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January 27, 2014

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LB

Somebody for the love of God put Elder at tailback.

LB

"And Al Golden can't have it both ways either. He can't say that I'm worried about the depth at WR, and say that we need a big time RB when He was trying to get Collins...and then turn around and throw Coley under the bus, when Duke & Dorsett got hurt."

Interesting.

Our WR depth is fine. Between Coley, Dorsett, Scott, Waters, Lewis, and Berrios... I'm sure there are at least four starters there.

RB's? Duke is the best in the country when healthy. I'm a fan of Gus, but another year or two in Camp Swasey is in order. Dallas Crawford is more than capable enough to start vs. the mid-line ACC opponents (Ga. Tech/UNC/BC). Hopefully Yearby can be productive enough in offseason to compete.

QB? Loving it. I can't remember a time when we had a solid competition. If what you guys are telling me is correct, there will be three legit contenders (Ryan Williams!, Olsen, and Brad Kaaya). Let them fight it out.

TE? Not a fan of the lack of production. There has to be a 50 catch guy in there to make the offense pop. Walford is athletic as hell, but streaky. I'd love for Sandland to push him out, or push him to make him steady. Plus side: Williams has the best ball placement of a QB since Berlin.

OL? Don't blame the offensive line for QB woes, as they had plenty of time. I hate losing Linder, but two EE's will offset the loss.

CaneRock

Go Canes, you're either disingenuous...confused...or you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

You also said this...

VT had to gain a total of 120 yds on offense to get 4 touchdowns.

Posted by: Go Canes | January 27, 2014 at 01:52 PM

How can you blame the offense for THAT! You do realize that we had 3 STs miscues, that led to a short field for VT...DON'T YOU?!


86Cane

The Associated Press ‏@AP 23m
It's so cold that:
- Chicago closes its schools
- Indiana restricts traffic
- Michigan deals with multiple crashes

IT'S ABOUT 70 IN WINTER HAVEN AND 80 IN MIAMI.

Dude on a Pale Horse

Maybe the defense can't stop the same plays over and over and over again because the NCAA cloud was so thick they couldn't see the formations?

UpNorthCane27

Treon Harris to THE U!!!!

Go Canes

I can have it both ways becaus both ways is correct.

We need improvement on both sides of the ball, not just on defense. And while the defense was our worst offender, offensive inconsistency added to their problems.

This team has holes to fill everywhere. You can't operate at 74 scholarships and expect to field a complete team. Period.

This class is a big step towards our rebuilding. It has big time help in our biggest areas of need and adds depth to some positions where we continue to be thin.

CaneRock

Just pointing out that while our D did very poorly at times last season, they were often hurt tremendously by poor execution by the offense.

Posted by: Go Canes | January 27, 2014 at 01:52 PM

"Maybe some of us understand, not accept, the reasons behind the problems and are glad to see our staff brining in major talent this season to start changing it."

Posted by: Go Canes | January 27, 2014 at 01:55 PM

There you go again, trying to have it both ways. You can't say that we executed poorly, and then turn around and say the incoming talent will fix things.

Which one is it...Coley?...or the talent that WE DID HAVE (Dorsett & Johnson), that got injured?

I say it was the talent, some guys just "execute" better than others.

And Al Golden can't have it both ways either. He can't say that I'm worried about the depth at WR, and say that we need a big time RB when He was trying to get Collins...and then turn around and throw Coley under the bus, when Duke & Dorsett got hurt.

Go Canes

Anthony Chiang‏@Anthony_Chiang28 mins
#Canes HC Al Golden visited Dwyer and asked about 2015 QB Daniel Parr, 2015 WR Tavares Martin, 2015 DB Jarius Adam, 2016 RB Cornelius Smith.

Go Canes


Some of us have learned to accept the mediocrity, please don't rock the boat and upset us. #itsallabouttheuofpennstateofmiam

Posted by: The Dude | January 27, 2014 at 01:21 PM

Another line from the cliche hall of fame.

Maybe some of us understand, not accept, the reasons behind the problems and are glad to see our staff brining in major talent this season to start changing it.

Go Canes


Yeah we all agree that is not winning football. But what's your point?

Posted by: 86Cane | January 27, 2014 at 01:18 PM


Just pointing out that while our D did very poorly at times last season, they were often hurt tremendously by poor execution by the offense. VT had to gain a total of 120 yds on offense to get 4 touchdowns.

Dude on a Pale Horse

It surprises me that Kadji hadn't made the bench of an NBA team.

Ohio_Cane

Kenny Kadji signed with Rio Grande (NBA D-League)

86Cane

I would say that is early enough haha

Posted by: UMike | January 27, 2014 at 12:38 PM

I told Al what U said about the whole "foot in the door" appraoch and apparently he is listening? LOL

UMike

ESPN says our D improved in 2013

Making the case for Perryman: The junior from Coral Gables, Fla. was the cornerstone of a much-improved Miami defense in 2013, landing on numerous first-team All-ACC lists. Perryman led the Hurricanes with 108 tackles (good for fifth in the ACC) and had six different games in which he recorded at least 10 tackles.

Posted by: 30CINCO | January 27, 2014 at 01:08 PM

They must of wrote that before we actually started playing decent teams lol.. to say the D was "much improved" showed they didnt actually watch lol

86Cane

I know the defense was not good all year. But the offense did leave them hanging out to dry in every big game.

Posted by: Go Canes | January 27, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Finally, I think this is a statement that we ALL can agree on?

Dude on a Pale Horse

djmb,

Some of us have learned to accept the mediocrity, please don't rock the boat and upset us. #itsallabouttheuofpennstateofmiam

86Cane

Sure, and if the offense is still like this in year 3 of Coley's tenure, I feel confident predicting that all of us will be calling for HIS head, too.

Posted by: dj moonbat | January 27, 2014 at 12:47 PM

There IT is right there.

86Cane

Ohio.. I still think it is an "A" class without any of the guys you mentioned. At the Very least a "B+". Grabbing either TV, Jackson or Harris will be an "A++". We hit South Florida hard, we got DL help and maybe the best OL class in the nation. If it isnt an "A", it is only because we didnt bring in another RB which I think we need.

Posted by: UMike | January 27, 2014 at 12:34 PM

OMG...UMike and I agree 100% on this!

I hear soft jazz and see candlelight in our future...

Ohio_Cane

As of right now, here's the visitor list for the last weekend of this recruiting cycle:

January 31st

Treon Harris - ATH FSU commit
Travonte Valentine - DT Undecided
Patrick Porter - CB Wash St commit
Brayden Lenius - WR Undecided
Kameron McKnight - RB/ ATH Undecided
Lamont Gaillard - DT UGA commit

86Cane

VT had scoring drives of 51, 54 and 17 yds. They had an 80 yd fumble return for a TD.

Eight of our 11 drives were six plays or less, including 6 that were three and outs.

Posted by: Go Canes | January 27, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Yeah we all agree that is not winning football. But what's your point?

dj moonbat

ESPN says our D improved in 2013

Making the case for Perryman: The junior from Coral Gables, Fla. was the cornerstone of a much-improved Miami defense in 2013. . .

Posted by: 30CINCO | January 27, 2014 at 01:08 PM


Sure. Improved to 89th in total D, and 65th in scoring D. Before the year 2011, would ANY of us have thought of those as anything other than horrible rankings for a Miami defense?

Ohio_Cane

Wells Dusenbury ‏@DuseReport1063 23s

#Canes HC Al Golden was at Dwyer today. Asked about '15 QB Daniel Parr, '15 WR Tavares Martin, '15 DB Jarius Adams & '16 RB Cornelius Smith.

30CINCO

ESPN says our D improved in 2013

Making the case for Perryman: The junior from Coral Gables, Fla. was the cornerstone of a much-improved Miami defense in 2013, landing on numerous first-team All-ACC lists. Perryman led the Hurricanes with 108 tackles (good for fifth in the ACC) and had six different games in which he recorded at least 10 tackles.

Ohio_Cane

Perryman is #21 in ESPN's top 25 players for 2013:

http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/66414/2013-top-25-player-countdown-no-21-2

UMike

Golden met with Dwyer 2015 QB Daniel Parr today...

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Daniel-Parr-157221

UMike

Miami offered 2015 4-Star DB Garrett Taylor from VA today...

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Garrett-Taylor-145497

Dude on a Pale Horse

djmb brings the truth again.

dj moonbat

But the offense did leave them hanging out to dry in every big game.

Posted by: Go Canes | January 27, 2014 at 12:16 PM


Sure, and if the offense is still like this in year 3 of Coley's tenure, I feel confident predicting that all of us will be calling for HIS head, too.

Dude on a Pale Horse

O_C,

We need to flip Rob Ryan.

Keoki

MY BAD, wrong pasted comment

If we lose TV, but flip Gaillard and JC Jackson and pick up Tavon Ross, is this class an "A"?

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | January 27, 2014 at 12:14 PM

HELLS YEAH OHIO!

F' the Turds & $EC!

Ohio_Cane

^^^ I would say that is early enough haha

Posted by: UMike | January 27, 2014 at 12:38 PM
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I was JUST ABOUT to ask! LOL

UMike

Richards other is from WVU

UMike

^^^ I would say that is early enough haha

UMike

Miami offered 2016 ATH Ahmon Richards from Wellington... I guess that is why Golden was visiting this morning lol

Keoki

Against Louisville we had 11 posessions of which eight were 5 or less plays, six resulted in punts, two ended up with turnovers on downs.

Posted by: Go Canes | January 27, 2014 at 12:15 PM

HELLS YEAH OHIO!

F' the Turds & $EC!

UMike

Ohio.. I still think it is an "A" class without any of the guys you mentioned. At the Very least a "B+". Grabbing either TV, Jackson or Harris will be an "A++". We hit South Florida hard, we got DL help and maybe the best OL class in the nation. If it isnt an "A", it is only because we didnt bring in another RB which I think we need.

Go Canes.. all of those facts are nice, but do you have the number of times we couldnt stop the SAME play against VT, especially yon 3rd down? lol

Meast

This may come of as whining or snobby on my part, but does anybody have that one guy that tries too hard to show you they know recruiting about the Canes? It's really annoying. I've been at my job for 3.5 years and about 2 months ago, my boss "suddenly" loves everything about recruiting. He is the biggest Dolphins fan and likes the Canes but doesn't following recruiting for anything. It's just recently he tries to converse about me because he just found out about Canes Insight and uses the 5 clicks before you exceed the limit. Idk, I guess its just annoying how somebody doesn't know much but tries to tell you everything about recruiting as if they've been doing it for years.

Canesteeler

Close strong AG! Bringing Ice Harris back to the U makes sense.

Go Canes

Before I get called an apologist, I know the defense was not good all year.

But the offense did leave them hanging out to dry in every big game.

Go Canes

Against Louisville we had 11 posessions of which eight were 5 or less plays, six resulted in punts, two ended up with turnovers on downs.

Ohio_Cane

New question:

If we lose TV, but flip Gaillard and JC Jackson and pick up Tavon Ross, is this class an "A"?

Go Canes

Last five posessions against Duke resulted in four drives of 5 or less plays, three straight punts then two turnovers on downs.

Go Canes

VT had scoring drives of 51, 54 and 17 yds. They had an 80 yd fumble return for a TD.

Eight of our 11 drives were six plays or less, including 6 that were three and outs.

UMike

Al Golden in the 561 visiting Wellington High

herbieibis

How many times did our defense force a three and out last year? I have no clue but I know it wasn't many. If we take care of our depth issues, then losing a player here and there doesn't hurt as much. I can't see Duke being the same player he was for a while. Look at Lewis, he wasn't the same player, this year. Dukes injury was nasty and maybe Coley thinks twice trying to run an 185 Lb back in between the tackles on a third and 2 or 4Th down, whatever it was, especially when you have a roadgrader at FB.

86Cane

I just dont know if it would of gave us another win since the score was so lopsided.

Posted by: UMike | January 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM

This is true, we will NEVER know.

86Cane

We aren't nearly deep enough or talented enough to be on the field all game against anyone.

Posted by: Go Canes | January 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM

There IT is right there.

86Cane

CSM...U are right again. And that is not an attempt to defend the D, they earned their criticism, but at the same time the offense often did NOTHING to help the D. Both depend on each other and when one side is weaker the other side of the ball has to operate to protect them.

We did not do that and the question now is: Was that on QB Morris or was that on OC Coley? This year will tell now won't it?

UMike

I agree the O didnt do the D no favors.. I get that. But we were blown out, and to mediocre offensive teams (besides FSU). In the VT game, the SP turnovers hurt, but those happened early. Through the whole game we could not stop the underneath routes on 3rd downs. Our D couldnt get off the field. Against Duke, we started explosive and had the lead, until our D showed up.

I 100% agree having Duke and PD4 would have helped, and of the O could have stayed on the field more it would have helped, I just dont know if it would of gave us another win since the score was so lopsided.

Go Canes

"These aren’t huge numbers. On average, a team got 13 possessions in a given game

I would LOVE to see how many posessions teams like Virginia, Duke and Virginia Tech got against us.

And you are 100% Canesaw. Despite the offense giving Bridgewater nothing but great field posession we held them to field goals for most of the fist half.

We aren't nearly deep enough or talented enough to be on the field all game against anyone.

86Cane

CSM...U are 100% correct. FSU fans I know VERY well wanted Fisher gone from FSU before this past season. And I mean GONE!

CaneSawMassacre

86.. it turns out the best defense is a good offense..

Who woulda thunk?

86Cane

As usual it is not one thing or the other it is my favorite answer: ALL OF THE ABOVE!

1. We lose Duke and Dorsett and our explosive, big plays.
2. Our QB was NOT efficient and losing Duke hurt our running game efficiency on 1st and 2nd down. We could not stay on the field on offense which killed the defense.
3. Our defense simply could not get of the field on third down. Forget the pick 6 or a sack for 15 just get the defense OFF OF THE DAMN FIELD I yelled as loud as I could many, many times last year!

CaneSawMassacre

FYI I dare anybody to go back and read boards about Jimbo ( the dumbo) Fisher. From FSU fans a few years ago..

You think we are scathing...?

And this guy now has a national championship

Go Canes

Don't ever say offensive ineptness made the defense look worse than it really was on here.

Ever.

And I mean ever.

You'll get "We lost to Duke!!!" rained all over you!

CaneSawMassacre

If you give Ryan Leaf 15 tries to dissect your offense even he isn't stupid enough to fail, all hopped up on pain killers at 45...

CaneSawMassacre

umike- always the skeptic.

We win the VT game alone without those three terrible special team plays..

I think you underestimate how important a decent O is to a good D.

We were awful on 3rd downs all year. And I'm pretty sure we have one of the worst average times per scoring drive in all of the NCAA.

If you don't understand D.. You're simple..

And I say that full well, speaking with Soup and knowing that you can't play 10 yards off a receiver and put no pressure on the QB..

But people forget, we had Teddy bottled up and doing nothing for most of the first half.. Yet our offense suffocated the defense.

UpNorthCane27

Efficiency is the biggest thing there for me... Duke or no Duke our QB was not efficient at all. We have athletes that can outmatch a teams 3rd and 4th CB's but Morris managed to just zero in on his 1st read only.

LB

I feel a little better about a #2 tailback this year than last. Los Pollos Hermanos will be a sophomore, Dallas will have enough experience, and Yearby should be an upgrade from Clements.

But we gave up 31 to Pittsburgh.

UMike

Another thing started happening when we started losing... the D started giving up 40 or more points to mediocre teams lol.. I think having Duke back especially would of helped, but I dont think we win any of those 3 we lost in the reg season. Those were on the D mostly and the O to a degree.

30CINCO

86 - a lot of good info there.

After losing Duke and Dorsett, 2 of the top playmakers, we started losing, not a coincidence according to the article. Especially what they consider the most important factor: big plays

"Big plays are probably the single most important factor to winning football games. The team more adept at creating numbers advantages and getting a guy into the open field, or the team that can simply outman its opponent and win one-on-one battles will almost certainly generate more big plays and win more games. And as pointed out in my Four Truths column, big plays also allow you to avoid killing yourself."

86Cane

"But over time, I've come to realize that the sport comes down to five basic things, four of which you can mostly control. You make more big plays than your opponent, you stay on schedule, you tilt the field, you finish drives, and you fall on the ball. Explosiveness, efficiency, field position, finishing drives, and turnovers are the five factors to winning football games."

UMike

CSM, I understand and agree with that. And I dont mean we should offer ever 2 or 3 Star guy just because, but we should be first in on the players considered elite. Then it cant be used against us lol

86Cane

"These aren’t huge numbers. On average, a team got 13 possessions in a given game; the total difference between an average start of 26.0 and an average start of 34.0 is just 104 yards (13 possessions times 8.0 yards). One turnover could mean a difference of about 40 yards. One field-flipping punt that bounces past the punt returner and rolls a while could mean 25 yards. One huge stop on a kick return could mean 15 yards. A sack on third-and-long, instead of a short completion, could mean 15 yards. A third-down conversion that simply extends a drive from three-and-out to six-and-out could mean 10 yards. And just like that, you’re at 105 yards, and you’ve gone from likely loss to likely win."

86Cane

CINCO...now that is a GREAT article. Very interesting and informative. Now I have more work to do to see where UM ranks in those categories. LOL

30CINCO

Good read: The five factors: College football's most important stats

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/1/24/5337968/college-football-five-factors

LB

"Duke was soo close this year, playing only 7 1/2 games, had 920 rushing yards."

The silver lining is that multiple folks from this site have told me that it is extremely reasonable to expect a fully healthy Duke Johnson in 2014. Pain may be an issue, though.

CaneSawMassacre

UMIKE I get the idea. The problem is.. We all know South Florida is a hot bed. We also know, the primadonna culture created.

You start offering too many kids you don't want and pushing them out before NSD..

You create a serious rift..

We don't have that type of clout right now. You have to be winning things before you do that. ala... Alabama, FSU, Auburn.

30CINCO

If the newer brothers pan out like the older ones, they'll be paving the way for 1,000 rushers in no time.

Posted by: LB | January 27, 2014 at 10:59 AM
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Duke was soo close this year, playing only 7 1/2 games, had 920 rushing yards.

CaneRock

UMike, hows about THIS!...Ice Harris can be the HC against FSU,Louisville,Duke, & VT...and Al Golden can coach the rest? LMAO!

LB

If the newer brothers pan out like the older ones, they'll be paving the way for 1,000 rushers in no time.

UMike

Also, I dont think a kid should commit just because a school offered early. I just like the idea of the offer if only for the appearance you are after the South Florida kids. I think that is why you see so many de-commits every year, they choose to early.

30CINCO

Nice Miami Herald write-up on the Linder's & McDermott's

University of Miami O-line is a band of brothers

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/01/2...#storylink=cpy

UMike

CSM... every year we get a kid who commits that we dont really want lol... Dennis Turner is this years example. You can always push a lesser talented guy out if needed, it happens all the time at every school, just part of recruiting.

But the staff is starting of right with the 2015 class, they got all the elite guys offered and threw out a ton of offers yesterday.

CaneSawMassacre

Umike...Then we have a situation where a kid is committed that we never wanted.

Be smart and let the process play out..

If the kid chooses a school just because they offered early, in the end he will learn and come to regret his choice.

And this should be the run down whomever the coach is.. You don't just offer because other schools are.

UMike

I know Ohio lol.. but I do think that is how i should work.. the local school offers early, and the out of State schools follow, not the opposite lol

UMike

UM Baseball #16 ins Baseball America Preseason Poll

Ohio_Cane

Now dont go starting.. Ive been positive all morning lol... BUT... that is early for an out of State school to offer lol

Posted by: UMike | January 27, 2014 at 10:16 AM
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Lol, relax. I'm not starting anything. Just joking around

Terrance Sullivan

Great blogging fellas. Happy Manic Monday peeps. I will be glad when signing day is here we see who all signed with us check out their bio info and film tape and how they will be incorporated into the 2014 Canes team and so forth and so on, I am eagerly anticipated the Canes Four Play in 3 weeks in Miami. Go Canes!

Go Canes

@CoachColey: It's TIME, this is MIAMI!! #StormTroopers #My-ami

UMike

Ken Dorsey was one of the Pro Bowl coaches

UMike

Why Bama offering so LATE, UMike??

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | January 27, 2014 at 09:43 AM

Now dont go starting.. Ive been positive all morning lol... BUT... that is early for an out of State school to offer lol

Ohio_Cane

Canes baseball #16 by Baseball America:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/virginia-tops-bas-preseason-top-25/

LB

"Well there is that and having the WVU admission requirements of:

1. Is he breathing?

2. Can he spell "touchdown".

3. Can he sign an "X" on a LOI?"

If he's got ties to the coal/chemical companies, he'll have a free mansion.

CaneRock

Ice for "quality control"? For which side of the ball?...offense I'm assuming. Nevertheless, getting Ice back is a smart move, the guy knows His Xs & Os, and like UMike said, He's the Dean Of Coaches in Dade.

86Cane

there's talk of Ice Harris joining Golden's staff as some form of "quality control". Needless to say, this would go a LONG way in landing Treon Harris. Lol

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | January 27, 2014 at 09:37 AM

Not just Treon, but South Florida/Miami kids. Ice is well respected and trusted in those areas.

Posted by: UMike | January 27, 2014 at 09:38 AM

YUP

Ohio_Cane

Why Bama offering so LATE, UMike??

UMike

2015 DE Jason Strowbridge from Deerfield BEach who the Canes offered a month or so ago got offered by Bama.

UMike

Safid Deen saying Coleys Tweet was answering back at Brewster's 305 Tweet.... interesting

UMike

Fisher & Brewster coming to Miami or some visits today it looks like

UMike

Not just Treon, but South Florida/Miami kids. Ice is well respected and trusted in those areas.

Ohio_Cane

Don't know if it's been posted here, but there's talk of Ice Harris joining Golden's staff as some form of "quality control". Needless to say, this would go a LONG way in landing Treon Harris. Lol

Ohio_Cane

U know what's funny, we talked about Scarbrough here months ago. Not that he was coming to UM or anything, but that he was giving us a real look.

It's interesting to read that this staff has been on him "hard" and "quietly". I wonder why the hush hush?

If this kid goes through with his visit this weekend, we're in it. Wow, what a pull this would be.

UpNorthCane27

Having Kevin Beard as the OC for the south Florida express has to help out the Canes one way or another.

86Cane

his former coach is now at WVU which explains the recent commitments from Miramar to WVU, including Miami target and 4-Star DB Kendrell McFadden

Posted by: UMike | January 27, 2014 at 09:19 AM

Well there is that and having the WVU admission requirements of:

1. Is he breathing?

2. Can he spell "touchdown".

3. Can he sign an "X" on a LOI?

Ohio_Cane

Whyche is qualified, the only thing he's waiting on is an appeal to be an EE or not. ACC rules say U have to be at a junior college for 3 semesters to get into an ACC school. He's been at his JUCO for 2 semesters. He's in in May regardless.

Ohio_Cane

CaneRock, why doesn't he have to sit out? How did those strings get pulled?

Posted by: CaneSawMassacre | January 27, 2014 at 08:39 AM

CSM...I'm assuming He graduated.

Posted by: CaneRock | January 27, 2014 at 08:42 AM
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This. Coker graduated so no rule he has to sit out.

86Cane

"Miami is my dream school"

Posted by: SinisterCane | January 27, 2014 at 08:50 AM

"Canespace is my dream blog"

UMike

James Coley getting fired up lol

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