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July 12, 2014

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AfriCane

Beer, I really do not want to jump in this battle of opinions regarding the heat Organisation's competence by judging the moves Riley has made. Like most bloggers, the accusation that Riley has messed up is shocking. The reason the discussion is primarily between between two bloggers is because most of us r listening for possible substance to prove such an audacious statement. It's a 'you've got our attention' kind of moment.' Now that we've listened.....
It is the hardest sell in the Western Hemisphere to try to label Pat Riley a mess up. I think most people will take Pat Riley over Phil Jackson as a basketball guru. Why? Because Riley has done it as a coach on 3 different teams and now as an executive. Phil has done it as a coach on 2 teams and is now just trying his hand as an executive. I doubt I need even talk about Pats resume as everyone is already familiar with it. I will finish by saying that, Beer, if u think Riley has messed up and in the process of messing up has brought us 3 championships and 4 straight NBA finals, there's no one fan, no one owner that would not welcome or pay handsomely for such a mess up, and indeed give such an executive 'messing up' the benefit of the doubt going forward.

BEERicane

I agree with everything you said Nigerian. But I don't believe he is above criticism and to treat him like he is infallible is to deny the need for any sense of accountability.

In medicine, if a surgeon has a decorated career then leaves one lap, bovie tip, or malleable retractor in and has a bad outcome (s)he is not immune to litigation of medical board review. Granted, that is an extreme example but I guess I live in a field of never ending accountability.

Lurker

Nigerian is exactly right, and I'm glad to see Beer has backed down abandoned his audacious remarks

CaneRock

I think resigning CB was a good move. Tell me, who else on the Heat has a consistent mid-range game...can shoot the 3...at 6'11"?
At worst, you can keep CB on the team as trade bait...

AfriCane

U r right about that beer. But has an intelligent person, which I definetly know u r by the contents of your posts, wouldn't it be more accurate and fair if u had directed your criticism specifically at a particular move that Riley made, I think that would have been on point. I think it's the general condemnation of your accusation against pat Riley that drew opposition.

BEERicane

Fair enough. I think his entire offseason last year didn't work out. Oden, Beasley, Hamilton. He took a risk, rolled the dice and lost. So I fault him for his projects, which ultimately made the heat a thinner, older team. Now, I fault him for Chris Bosh's new deal. If he and the heat brass sign wade to 8ish mil/yr (maybe as high as 10, maybe), then I'll have some restored faith. However, I fear wade gets another inflated deal.

Oh, and I fault him entirely for resigning the PG who probably wouldn't even start in the Euro league. Oh well.

SOUP

I think resigning CB was a good move.

Posted by: CaneRock | July 13, 2014 at 09:54 PM

Yes, but MAYBE for $60 million but for $118 million? Not EVER!

AfriCane

But that was CB's market value. Huston would have gave him that.

The Dude

Word is Birdman is coming back.

WWIN

Beer, keep fighting the good fight! You hitting the nail right on the head, Don't let nobody convince you otherwise! They'll keep seeing everything come to light like we been telling em!

I guess we should be talking about how good of a coach Coker was since he led us to two NC's (yeah we was robbed of one) and went undefeated.

AfriCane

Coker compared to Riley is not even apples to oranges, it's elephant to iguana. It is so not the same. I mean, good god willie, u could have found another example.

The Dude

Riley is proven and has built multiple championship teams, Coker started on 3rd base thinking he hit a triple.

SOUP

Oft to RE class. Catch U gatos later.

Topics for the blog???

UMike

Ariz, The Work...

**With Dredrick Snelson’s commitment to Miami yesterday, the Canes have already compiled what will be one of the top three receiver classes (2016) in the country if Bruce, Mullins, and Snelson stick. The next big WR target for 2016? Southridge prospect Freddie Pinder (6-5), who could emerge as a national prospect with a consistent season. It is possible that Pinder commits in the coming months. Miami expects Michael Irvin, Jr. to evolve into a TE prospect for those asking. He will also most likely be in the class. There is talk that 2016 Northeast WR Binjimen Victor will be committing to Alabama soon.

**I should be interviewing Jaason Lewis this week, but I also got a little more info on him in regards to Miami. The Canes view him as a jumbo WR/TE in the mold of Kellen Winslow, Jr. They see him as an all-purpose offensive weapon that they will be able to line up everywhere and create mismatches. They would even have a package that would allow him to take handoffs out of the backfield. Miami is very much in the picture.

**Despite most Miami fans continuing to worry about the DT situation, the staff is confident with where they are at right now. Moten is making waves already and they feel like he is as good as advertised, Wyche is a massive upgrade at nose tackle, and Calvin Heurtelou might be the strongest player on the team. Heurtelou’s counterparts at OL were raving about how tough he was to move by the end of spring ball. Also, the staff is very pleased with Courtel Jenkins’ progress early on. Jenkins is only a few pounds off of his goal weight and has grown (height) since the time Miami began recruiting him. As far as recruiting goes at the position, RJ McIntosh is currently weighing 275 pounds and Miami coaches believe he has the same sort of upside as Muhammad Wilkerson, who Golden and D’Onofrio groomed at Temple. They believe they are in the picture for Neville Gallimore as well and I should have some JUCO names later this week.

**I mentioned Devante Peete as a guy Miami still wants, but HurricaneGlory and I both have different sources telling us that there is major work he needs to do in the classroom. Just something to watch if his recruitment takes a weird turn. On the field, there is no question about his ability.

**I received a text from someone close to Calvin Ridley and Shawn Burgess-Becker and this person said, “No shot on those two right now” in regards to Miami. Like I’ve said, look for Miami to just try to stay in touch and make a push late.

**The Torrance Gibson situation is going to get very interesting. First to clear any speculation, yes Miami is recruiting him as a QB. They know that is what he wants to play so they will give him that opportunity in order to try to land him. Is his NFL position at WR? Probably so, but Miami is not dumb and knows they would have no chance if they recruited him as such. With Miami’s recent success landing impactful South Florida kids, look for that to play a major part in his decision. As I mentioned last week, Snelson could be the wild card here for the Canes.

**Your weekly Dexter Williams update… CanesInSight’s Nash Williams spoke to him this weekend and he continues to say he is sticking strong, but his actions are showing different. I’m told that Williams reached out to Notre Dame this past week expressing some concern about a potential crowded backfield at Miami. I’m not saying that Notre Dame is the team to watch for, but there is just a lot of things working against Miami and I still do not see him sticking. Read Nash’s interview with Williams here - http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/...mitment-rumors

Twitter Questions
1) From @Miaballa99 - think we have any chance with Rick Deberry considering how weak we are at LB?
First off, I don’t necessarily think that Miami is “weak” at LB. There are some lack of experience/depth concerns I guess, but there is talent there. Grace, Kirby, Young, Owens along with of course Perryman is not a bad core at all. As far as DeBerry goes, it would be a near impossible pull, but he has stated in the past that he grew up as a Miami fan and he will be visiting this week so we will see what happens.

2) From @CarlBleich - if all the QBs were healthy...the QB depth chart would be what at the beginning of camp? Middle of season? Before the bowl?
Well, if all the QBs were healthy then Jake Heaps would not be here. Williams was going to start before the knee injury. Right now though, I would say that Heaps is the slight frontrunner to start. There is a good amount buzz around Kaaya right now, but I will hold off on giving him the edge to start because we need to see him in pads. Heaps would be the easy choice. I would be very surprised to see Olsen get the nod against Louisville. If Miami was confident in what they had in him, Heaps would not be here.

3) From @MarcoDiSilvio - what has to happen to land Jaquan Johnson?
I wouldn’t say there is a single event that Miami needs to happen or a pitch they need to sell. It will ultimately come down to if Johnson decides to listen to his family, who wants him at home. Miami is not worried if that says anything. I just don’t think he (Quan) is all that focused on the process right now. He has been on the map since freshman year and he is growing tired of it.

4) From @FBDR24 - better WR Ridley or Gibson?
Right now, it is Ridley without question. If you are asking about pure potential, I would go with Gibson. If he buys in to playing the position full-time and perfecting the craft, he is a top 10 NFL talent. He is so smooth and effortless it is scary. But at the moment, Ridley is a stud and just has more experience playing the position.

5) From @iamtinytimjr - is Mark Walton as strong with his commitment as it seems? There are strong rumors going around about him contacting UF!
That is not a rumor about Walton reaching out to UF – it is the truth. His commitment is very strong, but in today’s age of recruiting you can’t expect a kid to completely shut it down this early in the process. Factor that into the fact that he is still a 2016 kid and that makes him even more attractive to schools who realize there is a loooooong ways until February 2016.

http://www.canesinsight.com/content/2422-The-Work-7-13?s=80eee7ff5ac99af5508c24a8abc11bf7

UMike

We can’t sit here, on this July 14 morning, and tell you UM is going to have a good defense in 2014.

No, we can’t guarantee good. Can’t even guarantee it will be better than last year, when … ah, you know. All the points and yards allowed. Ebron going off. The FSU loss. Logan Thomas in the rain. The Duke loss (the Duke loss…) Teddy throwing for 447. Yeah, yeah. You’ve replayed it in your heads many times.

After last year nothing is guaranteed. If UM’s defense has improved, it must prove that each week this fall.

But how would you feel if we told you people inside the UM program were really, legitimately pleased with how they look at … defensive tackle, of all places?

Yes, defensive tackle, one of the major trouble spots of a troubled defense, has been a positive this summer, several folks inside the Schwartz Center said.

UM believes it has a major upgrade in transfer Michael Wyche, who has impressed in the weight room. One source called him “what we’ve been missing in terms of length and width at nose.”

Wyche certainly had the width when he arrived. He reported for summer classes June 30 at 6-foot-4 and 360 pounds, but is now less than 350 and is expected to be lower when camp begins Aug. 5. UM wants him around 330-335.

But several teammates have raved about Wyche’s considerable strength. He told the Post last December he could bench 435 pounds and squat close to 600, which made him among the strongest Canes before he stepped on campus.

“He’s a powerful kid, powerful as can be,” the UM source said. The big question will be how much Wyche can play this fall, being as big as he is, but that source wasn’t worried: “He’s got some twitch to him. He’s not a sideline-to-sideline guy, but neither is Vince Wilfork. I don’t want to crown the guy, but he’s what we thought we were getting” from a size, strength, character and workout standpoint.

“Now we just need to see it with pads on,” the source said.

Another JUCO transfer, Calvin Heurtelou, has been through a round of spring ball and drew March raves from Al Golden for his strength. UM is also impressed with Anthony Moten, a 6-foot-4 freshman who arrived at 292 and is now more than 300 pounds. Courtel Jenkins is in

“People seem to think we’re not where we need to be at defensive tackle,” the source said. “We’re young, but we’re deeper than people think.”

So who’s next? UM is in the mix for Neville Gallimore, a 6-foot-3, 300-pound four-star DT from St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada. UM offered him in May and will try to get him on campus this fall for an official visit. Gallimore competed the Opening last week. UM also feels good about recent commit Richard “R.J.” McIntosh, a defensive end who has the frame to play tackle in college.

Duke of dash: According to UM sources, Duke Johnson recently ran a 40-yard dash below 4.4 seconds. That’s notable because Johnson, coming off a season-ending broken ankle last November against Florida State, has added 15 pounds to his frame. Johnson now checks in at 5-9 and 210 pounds.

Johnson also broke the 4.4 mark as a freshman – when he was around 180 pounds. Stacy Coley and Herb Waters also broke 4.4.

See the rest...
http://caneswatch.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2014/07/14/notes-a-positive-summer-for-miamis-defensive-tackles-40-times-recruiting-buzz/

Go Canes

Boy that article sounds familiar.

Ohio_Cane

At least Ariz posted his article before the Herald so there's no speculation he's stealing it lol

UMike

As of right now every commit for our 2016 class would be a 4 or 5-Star, and all from Florida... and AWESOME way to start a class

UMike

Bosh may be a lil overpaid, but he was rewarded for staying... and come 2015 and 2016 his deal will look cheap lol

UMike

Im not a big boxing fan like I once was 10-15 years ago, but how in the world does a fighter land MORE punches and a higher percentage of punches and lose a fight?? lol

30CINCO

Chris Bosh, perception, and his ever changing role

http://www.hothothoops.com/2014/7/12/5892825/chris-bosh-perception-and-his-ever-changing-role-miami-heat

UMike

I think the Heats roster looks great compared to what it was Friday lol

Ohio_Cane

Had no idea Kehoe had jungle fever! Lol, his wife is good looking too! Big Kehoe got game!

UMike

I had that jungle fever a couple times haha

AfriCane

I have yellow fever!

laquinton

I would say that Michael W looks really big in the wieght room. He was in a photo with Al Quadin (#98) and he looks big as ever. Hoping we just have some pressure on QB's. WE all felt what a good decent Miami team looked like last year. Once we get that again we look like those past glory teams. Still dont know why Miami is in a 3-4 when we were built on a 4-3 and could wreak havoc on college teams with what we have now... but im not gonna go there

GatorKillerCane

You did go there. We were in a 4-3 more plays than we were in a 3-4 actually.

Leaving aside our personnel, the 3-4 is designed to bring a lot of pressure and varied pressure on the QB.

Dick Lebow has had a couple steeler teams that show how it is done.

We had no push last year in either formation. Hopefully the new guys will make a big difference up front.

UMike

I dont think it matters what we run... we wont have a good D until we get a real DC... imo. I have ZERO faith in D'No, IDK how anyone could.

I just hope were no so horrible we get blown out.

j.w.

I think there's zero chance of the Heat winning a title with this roster in the next two years. They will be good, but their upside is Chicago after MJ retired. LAC, SA, OKC, Hou and maybe even Por and GS are better even if they could get out of the East. I can see 45-48 wins, but you just can't expect more.

NativeCane

We had no push last year in either formation. Hopefully the new guys will make a big difference up front.Posted by: GatorKillerCane | July 14, 2014 at 12:58 PM

If you are indeed a gatah killa we gone get along real goot!

Post here, post often!

Dem Canes!!!

CGNC

30- thanks for the Bosh article.

LOL. Like a Bosh. I like it.

The Dude

Zero faith in No'D UMike? K, what's your faith in Al Golden to rectify the situation at the end of the season?

The Dude

j.w.

I think getting out of the East would be a major accomplishment.

SOUP

2) From @CarlBleich - if all the QBs were healthy...the QB depth chart would be what at the beginning of camp? Middle of season? Before the bowl?

Well, if all the QBs were healthy then Jake Heaps would not be here. Williams was going to start before the knee injury. Right now though, I would say that Heaps is the slight frontrunner to start. There is a good amount buzz around Kaaya right now, but I will hold off on giving him the edge to start because we need to see him in pads. Heaps would be the easy choice. I would be very surprised to see Olsen get the nod against Louisville. If Miami was confident in what they had in him, Heaps would not be here.

NO, NO, NO...I SAY GRAY CROW!

CaneRock

Who is this LeFraud Lame that ya'll speak of?

SOUP

Who is this LeFraud Lame that ya'll speak of?

Posted by: CaneRock | July 14, 2014 at 06:43 PM

If I am not mistaken he is a famous French race car driver from around 1958?

tonycane

I like what Riley has done in the wake of James departure. Tanking the season goes totally against his philosophy (experienced players). The East is fluid enough where Miami could conceivably advance to the Finals, or finish the 6th or 7th seed. But I would rather have that chance than finish with 10 wins, with a first round draft choice destined to Cleveland in the next three years.

VA Cane

I still Think Kaaya will be the guy. Very big decision. Never know when in doubt go with the CROW!!!!!!!!!

Soup check I get should be in bank tomorrow so I will be sending help. I know it is not huge but I do appreciate how much you do for all of us.

BEERicane

Lol!!

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/07/shabazz-napier-unfollows-lebron-deletes-tweets-to-him/

Shabazz!

The Dude

I'd tank in a heartbeat if there was a Miami kid that's a 6'9" 265 SF that could shoot, play D and jump out of the arena. I'd take that chance, but that chance isn't there. Teams tanked last year because it was a super deep class. Look @ the Lakers getting Randle so late. I'd tank for the '03 class with LeBron, Melo, Wade & Bosh. No reason to tank this year.

SOUP

Soup check I get should be in bank tomorrow so I will be sending help. I know it is not huge but I do appreciate how much you do for all of us.

Posted by: VA Cane | July 14, 2014 at 08:40 PM

ALL donations are greatly appreciated.

But please understand, IF U cannot donate right now then please do NOT. If U are currently in a situation where U have extra cash then fine. This is not a requirement, just an OPTION. Let's be clear about this.

TonyCane

I think resigning CB was a good move.

Posted by: CaneRock | July 13, 2014 at 09:54 PM

Yes, but MAYBE for $60 million but for $118 million? Not EVER!

Posted by: SOUP | July 13, 2014 at 10:55 PM

NigerianCane
But that was CB's market value. Huston would have gave him that.

Posted by: NigerianCane | July 13, 2014 at 11:57 PM

Agreed. Lose Bosh and you:

1) At best, if everyone else still signed, have a team that barely makes the playoffs.

2) It's a deterrent to other players signing with the team. The Heat might lose Deng, Anderson, and Chalmers.

3) You may lose Wade as well. That makes the Heat a lottery team.

In the case of #3, the Heat owe Cleveland a first round draft choice. It's a Top 10 protected pick this year and next, but by 2017 it will be Cleveland's.

WWIN

Posted by: NigerianCane | July 14, 2014 at 01:53 AM

The point is...Coker only won off of talent not off of nothing he did. Every team Riley had was already stacked before he got there

WWIN

Soup, you run Orlando right?? I ran thru a damn toll booth!

The Dude

So who’s next? UM is in the mix for Neville Gallimore, a 6-foot-3, 300-pound four-star DT from St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada.

Posted by: UMike | July 14, 2014 at 07:41 AM

This kid is a stud. Reminds me of Marvin Austin. He's raw but is a physical freak like Allen Bailey was.

The Dude

Posted by: Willie Will in Missouri | July 15, 2014 at 01:17 AM

Riley built the Heat.

WWIN

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Lebron built the heat!

AfriCane

Willie, u r attempting to defend one outlandish statement with another. Riley built the heat. 1st with wade & shaq & then brought Zo back from the nets to help. And then with the big 3 and co. And u obviously think it's a walk in the park managing great players. Managing great players in the pros is a lot different down coaching great college players , even if u just happen to fall into the players.

AfriCane

U r funny! U mean wade?

WWIN

NigerianCane, what happened that year of the first title the heat was given, did a coach get fired that same year? If yes, then why?

The big 3 had NOTHING to do with Riley! They even said that they did NOT want him as their coach! Lebron WANTED to play with Wade, he could care less about Riley!

If you think the heat woulda did what they did without Lebron you are INSANE!!

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