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March 26, 2014

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Go Canes

Good luck Jim Kelly.

Go Canes

From all Canes fans.

Terrance Sullivan

Praying for Jim Kelly

Keoki

F' the Turds!

raizecane

Nice read.....

jcane

The bottom line is that the whole union issue with NWU is far from done, regardless. There are appeals and more appeals, and this won't be decided, other than posturing, for a few years at best, imo. The question could be where all of the ncaa revenue money goes, and who pays for college football injuries after college is done, assuming a player doesn't go to the league.

More worries go to Jim Kelly. Doesn't sound good at all. Way too young, but life holds no guarantees.

SOUP

It'll be interesting to see if Northwestern follows through on its threat to disband football.

Posted by: Old Skool | March 26, 2014 at 08:31 PM

I hope they do it officially TOMORROW!

SOUP

I would LOVE to see ONE or ANY University immediately rescind ALL athletic scholarships starting today.

Or better yet ONE or ALL conferences immediately rescind ALL scholarships for ALL of their "student/athletes".

Then what would happen?

jcane

Soup:

Main question is how much revenue was agreed to in the TV rights set up with the 5 power conferences? Money trumps all.

I still say this will drag on for a number of years, and likely there will have to be some arrangement agreed upon by all before the courts ever fully sort it out.

The Heat blows a big opportunity tonight in Indiana. What did Wade do to his hammy anyway?

SOUP

Cancel ALL TV contracts.

Cancel ALL scholarships.

Start again?

SOUP

Is the HEAT is growin old/cold?

BigWindyCane1

Curt Flood was criticized in his day, and look what he has meant to the future of sports. CNW (Chicago Northwestern) football players have made history, and they will change the NCAA, whether players eventually unionize or not. The NCAA must change or it will become irrelevant.

BigWindyCane1

Cain Colter = Curt Flood

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Go Canes

That was a very mature tweet by that young man. Wish him good things.

raizecane

SOUP - gotta start putting things together for next weekend.....

Looking forward to some kayaking, camping, etc...

Lurker

VA - I really don't want to get into it with you, but your last screed there didn't make a whole lot of sense, and then you top off the silliness of it all by accusing me of being a Marxist-Leninist. Hilarious.

Just for the record, I'm far from that, in fact you won't find anyone that's more of a capitalist than me. But that's beside the point.

I am not in favor of unionization (which, as mentioned above, would be years away, if at all) nor am I in favor of disbanding the NCAA, which would lead to chaos. I am in favor of major reform of all facets of the NCAA including fairer treatment of one faction of the ultimate revenue generators, the players. The other faction of the sports revenue generators, the coaches, are already compensated at market value

VA Cane

Value in exchange is a term used in the market it is used to measure the value of a service in exchange for monetary compensation.....it would involve capitalization theories....figuring cash flow, nets, grosses, interest rate, return on equity.....to figure out what these guys are bringing in, what its worth....what they are getting via scholarship....and how they should be taxed if they are indeed employees. It is complex; its like figuring out what a huge mall is worth....you could not compare it to another mall...houses you can do that...so you go to capitalization, value in exchange....they are not perfect....but you would be amazed at how close an indicator they can be. You can do it on apartment buildings, strip malls, big malls, pawn shops,stand alone stores like Walmart....ie anything that generates income...instead of comparing a purchase of a home to 3 recent similar sales...ie the sales comparison approach....you go to capitalization...rate, interest value. It measures value of something by $ generated.....with a lot of other costs and risks factored in. I do this stuff, and understand it pretty good. I was trying to suggest a fair honest approach to what they bring in, what expenses and compensation should could be....show the powers that be the real facts honestly....not the way the schools and NCAA see it....and work out a fair way of helping the primary movers of asses in the seats!!! Friend I am a football guy....been at in at high levels for many years.....but I am a very educated man who studies markets incomes property....and all these things factor in.

I do not want to see a union either...I do want to see the kids get that extra stipend that would allow them to buy jeans, shoes, pizza, beer, a movie, gas.....they do bring in big money...and need more. My solution is cut off the head of the stinking overweight smelly unjust sloth in the room.....get rid of the NCAA...their time, just like the unions is done. Still got to regulate things....but not with them!!

I did not appreciate what I felt was a cut; so I reply back the same way. I think we are coming from the same place....so we are good, I'll live!!!!LOL! We are good my friend forgive my insensitivity and for not thinking before SEND!!! Blog on brother!!!

Old Skool

Here's an extreme view of a football union.

A popular player gets suspended for staying out past curfew or missing study hall: Strike until he's reinstated

The school hasn't met our demands. We wait until the week before the rivalry game or the bowl game then go on strike. Coaches are forced to use non-union players - regular Joes from the intramural or fraternity teams.

Even more interesting would be if one school went on strike and other didn't so then you have union versus non-union players. A massacre and a blood bath or maybe a replay of the classic USA - Russia hockey final.

VA Cane

How about retrospective compensation? We go back, look at the UM teams since 2003...rate them on effort, quality of performance stats rankings etc....forget graduation rate I do not care if you graduate you are now an employee, and I do not care what you know, just get your nose in there grind and produce titles!!!!....if you did well I may owe you a bunch of back pay overtime.....in this case you owe me $ because since 2003 you ain't done jack shit....you have not produced or won anything worthy of what you have gotten....wheres my reimbursement? Whewww it could get ugly. If I am going to pay your higher education....and give you good money....I want results every year Mr Employee!!!!! Northwestern players would be bankrupt writing IOUs getting garnished for their BS program....this is a real can of worms huh?

I say End the NCAA....they are really the root of the problem....get rid of the nit pick rules...so many of them are BS. It is pork pure fat.....they are all idiots. You could still regulate the things that need it....the $ is there.....NCAA does not need to make the $ they are making.....pay the kids tuition books etc....give them monthly $ for the things they need they are the stars drawing the $ putting butts in seats.....even the coaches are overpaid....I damn sure do not go to Bburg, NC, Duke to AG and Co coach......cause they really dont!!!!! Even Saban, Urban,et al.....aint nobody going to see Sabans dumpster wardrobe or Greasy Urbans mole face mug....we go to see players.....and the head guy at the NCAA...an ASS!!! The kids are not asking for much, but now you pushed them in a corner....and they have come out swinging. While I do not consider them employees, and do not like excess union agenda in general....I would like to see kids...especially kids whose famalies do not have a lot...(not like rich boy jerkoff Manzell who is a spoiled jerk) get enough for the personal things they do need....I remember what it was like I worked all through my college playing days to make $....in a warehouse...treat the kids fair JMO

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UMike

I dont really have a horse in the union thing, but I do believe these kids are used and oppressed an something needs to change.

UMike

## Al Golden said after practice today that Kevin Olsen is “starting to close ground” with Ryan Williams, but that “Ryan is ahead of Kevin, and Kevin is ahead of Gray Crow. Obviously Ryan has been the leader and is doing a really good job.”

### Golden can’t stop raving about Stacy Coley. “He’s raised the level of his play, and everyone is trying to catch his intensity and preparation.”

### Tight end Standish Dobard “is getting better,” Golden said. “He prepares really hard, wants to do well. Stan gives us a real physical presence on the line of scrimmage yet can get down the field and make plays because he's so long. Really excited about Stan right now."

### Freshman Darrion Owens had a sack Wednesday and UM really likes his pass rush potential.

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VA Cane

Agreed UMike....get rid of that tired old warhorse that is not needed....the NCAA they cripple kids and sports....playing God legislating morality....screw them....the big conferences can walk away...design a program that can regulate yet promote the sports and take care of the kids....they do not want to be millionaires....just be able to enjoy themselves fairly.....they are the stars....not the NCAA the presidents, the boards....fuck all them...even the coaches....too much $ for coaching a game.....and they really do not bring the fans....its the kids....so lets get it right...reality...what a concept...

UMike

If they formed power conferences where the schools with money could pay their players and all that, Miami would be on the outside looking in. Im not sure I want the NCAA totally gone, but definitely a complete overhaul where the kids are treated fairly.

UMike

For example if a kid takes some money cause his family is broke, or treated to a steak dinner he is punished and if it happens a few times the school shows "lack of institutional control", however a school can have 34 arrest during a coaches tenure and the NCAA has nothing to say. The NCAA doesnt care if kids get arrested, but they HAVE to oppress these kids every chance they get to remind them who is boss and scared them into every stepping up. Like CR said, that plantation mentality.

Go Canes

The unraveling of the NCAA is finally starting.

Nothing makes me happier.

There is SO much money being made, almost a billion dollars of revenue this year alone, with an $80 million surplus, it is criminal the way they have arbitrarily governed, ruled and exploited their power.

A complete and total overhaul is needed. It is obscene for Nick Saban to make $7 million a year while these kids are barely making ends meet.

The solution will hopefully include a fiancial grant given at graduation to any student athlete who competes in a sport AND completes their degree.

SOUP

I dont really have a horse in the union thing, but I do believe these kids are used and oppressed an something needs to change.

Posted by: UMike | March 27, 2014 at 08:12 AM

Yeah because all of these kids are victims that are "forced" to play college football and their lives would be so much better if they didn't have free room and board, free meals and a chance to get a free college education at a highly esteemed institution that they could never get into otherwise if they could not run fast, jump high or lift a lot of weight. Yeah, poor kids.

AeroCane

There you go Soup! Agreed!
2 sides 2 to every conflict.

Ohio_Cane

If Saban gave $35,000 to each kid on scholarship (85), he'd still make over $5 mil.

Ohio_Cane

$4 mil ^^^^^^^^^

UMike

SOUP... someone piss in your cherrios this morning? Obviously the kids have the benefit of getting a free college education, but that doesnt mean they need to be taken advantage of like they are. The NCAA or school can make millions off these kids, some directly from a single player, but if a kid gets a free meal he is punished. If a player sells his OWN jersey or awards he is punished, but yet if the kid gets arrested the NCAA has nothing to say. The NCAA is also not the ones awarding scholarships to these kids (I dont believe), so the NCAA isnt giving them syht...but will make millions off their jersey and likeness.

Ohio_Cane

Doesn't the NCAA pay the schools? TV money, etc? So, essentially, the NCAA is paying the kids their scholarships in a roundabout way.

UMike

So the coach will make millions (no matter if a kids actually gets his education/degree), the school will make millions off you, the NCAA will sell your jersey, likeness etc and make millions... but if your kid needs shoes and someone gives you a few bucks you will be punished and potentially lose your "free" education. You're right, sounds perfectly fair to me.

UMike

The NCAA is not giving a kid a scholarship to attend a certain school etc, the NCAA pays schools sure but all that does is allow the school to profit from the players.

Ohio_Cane

I don't personally care either way. I could end up making points on both sides of this argument. Just contributing to the convo a little bit.

UMike

I mean, I dont think these kids should get tons of money or be allowed to get agents etc etc.... but changes need to be made. You cant make millions off a kid and then punish him for a free dinner lol

Ohio_Cane

Also, is this the way every business works? The higher-ups make more than the lower level employees, even though the lower level ones do most of the work? Every business I know is this way.

Also, lets not act like these kids aren't getting a TON that they would not get if they couldn't play sports at a high level. Struggling or not.

A $250,000 education (at some schools) over a 4-5 year period is nothing to sneeze at.

Ohio_Cane

You cant make millions off a kid and then punish him for a free dinner lol

Posted by: UMike | March 27, 2014 at 10:46 AM
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I agree with this. The free dinner, bowling, etc is ridiculous. However, where does it stop? Do U set a cap on how much free stuff they can get? A certain dollar amount? It would be abused and we all know it. Hell, it's abused now with kids getting free stuff, they just can't catch everyone.

SOUP

UMike...oh so now U want the world to be "fair"?

Who promised U that?

LMAO

SOUP

#COMMUNIST

UMike

Ohio. I agree that is how most business models are, BUT.. the lower level ones arent being punished for getting help or selling their own property etc. And lets not act like the kids (at least most of them) dont EARN those scholarships, they have twice the workload as normal students and far more pressure.

UMike

Ohio... I agree it would be hard to control, and IDK that I have any solution, but some stuff is just common sense. If a kid gets a free car from someone close to the school that is one thing, but if a kid gets some help to get by he shouldnt be punished.

SOUP

UMike...I have a brand new house, a nice car and season tickets to UM football and since U don't I will just give them all to U so that way the world, and life, can be "fair".

#UGotAnotherThingComing

UMike

I wonder what the percentage of these athletes come from families at or below the poverty level.

Ohio_Cane

The jerseys are not the player's. They are the schools. They don't get to keep them when they leave, do they?

Except in cases like OSU where U keep the pants for beating Michigan, etc. Does UM let players keep equipment when they leave?

UMike

SOUP.. wtf are you even talking about dude? If anyone knows this world isnt "fair" its me... and thats not even close to my point, my point is the kids are being taken advantage of. Whats right is right.

SOUP

A $250,000 education (at some schools) over a 4-5 year period is nothing to sneeze at.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | March 27, 2014 at 10:48 AM

That they could NEVER get otherwise.

Yeah, that seems so "unfair" to me?

UMike

Ohio, as far as selling their own stuff, I guess that mostly relates to bowl game stuff or rings, awards etc. But the school and NCAA make money off jerseys because players make that number profitable.

UMike

SOUP you're way off base man. First, they EARN that scholarship, it isnt a "free" education. That education could also be taken away any given year without notice. But you just keep running with the "fair" topic.

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