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February 01, 2014

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WWIN

Bang Bang!

Dude on a Pale Horse

McGahee!

j.w.

Tres!

SOUP

ME SO TIRED.

Back from Sarasota tonioght after three days of non-stop work.

More to follow tomorrow...

SOUP

CaneRock...I unblocked U after 24 hours for your "Drummond" comment so U can post again.

If you have troubles contact UMike at:

mmarch024@yahoo.com

Or me at:

canespace86@aol.com

We will restore your posting ability.

YooperCane

Good morning spacers!
TV may just be the biggest surprise yet :)

al

Very nice article.. Interesting and eye-opening.

NY Trooper

Good morning Yooper, I hope so. Any inside info on that?

canezilla

GREAT ARTICLE!!! I WOULD ALWAYS TAKE A 3 STAR DADE, BROWARD, PALMBEACH KID OVER A 5 STAR ANYWHERE ELSE.

CGNC

LOL did Canerock get a time out?

Nice article. Interesting to see is that they go through 2011 - which gives the player time to develop for a couple of years and then see how they have panned out after being at their school for a couple of years

Ohio_Cane

CaneRock got a 24 hour timeout? Lol, I must've missed that.

dj moonbat

Although the rate of five-star success is lower than one might predict, in any filtering system, elite prospects are going to get filtered out. I know of one Ivy League law school graduate (not me, fortunately) who failed the CA bar exam at least 3 times.

But how does the washout rate for 5-stars compare to the washout rate for 4-stars?

If it were about the same, we would know that the recruiting services really don't know that much about what separates elite players from very good ones.

If 5-stars actually washed out less than 4-stars, we would know that football just has an incredibly high rate of attrition, and that "can't miss" actually means "will miss three quarters of the time, but that's still better than most."

If 4-stars actually have a LOWER washout rate, we not only know that the recruiting services can't spot "can't miss" elite talent; we know that a five-star rating is negatively correlated with college success.

dj moonbat

Oh, also I have a quibble with the methodology.

A player transferring is treated as a washout. From the point of view of the university that recruited the player, this is obviously true. But it doesn't tell us whether the player 'panned out' in terms of becoming a good player.

Take the kid we all love to hate: Bryce Brown. From Tennessee's standpoint, he was a bust. He did fine at KSU, and he's a reasonably good backup to one of the top 3 running backs in the NFL. Clearly, this is not a case of a talent that didn't go on to bigger and better things. He just didn't do them at Tennessee.

Da U N Houston

Any confirmation on who's on campus?

Ohio_Cane

Treon Harris (QB/ATH), Lamont Gaillard (DT), Lorenzo Featherston (DE, FSU commit who's looking around)

SOUP

CaneRock got a 24 hour timeout? Lol, I must've missed that.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | February 01, 2014 at 09:27 AM

It was not highly publicized but had to be done. Anyone who makes a comment in support of or defending what "street agents" like Drummond do must face repurcussions for their actions.

It is not necessary nor appropriate to be a contrarian for the sole purpose or arguing any and every point.

SOUP

Posted by: dj moonbat | February 01, 2014 at 09:31 AM

Excellent comment and certainly the necessary next step in this reasearch project.

If I did this for a living I would find out the answers to your perfectly targeted and well framed questions. Unfortunately I have a life, a wife and two full-time jobs so I will have to leave that for the paid professionals.

dj moonbat

Unfortunately I have a life, a wife and two full-time jobs so I will have to leave that for the paid professionals.

Posted by: SOUP | February 01, 2014 at 10:34 AM


Surely you can give up ONE of these prior commitments to solve The Riddle of the Five-Star Recruit? Or just do a really bad job at one of your full-time jobs for a few years...

Ohio_Cane

LOL @ dj

Canesteeler

Good article.

CaneRock

Anyone who makes a comment in support of or defending what "street agents" like Drummond do must face repurcussions for their actions.

Posted by: SOUP | February 01, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Oh yeah?

So when we say that "Al Golden is rebuilding relationships with the local HS coaches",what do you think that means, "Let's have lunch"...LMAO! OK.

"Building relationships", ain't nothin' but code word for..."SEND YOUR STUDS MY WAY!"

So in that type of relationship, who's pimpin who?

I'm through with it, have a nice day SOUP.


Ohio_Cane

CR, U live in Tallahassee?

Terrance Sullivan

Great stuff Soup!

Mannypi

Canerock ur a joke bro.... Coming on here compairing
our HC to a street snake - really.....

dj moonbat

What does "street agent" mean?

DeeCane

What does "street agent" mean?

Posted by: dj moonbat | February 01, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Street Agents are guys who hang around certain high school programs that do have some pull in the community, that get paid to help steer kids to certain schools....for example, I won't say a name but a few years back there was one particular guy who Is really knwn in south Florida, was steering kids away from Miami and sending them to NC State, Tennessee, Florida, FSU..etc, and he was getting paid to do so...its bothersome because they are polluting these young kids minds and making their decisions for them...and it continues today....

DeeCane

Mostly paid by Colleges to do so....

Ohio_Cane

What Dee said

dj moonbat

DeeCane, it sounds like the kids aren't under contract with any one agent, is that right? They're more like freelance recruiters -- working for the school -- than they are like a professional athlete's agent.

Ohio_Cane

They're exactly like drug dealers. Street agents are drug dealers (HS kids), NFL agents are pharmacists.

DeeCane

DeeCane, it sounds like the kids aren't under contract with any one agent, is that right? They're more like freelance recruiters -- working for the school -- than they are like a professional athlete's agent.

Posted by: dj moonbat | February 01, 2014 at 01:06 PM

Correct, its not the kids under contract....its the street guys that have secret pacts with certain programs, and they pay them to help get certain recruits....they usually don't get caught cause there is no paper trail to link it that's why its so big of a problem...

dj moonbat

they usually don't get caught cause there is no paper trail to link it that's why its so big of a problem...

Posted by: DeeCane | February 01, 2014 at 01:16 PM


Obviously, there's a lot of potential for shady deals. But if the street agent isn't taking money from the kids, it's not clear that there's any conflict of interest -- he doesn't represent the kid at all; he's a sales rep for the university, basically. And if the street agent TELLS the kids, "LSU, FSU, and Tennessee pay me to line up recruits for them," there isn't even a problem with failing to disclose who he's working for. (I'm sure that lots of street agents don't do this, but I'll bet that the status of some of these guys is more-or-less in the open.)

So there are certainly circumstances where the business model isn't necessarily violating any laws. It's actually not that different from a company hiring a headhunter, if the street agent tells the kid who his client is.

I assume that the NCAA must have a ban that applies -- surely they don't allow colleges to give money to the high school coach, so it wouldn't make sense to allow them to give money to street agents.

Go Canes

Did I just see a comparison between a lowlife street hustling parasite to coach capable of changing young men's lives forever by offering them a free education to a top 50 university? An education 99% of these young men would never have an opportunity to attain?

Good lord.

SOUP

Or just do a really bad job at one of your full-time jobs for a few years...

Posted by: dj moonbat | February 01, 2014 at 11:00 AM

I am afraid I may already be doing that? LOL

SOUP

I'm through with it, have a nice day SOUP.

Posted by: CaneRock | February 01, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Trust me when I tell U that NOTHING could make me happier than you going BACK to the Miami Herald blog where U came from, where U belong and where U ran to after the 24 hour ban.

Have a nice day!

SOUP

Moonbat....read these articles:

http://www.addictedtoquack.com/2011/3/3/2028702/yahoo-reports-that-oregon-paid-street-agents-athletic-department-says

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/ncaa-has-no-street-cred-over-oregon-sanctions-chip-kelly-sonny-vaccaro-nike-062613

SOUP

Here are a few more:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6179423

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2011-07-07-LSU-willie-lyles_n.htm

One of the biggest challenges going on in college recruiting is the emergence of what are called street agents. A high school coach or a so called longtime friend of the family takes on an advisory/father figure type role in helping to decide where the PSA is going to go to college.

At first glance it doesn't seem like a bad thing to have this type of advisor hanging around especially if you are a single mother trying to raise a family. The relationship usually starts early in junior high school. The street agent spots the talented PSA and develops a relationship with him and his family. Gifts such as athletic equipment, meals, travel, and event tickets are all part of the mentoring/investment in developing the PSA.

Once the recruiting process starts the agent is involved in negotiating which schools the player will go to camp at, unofficially visit, officially visit, and finally commit to. Once again at first glance it doesn't sound like a bad deal for the PSA because he is taking advice and getting support from someone who is familiar with the process, understands that it is a business, and is supposedly looking out for the welfare of the PSA.

In some cases this is all on the level, and the best interests of the PSA, and his family are protected. In many cases though the street agent gets paid every step of the way by individuals associated with the schools the PSA and the agent have interest in. Going rates at some places are rumored to be $3000 for a camp visit. $12,000 for a commitment, and $36,000 or more for the signature on letter of intent day.

Barking Carnival
Paying money for a player to go to your school isn't exactly a new practice. Just for example Hall of Famer Hugh McElhenny once remarked that he took a pay cut when he graduated from the University of Washington and entered the NFL. Bidding wars between schools for players were common back in those days. QB Bobby Cox actually left Washington to transfer to Minnesota because he simply was offered a larger financial package to play there.

SOUP

Safid Deen ‏@Safid_Deen 4m

Well, this is interesting. RT @ZachAbolverdi: JC Jackson just showed up at #UF.

CaneSawMassacre

Ohio looks like JC made it up to UF. Not good

RBLCane

Ohio looks like JC made it up to UF. Not good

Posted by: CaneSawMassacre | February 01, 2014 at 02:19 PM

Supposedly he was decked out in Gators gear too... Not good at all.

CaneSawMassacre

U

RBLCane

They're exactly like drug dealers. Street agents are drug dealers (HS kids), NFL agents are pharmacists.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | February 01, 2014 at 01:13 PM


That's a pretty extreme comparison... Drug dealers destroy lives on the regular... Street agents are middlemen maneuvering to get a cut of a deal that's probably already going to happen and more often than not doesn't hurt the kid.. That doesn't make them saints but doesn't exactly make them drug dealers either.

GO CANES!!!

trianglecane

Here we go. Smh.

Lurker

JC Jackson is old news

He reaffirmed to the Gators yesterday it was reported already YESTERDAY

SOUP

JC Jackson is old news

Posted by: Lurker | February 01, 2014 at 02:59 PM

Which is why everybody who is anybody on Twitter ALL expressed their complete surprise?

Lurker

It was all over a couple of other recruiting sites YESTERDAY. Confirmed today by the fact he shows up in full gator gear today.

UMike

Jackon was suppose to have and in home visit with Golden today, instead he is in Gainsville. Take him off the list boys.

SOUP

If it was then why is everyone from all the recruiting sites acting all surprised TODAY?

UMike

Scarbough is who reaffirmed yesterday with Bama. After a visit from Saban, he decided to not visit UM

Ohio_Cane

In good news, Whyche is BACK!!

‏@wyche11 2m
I have decided that I am going to do the rest of these classes to satisfy the ACC rule and go to the University of Miami.

Huge!!!!!

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