicane | December 29, 2013 at 08:36 PM

Not living in the past with the speech. Just describing the level of pain our CEO was feeling after the game.

BigWindyCane1

The Canes are average at best and will continue to be so until there is better coaching.

SOUP

Miami defense in last 6 games: FSU (517), VT (549), Duke (543), UVA (483), Pitt (501) Louisville (554)

Posted by: raizecane | December 29, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Now THAT is gonna leave a mark.

SOUP

And finally, SOUP, YOU'RE THE MAN! Please don't forget that. And while this "Space" may seem dark and negative right now, it's STILL the greatest U BLOG in the world!

Posted by: roachcane77 | December 29, 2013 at 10:07 AM

"Help, I have fallen (to the darkside) and I can't get up."

BEERicane

Everyone lives in the past with that Ed Reed Speech (though it was GREAT), please quit making references to the 80s, 90s and the barely in the 00s. That ship has sailed. Our new dingy has sunk. We all ache to be relevant again, but conjuring up those distant memories does not make us relevant. It is akin to the ex-high school athlete who is a loser as an adult recalling his glory days. That is precisely the existence of the hurricane fans. Stop living in those glory days. They are embarrassing today given the sad state of affairs in coral gables. It is an insult to those teams, players and coaches of yesteryear.

BigWindyCane1

Football in south Florida is the best in the nation - at the high school level.

SOUP

This season was a failure. No division title, no bowl win, no 10 wins either. Complete Failure. Flat out disgusted.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | December 29, 2013 at 09:33 AM

There IT is right there.

KYcane

When Soup & I parted last night to head out.. this is the best way I can describe him. There was pain in his eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG_f1GzmwHo


orange 'n green in the vein

"Posted by: VfB_Cane | December 29, 2013 at 08:02 PM"

I can understand your point even if I don't feel the same, just got to skim and scroll if that's the way you feel. Like I said, recruiting, basketball, baseball, all on the table anytime you want to pick them up and run with them.

"Posted by: j.w. | December 29, 2013 at 08:17 PM"

Well said. I'll tell you right now, 86 called me as I was getting to my car and unprovoked asked me if I had seen anything worse than that ever in my life. He's not a happy graduate of the University of Miami today. Trust me. So he probably had one heck of a party to try and get some good time out of the crushing failure of Saturday's game to provide anything resembling such.

Or, alternatively, we could all be blogging on borrowed time and not even realize it yet . . . :(

Account Deleted

make no mistake, we were out coached big time last night.

regardless of how many freshman we get for next year or the years to come unless that fact changes we will still not win big games.

j.w.

Has soup even posted. I'm cooled off . Something has to change. Do I believe In coach golden . He looks the part. .He can talk a good game but progress is what we are basing everything off of he is somewhat at a slightly b- . Even with the ncaa at hand . Even with major recruits being swayed away. This Year Would Have Been Much Better Having Us Just Lost To The ville And Not Being Blown out . Idk. I'm taking this is as positive as possible. And trust me it's hard. If every body is getting graded. I see that the TE coach from usf is gone. RB coach is gone, wasn't a good hire anyway. All but the db coach is gone from the defensive staff. 9-4.. I'm just hoping we don't have 2010 year like under Shannon his last year. Cause that's what this is a clear reminder to me. What do you all think

Posted by: laquinton | December 29, 2013 at 08:02 PM
No, nothing from Soup, I suspect he's smarter than the rest of us and is cooling off for as long as it takes before he speaks his mind.
The results speak for themselves at some point, it's kind of like a parent who watches his kid screw up over and over again and loves her enough to let her know she isn't getting it done. That's where a lot of us are right now. Speaking our displeasure doesn't mean we don't love UM, but just like I would demand that my daughter does something different to avoid the same mistakes, I need to see something change from UM. Just like I wouldn't stop loving my kid if she doesn't listen, I won't stop following UM, but forget the unbridled enthusiasm if I don't see something new.

BEERicane

Face reality Canes fans. The U is dead and will never be back under Al a Golden. Last night was his absolute best effort of a coaching job. It had to be given the previous 2 bowl bans (and ACCCG ban) and all of the kids who had to lose out on post season opportunities because of it. Golden had to have wanted this game probably more than any other game in his career. And look what happened. He got our asses kicked. He should go for one of two reasons:
A. This was the extent of his coaching ability and it leaves pretty much everything to be desired. We shouldn't put up with that. He should be fired
Or
B. After those bowl bans he, in fact, did not prepare the team to the best of his ability and disappointed an entire fan base and embarrassed the institution as a whole with his half assed attempt this year. For this he should be fired.

One of those two must be true, but the bottom line is he should be fired. Time to hold him accountable for his failures.

j.w.

Dude- Chud asked for his meeting with the Browns to happen tonight rather than tomorrow. He's hanging on, for the next couple of hours anyway.

laquinton

Has soup even posted. I'm cooled off . Something has to change. Do I believe In coach golden . He looks the part. .He can talk a good game but progress is what we are basing everything off of he is somewhat at a slightly b- . Even with the ncaa at hand . Even with major recruits being swayed away. This Year Would Have Been Much Better Having Us Just Lost To The ville And Not Being Blown out . Idk. I'm taking this is as positive as possible. And trust me it's hard. If every body is getting graded. I see that the TE coach from usf is gone. RB coach is gone, wasn't a good hire anyway. All but the db coach is gone from the defensive staff. 9-4.. I'm just hoping we don't have 2010 year like under Shannon his last year. Cause that's what this is a clear reminder to me. What do you all think

VfB_Cane

Disagree 100%. It's the only interesting thing about this year IMO.
Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | December 29, 2013 at 07:41 PM

I'm all for it when it's a fact-based discussion. But posts like "The pessimists always say ..." and "The optimists never acknowledge ..." are boring as hell.

SinisterCane

I say fire the Equipment Manager because our player are always slippin' and fallin'

orange 'n green in the vein

Yeah, considering how many times I've read about the last Athletic bowl with the 50 degree weather over the five years since then, last night is going to be played in the blogosphere for at least three times as long.

If UM played 'horrible' that night against Wisconsin and were trying the onside kick with the momentum to steal a win with a few minutes left, last night was whatever horrible is mixed with a triple helping of Alverage Slogan.

So, instant death, basically. Unless you like your rousing games of post game loss presser BINGO more than seeing Miami play football at a championship level or even a competent one.

raizecane

Can we start a new blog

Posted by: Sebas13 | December 29, 2013 at 07:44 PM

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But i like the pic of the lovely ladies on this one…...

KYcane

Posted by: Sebas13 | December 29, 2013 at 07:44 PM

Doubt it would change the subject we've been on

The Dude

Posted by: dj moonbat | December 29, 2013 at 07:47 PM

Even better. LOL!

The Dude

We can title the blog "5 Nice Things About Al Golden That Penn State Should Consider When Making Their Next Hire." I know the title is lengthy. Its a work in progress.

dj moonbat

Can we start a new blog

Posted by: Sebas13 | December 29, 2013 at 07:44 PM

No.

The Dude

Posted by: Sebas13 | December 29, 2013 at 07:44 PM

Write up an article, send it to SOUP. I'm sure he'd appreciate it right about now.

Sebas13

Can we start a new blog

orange 'n green in the vein

"At least the "Negative Nancies" are diverse in their critique.

Posted by: CaneRock | December 29, 2013 at 07:02 PM"

Well to be fair, they're playing with an uneven field tilted in their favor, since the staff always leaves open sooooo very many valid avenues of critique each year.

On the other hand, nobody is forcing the apologists to continue with their line of reasoning either so it's a made their own bed.

"Posted by: VfB_Cane | December 29, 2013 at 07:08 PM"

Disagree 100%. It's the only interesting thing about this year IMO.

Recruiting, basketball and baseball are all on the table anytime you want to pick them up in the meantime.

VA Cane

Al will not get fired, nor will he get the TX PSU jobs.....he is a good man, but he is not qualified for either of those jobs. He will be here and like it or not we have to pull for him to do well. Not that change is bad, you know my opinion of that. I know you cannot win consistently at any level without Preparation for Situations and Execution of Fundamentals; simply put we do not do this very well regularly. JMO

Sarasota 'cane

And can we stop with the Shannon/Golden comparisons? It's like comparing horse shyt and dog shyt. They both stink.

Sarasota 'cane

The canes and Dolphins can blow me! Football in South Florida is a disgrace.

VA Cane

Preparation for Situations and Execution of Fundamentals. A good coach knows and continually learns countless situations and prepares his players for them by teaching the execution of the fundamentals the situation requires at the time. I just do not see where we are doing that; Hey all I know it has been highly successful for me for as long as I can remember. We must take an approach that results in winning; this plan does that. JMO

The Dude

And Miami won't buy him out.

The Dude

My guess is Golden makes no changes. Has a 7 or 8 win season next year and the year after. Miami doesn't care. D'Onofrio isn't going anywhere. Get used to 500 yards of offense folks. Golden doesn't care about winning. He cares about himself and his BFF.

dj moonbat

In the last two seasons, Al Golden's Canes are 1-5 against ranked teams, outscored 82-219 in those games.

Posted by: Montreal-Cane | December 29, 2013 at 07:08 PM


And the ranked opponent we beat went on to go 4-8.

VfB_Cane

There we go again.

This blog hits its most boring depths when the discussion becomes a power struggle between the "optimists" and the "pessimists".

Montreal-Cane

In the last two seasons, Al Golden's Canes are 1-5 against ranked teams, outscored 82-219 in those games.

CaneRock

The "optimistic" crowd is a trip, they always have the same MO.

1. They see things that don't exist, ie, ACCUSING! most on this blog of calling for AG's firing...NOT TRUE!...FALSE!

2. They always bring up some FAAAAAAR-AWAY! recruit, ie, Torrance Gibson, C/O 2015!

At least the "Negative Nancies" are diverse in their critique.

BigWindyCane1

Last night showed me on so many levels that the Canes were poorly coached.

Golden can recruit tons of 5 star players, but as USC found out with Kiffen, you need someone who can coach the talented players or the team will eventually loose to good teams.

Chud or Orgeron could help a lot.

dj moonbat

I don't see how Golden could get hired by P'SU or Texas after last night. Anybody who's seen a season or two of football can see that Miami was outcoached in that game.

orange 'n green in the vein

If the administration and athletic department were serious about winning Q? He'd be on the phone right now talking broad outlines of a deal/compensation.

Considering the PSU situation and Texas being open and the dominoes that will ensue from there, Blake should be on the phone already just in case, if he was competent at his job.

I don't know that's the case.

dj moonbat

Rob Chud Is getting fired in Cleaveland. Think miami can get him back

Posted by: laquinton | December 29, 2013 at 06:39 PM


No.

Unless Golden gets hired away by some other, boneheaded school. UM is not going to fire Al to hire Chud -- as much as we might wish it to be.

laquinton

Rob Chud Is getting fired in Cleaveland. Think miami can get him back

Go Canes

Who's asking anyone to accept anything?

No worries, think what you wish.

dj moonbat

Georgia lost three heartbreakers. Do you really think the UGA blogs aren't full of fans like the ones here screaming for Richt's head?

Posted by: Go Canes | December 29, 2013 at 06:29 PM


Why should I care?

Four losses is bad. Four blowouts is worse. Blown out by Duke is muy, muy malo. Just not acceptable, and you should be ashamed of your efforts to get the rest of us to accept it.

Go Canes

What's your point dj?

Georgia lost three heartbreakers. Do you really think the UGA blogs aren't full of fans like the ones here screaming for Richt's head?

Go Canes

Safid Deen ‏@Safid_Deen 2m
Plantation American Heritage QB Torrance Gibson announced a top 4 of Miami, Ohio State, Notre Dame and LSU today. He's UM's to lose IMO.

orange 'n green in the vein

Posted by: 2002nemo | December 29, 2013 at 06:17 PM

Shortlist 2007, OU game.

Give Chud all of the monies. Give them to him now and say adios to Alverage Slogan. You can do this Blake James, you have the power to show you aren't just some over promoted ticket manager because nobody else would take the job on the cheap like you would! You can get me to go to games next year and spend my entertainment dollars on the football team still instead of withholding those funds to spend elsewhere more judiciously.

The Dude

I love K.C.'s enthusiasm, but when he gets here he'll realize Al and staff will suck all that out of him. Last year doesn't matter. Only focus on now. Brick by brick.

2002nemo

WHAT'S THE RECORD FOR THE MOST NEGATIVE POSTS FROM DISGRUNTLED HURRICANE FANS ON A SINGLE CANESPACE BLOG?

The Dude

ESPN is saying he's fired j.w.

j.w.

SO, the next day the stench still lingers. Going to be a long offseason.

j.w.

Not yet, Dude. I think Cleveland will fire him because their owner is as stupid as Ross, but he is still employed right now.

The Dude

Fire Coley, hire Chud for crazy money, Chud brings in Dorsey as QB coach.

The Dude

Chud officially fired.

Montreal-Cane

5 Star UM Committ KC McDermott on loss to Louisville last night, "Were going to beat the fuck out of Louisville next year."

CoCane

I feel sad for the cane fans that think Golden, No'D & Coley will win a conference or national title at the "U". It suck not to be able to see the heartbreak before it comes. Even though it's huge & coming directly at you. Blind hope is so tragic. Smh...

Your unflinching loyalty deserves better.

WWIN

He worked at Ole Miss under Orgeron, so somebody did.

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | December 29, 2013 at 05:17 PM

I meant at a good school

mi@mic@ne

You saw how Auburn gashed the Tide who plays that soft d. The way to be the Auburn option is to get penetration. Its basic stuff.

dj moonbat

Just offering some perspective.


Posted by: Go Canes | December 29, 2013 at 05:39 PM


Here's some perspective: All four of MIami's losses were by 18 points or more. One of those losses was to Duke.

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