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July 30, 2014

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Go Canes

We never really know what's going on...

@PLamRecruiting: According to #LSU beat writers, Fr. DT Travonte Valentine, out of #Hialeah #Champagnat, is still waiting to be cleared by #NCAAclearinghouse

Cane Country

Awesome video! Check out our offensive outlook on miamicanecountry.blogspot.com

Ohio_Cane

We never really know what's going on...

@PLamRecruiting: According to #LSU beat writers, Fr. DT Travonte Valentine, out of #Hialeah #Champagnat, is still waiting to be cleared by #NCAAclearinghouse

Posted by: Go Canes | July 30, 2014 at 04:34 PM
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It was rumored during his recruitment that he couldn't get into UM. His handler said he had a 3.1 gpa, but what about credits, test scores, etc?

U never know.

VA Cane

I give AG and Co lots of credit; they are pretty good about recruiting those guys who can get in; they have turned guys down; they stuck with Trayone and it looks good.

Valentine having problems? How in the hell can one not get in to LSU same as FSU except for the F!!!!!! A mental midget could get in at either one!!!!

Go Canes

Kellen Winslow II on QAM talking about how Swasey is the man.

CaneRock

IDK, but it seems like LSU has the same admission standards as UM:

http://sites01.lsu.edu/wp/admissions/become-a-tiger-2/freshmen/freshman-admission-requirements/

CaneRock

Also, didn't a few of the Champagnat kids transfer...

KYcane

I could give 2 craps about yards just win the freaking game.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | July 30, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Yep

GatorKillerCane

What is the current thinking on where Trayone Gray will be slotted----safety?

KYcane

IDK.. during the Jitters/Turf Face & Nix years the QB play and offense was pretty shitty and our D didnt give up 500 yards and 40 points consistently.

Posted by: UMike | July 30, 2014 at 02:03 PM

Yep

KYcane

Stop the run, pressure the passer consistently, better closer coverage (pressure will give QB less time to find his guys), 3rd down stops get off the field, cover the damn TE. Basic stuff that if we improve we will be able to win the way we need to.

Posted by: VA Cane | July 30, 2014 at 04:14 PM

Yep

CaneRock

IDK.. during the Jitters/Turf Face & Nix years the QB play and offense was pretty shitty and our D didnt give up 500 yards and 40 points consistently.

Posted by: UMike | July 30, 2014 at 02:03 PM

Yep

Posted by: KYcane | July 30, 2014 at 05:38 PM

Make that a double...YEP!

Go Canes

Just go up and down those rosters and see how many of the players from those defenses ended up in the league.

CaneRock

Just like clockwork.

You criticize the DC...they blame it on the players. You criticize the scheme, they blame it on the offense. Never fails...tick,tock,tick,tock,TICK!

Go Canes

No, I blame both parts of the ball equally because they both cost us games that were winnable last year.

Some of you just need a scapegoat (Coach D), when the reality is this team lacked depth and talent on defense and failed to execute on offense over and over and over again.

Part of it was coaching, part of it was scheme and part of it was talent and execution by players.

What was even 1% inaccurate about what I wrote regarding the UNC game?

Nothing.

Show me a defense in todays game that gives up less than 24 points to UNC at home, on a Thursday night when throwing four interceptions.

The D won that one for us.

Just like the D killed us in the Duke game, even though the offense completely shit the bed in the second half as well.

What's so complicated about that?

I guess it's easier to scream Coach D sucks and needs to be fired.

Go Canes

Random pull.

2006 Canes defense had Jon Beason, Kenny Phillips, Brandon Meriweather, Calais Campbell, Bryan Pata, Tavares Gooden and Randy Phillips starting.

Think we are better than we were this season with those this starting for us?

Or is that me just defending the coaches?

Mountain Cane

2006 was way better, although Campbell fell in that category we've seen too much of lately----playing much better in the league than in college.

Mountain Cane

Think Gray will see any non-special teams pt? If so, what position?

CaneRock

We scored an average of 29 PPG against VT Duke...Morris didn't throw 4 INTs in either game...but YET!, we gave up over 10 FREAKIN'! football fields of yardage! And we didn't lose either of those games because of a talent gap, or lack of depth...we got OUT-COACHED!

CaneRock

Alluding to what UMike said...I've seen some bad UM offenses, but never to the point of giving up 500 YPG in half your games.

Dude on a Pale Horse

Mtn Cane.

According to Gray the staff wants him @WR. Many bloggers think he should play WR. I on the other hand think he should play RB because he can cut, run w/ speed or power and we need more bodies @RB. I think Gray is in the McGahee mold if you ask me. Plus he is so dangerous when he has the ball, why not give it to him more often? I think he has speed but I don't think he ran many routes in HS. He was @ his best running the ball in HS. We shall see though.

Go Canes

VT's first three TD drives averaged exactly 40 yards.

We gave up 232 yards defensively in the last 16 minutes of the game after we had 5 of 6 drives offensively be three plays or less.

That was a team implosion. Just like the Duke game where we did this late offensively:


02:47 3 02:29 MIA 9 5 35 Punt
14:12 4 01:40 MIA 1 4 40 Punt
11:37 4 01:28 MIA 24 4 18 Punt
06:50 4 01:34 MIA 25 4 7 Turnover on Downs
01:04 4 01:02 MIA 29 8 55 Turnover on Downs

Like I said, the defense was terrible at times but the offense failed to execute over and over and over again.

Go Canes

That was 3 and out, 4 and out, 4 and out, 4 and out on downs and 4 and out on downs to down the stretch.

TEAM implosion.

Dude on a Pale Horse

I think its totally fair to put some of the defensive blame on the O not being able to put drives together but you have to be careful not to deflect from the FACT that Mark has run the worst D in recent history. Mark is historically bad. The O has had a ton of talent on it. Duke was out and was our only explosive back last year because Corn Elder plays D. Gus was a freshman and we didn't have the kind of OL that can punish you for 4 yards running whenever we want w/ SOUP @RB. We have to get deeper @RB (FACT). Morris was a HUGE issue last year and James Coley showed his inexperience @OC. His offense needed to be dumbed down like Fisch's was. I doubt Morris had more than 2 reads ever under Fisch.

Dude on a Pale Horse

Go Canes,

We used to be able to shut down everyone in the 4th qtr no matter how bad the O was. I want to have that back but don't think Mark and Al can do it, largely because their scheme has to many assignments and the LBs and Safeties get lost and the DL get worn out. Again, not saying their scheme can't work, just they aren't good enough coaches for it to work. Rather out talent the O on the defensive side of things, like Louisville did to us.

Go Canes

No one on here has ever heard me write Coach D is a good coach Dude.

Ever.

But pointing out all of the facts that went into our losses, yes facts, not ranting, is treated as defending this person or that person.

Our D sucked at times, but it was the least talented one we have fielded in the 30+ years I've been watching the Canes. Forget about stars, if you look at it with your own eyes it's undeniable.

We lost the Duke and VT games on BOTH sides of the ball. Stating that is not defending anyone, it's pointing out facts.

And I say again, it will be so much better over the next two seasons and going forward. We are replacing every departing player with a bigger, faster and stronger football player.

Dude on a Pale Horse

I don't think it was untalented. I think the scheme sucks. I think Armbrister, Perryman, Bush, Jenkins, Howard, AQM, McCord, Pierre, Robinson, Gunter and pre bulked up Chick can play. I think its just a super passive scheme. It allows a lot of plays to happen underneath coverage and let's only 1 or 2 guys attack behind the LOS. WRs get space to catch and run. I'll admit its not a deep D, and guys will get tired, but to me the biggest problem is that its way too passive.

Dude on a Pale Horse

The reason you get blasted Go Canes is because you defended Golden not firing Mark. At least I'm pretty sure you defended the decision. Now I get Al not firing Mark. But he should have been at least demoted, Al should have swallowed his pride and brought in an actual DC, but then I don't want to get into a debate about who's available and what not.

Dude on a Pale Horse

I'm not saying I could coordinate a college O or D, but I don't think its rocket science either. Mark & Al's D seems really easy to shred up. Here's how:

1. Motion the TEs and WRs because it will confuse the coverage. How we are never prepared for this I will never understand.

2. Chip the best pass rusher, AQM or McCord. The rest of the guys aren't good enough to control 2 gaps and get pressure on the QB.

3. Overload the running side of the ball. Miami won't come out of their assigned gaps to stop the run.

4. Take what the soft coverage gives you and have the QB try to hit the WR in stride. This will basically be pitch and catch so really practice the underneath stuff because Miami will not yield a lot over the top.

CaneRock

02:47 3 02:29 MIA 9 5 35 Punt
14:12 4 01:40 MIA 1 4 40 Punt
11:37 4 01:28 MIA 24 4 18 Punt
06:50 4 01:34 MIA 25 4 7 Turnover on Downs
01:04 4 01:02 MIA 29 8 55 Turnover on Downs

Like I said, the defense was terrible at times but the offense failed to execute over and over and over again.

Posted by: Go Canes | July 30, 2014 at 07:17 PM

"Over and over and over again"? We scored 30 FREAKIN'! points...and that was without PD4,Duke, & Coley (2nd half). How many points did He need?

Dude on a Pale Horse

Miami's O with Duke is way different than w/o, make no mistake about that.

Here's my take w/o Duke last year.

On throwing situations, sit back and make the QB beat you underneath (Morris can't) be very careful not to underestimate his arm strength, when in doubt, know he can get it there.

On running situations, man up and stack everyone inside the box, neither Crawford or Johnson can spill for large yardage. And BLITZ! BLITZ! BLITZ! If Miami should decide to throw here, Morris will struggle to recognize where the pressure is coming from. Force the throw out early to prevent WR seperation and get Morris off his throwing spot. The OL is a pretty good unit picking up a conventional blitz, but Morris will rush the play.

Dude on a Pale Horse

W/ Duke

All the same, except... HOLY sh*t did you see that stiff arm and cut? 54 yards run to the house!

Dude on a Pale Horse

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasnt FSU the only team to get much over the top on us?

Ohio_Cane


2006 was way better, although Campbell fell in that category we've seen too much of lately----playing much better in the league than in college.

Posted by: Mountain Cane | July 30, 2014 at 06:43 PM
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I agree we've seen a trend like that lately, but using Campbell probably isn't the best example.

I don't remember all the accolades, but I'm pretty sure he was an all-American and is top 5-10 in sacks for a season. Not sure how much more U wanted from him.

Ohio_Cane

Gray is starting at WR like the dude said. I wouldn't mind him at RB either. Give the kid the ball and watch him work. His athleticism will let him play anywhere, so I wouldn't be mad if he was on D if he's not needed on O

Dude on a Pale Horse

While the defense may not have been deep last year. Only FSU, Florida & Louisville, maybe UNC can say they were deeper or as deep.

I think Louisville put on a clinic as to how our D should look.

Dude on a Pale Horse

Campbell was preseason player of the year in some magazines though. He certainly didn't live up to that hype.

trianglecane

http://www.caneshooter.com/p315215734

New uni's on players.

LQ

The year before he left Campbell was good but that next year he was awful. We had a great game vs the aggies

VA Cane

This is how stupid the athletes at FSU are; Winston better hope he stays healthy and can play in the NFL. Thinking is certainly not one of his strong points. I find it hard to believe a guy can be this stupid, but hey it's FSU!!!!

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/sports-cfb/20140730/Winston-Pellet.Gun/

30CINCO

http://www.caneshooter.com/p315215734

New uni's on players.

Posted by: trianglecane | July 30, 2014 at 08:37 PM
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Them uni's are niiiiiice!

30CINCO

All smoke with orange helmets are probably my favorite.

Think we will be riding with the all white with traditional helmet come Sep 1st.

86Cane

You criticize the DC...they blame it on the players. You criticize the scheme, they blame it on the offense. Never fails...tick,tock,tick,tock,TICK!

Posted by: CaneRock | July 30, 2014 at 06:05 PM

JUST STOP IT DUDE!

Do NOT argue just to argue, that is NOT the Canespace way. Make your point and move the FFFF on. Do NOT attack other bloggers.

Unless of course U you are CoCane then U can do whatever the FFFF U want!

86Cane

Gus was a freshman and we didn't have the kind of OL that can punish you for 4 yards running whenever we want w/ SOUP @ RB.

Posted by: The Dude | July 30, 2014 at 07:25 PM

Put me in coach, I'm ready to play!

But I have dropped 30 pounds since last season so I may have to juke them or dive over the top instead of run over them? LOL

86Cane

I want Gray at RB...NOW!

Let Duke start (of course) then sub him out for Yearby and then Gray. Then U take out Duke and the TE at the last second and put Gray in the slot with HoneyNut Berrios on the other side with Coley and PD4 and Waters or Lewis.

OK, clean up on aisle 5...

86Cane

With the RBs coming in next year and the year after that Gray will prolly wind up at WR unless he bulks up?

Montreal_Cane

Joe Rose on kevin Olson today...Right or wrong, Rose was very hard on the kid who has not played a down yet in CFB

Joe Rose Show Podcast 7 - 30 - 14 On Kevin Olson at the 1:48:45

https://soundcloud.com/wqam

WWIN

Yes, I know, it's Golden's D. Doesn't mean he wouldn't give up those reigns to a new DC, if one were hired. (Barrow)

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | July 30, 2014 at 02:08 PM

So how do you fire D'no when it's AG's D?? We should fire AG from the D!

WWIN

Put Gray at FS and punt return and let him become the next Sean Taylor!

#RIP26

WWIN

Special Teams should make the difference for us this year, our star players don't have to be out there anymore!

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