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September 03, 2014

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86Cane

86 is right man stop acting like 10 y/o who's had their toy taken. Stop tearing each other apart because you don't agree and try thinking about the other side...the one you don't agree with. Your ideas aren't always right guys damn. Yes I was wrong about Al and what? I'm going to the game Saturday and next Saturday. I love this team, but having a baby sure made me realize flipping out and "screaming" at each other on a blog really? This blog and you guys are a lot better than this. A guy still wants to give Al a chance, disagree say why make good points and that's it. I think all CFB coaches should get 5 years. Its all about the Canes always and forever!

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | September 03, 2014 at 08:20 PM

Terrance Sullivan

Let's go Canes. Beat FAMU. Canespace FAM have a blast and cheer our Canes to victory. See U Canespace FAM for the Duke game. Go Canes.

The Dude

3.

dg

Ed Reed on Showtime......Please help us!!!!!!!!

30CINCO

CINCO!

Will be there for #beatfamu

Let's go Canes!

Sarasota 'cane


But the insistence he'd automatically do that again is such a massive assumption.

I don't know how anyone can make it with such certainty

Posted by: Go Canes | September 03, 2014 at 08:21 PM

We can't make the assertion with Butch is true, but we can make the assertion with certainty that Al Golden will never win more than 10 games with these coordinators.

I like Al, but if he isn't going to make the hard decisions that are required of a head coach then he and his blind loyalty can hit the door with "his guys".

PB great that you're going to all the games. I'm hitting up the GT game and hopefully 1 or 2 home games, but if we finish this season the same way we finished last season then I'm done WASTING money on this crap. This isn't Little League, this is the Miami Hurricanes. There's no ribbon for showing up to a game. If nothing changes then nothing changes! Donna will continue to cash your checks as long as you continue to write them.

I was the RaRa fan until the end of Shannon's horrific tenure. I was afraid if all of us bloggers were too negative we'd lose recruits. The fact is this coaching staff can't coach them up anyway so it doesn't matter if we "lose" them. A 5 star stud would be a fool to come to UM with this crappy staff. We need a seismic change equivalent to what Auburn did.

And one last thing about Butch. Before the academic scandal at UNC he was poised to make a run at a 'ship. UNC is still ranked today in part because of Butch. I will also add that he was completely exonerated in said scandal. He is not the Messiah, but he would have won the game Monday night. Bobby Petrino would have beaten UL with our players if he had all summer to prepare.

If UM is going to fire Al this season or in 5 seasons it's not too soon to talk about who might replace him. BUTCH WANTS TO COACH THE CANES SO IT'S NOT DELUSIONAL TO DISCUSS HIM COMING BACK TO THE U! I didn't wake up last January and say "hey it sure would be cool if Butch came back"! I read an interview in the Miami Herald in which Butch said HE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HIS JOB BACK! If not Butch then who? I'm all ears. The DC at UGA will most likely be a HC next year. Why not here? Why not run this team with the same swagger that that the players of yesterday played with? I'm open for anything EXCEPT the status quo.

Posted by: Sarasota 'cane | September 03, 2014 at 09:32 PM

AeroCane

Sarasota - great post - thanks

CaneRock


From another site:

@PhillipBuchanon: My suggestions to our football team:

1. The 3-4 is based on re-routing and bringing pressure by blitzing different guys.

@PhillipBuchanon: - Receivers and TE’s need to be re-routed
- The D line needs to be more aggressive getting off the ball.

@PhillipBuchanon: Even moving around on the line instead of showing their hands right away and looking like robots with no real aggressiveness.

@PhillipBuchanon: The defensive-ends lining up on all fours is stupid, in my opinion, unless it's a short yardage or goal line situation.

@PhillipBuchanon: Challenge receivers. Try pressing or a press bail technique just right before the snap.

2. Zone dropping with better awareness on the QB by the LB's and DB's to break on the ball is a lot faster for short routes—@PhillipBuchanon: such as hitches, crossing routes & screens. The DB's and LB's need better eyes.

3. 1st & 15, 2nd & long or 3rd & long down and distances are screens and draws alert on regular downs or in 2min situations.

4. An Empty backfield is a quick game alert. Our defense needs to be trigger ready because the ball will come out quick.

5. An empty backfield in the red zone is a QB draw alert.

6. Disguising creates an opportunity for guys on the defensive line and linebackers to come scot-free on regular calls and blitzes—this could give the defensive lineman confidence down the road.

7. Change the snap count to give our O lineman an advantage.

8. On Offense, use 7 to 8 man max protection to give the freshman QB confidence and time to make good reads down the field.

9. Hire someone else as your special teams coach. Folden you need to study good NFL and College special teams coaches.

10. We also need someone who is fast on the kick off team to be the safety just in case someone breaks out(just like in the Louisville game

Posted by: SinisterCane | September 03, 2014 at 08:12 PM

Since PB put this out on social media, I'm wondering, does our staff even consult with former Canes/NFLers...

And I agree with #8, but I'll also add that we should check release to get more receivers out...but Coley should know this $h!t!

Mountain Cane

The offensive line couldn't run block or pass block. The D played well enough to win.

Is it Coley's fault? Kehoe's? I thought the Oline stunk last year also-----usually called a team strength and hasn't been anytime recently.

CaneRock

Mountain Cane...I said it earlier, but I think it was more missed assignments, than UM just gettin' whooped up front.

Lurker

So, if you think this through, in my opinion, unless Golden literally craps the bed, he's not going anywhere, especially after this year.

If I had money on the line, I would bet this is an 8-4 season. Will he get fired for that? No, I don't think so. 7-5? No. 6-6? Maybe, but the buyout would be expensive.

I'm not saying that he should or should not get fired or that I'm happy with the coaching situation as it relates to W & L's. What I'm trying to do is be realistic about the situation.

The best thing that could happen is the light goes on at Greentree and we tear through the schedule and the coaches start getting it right. 9-3 type of year. So people can say anything they want about Golden, but barring a catastrophe, he ain't getting fired. So we better hope he tears it up, opens it up, and gets it done.

That's just reality.

TonyCane

And one last thing about Butch. Before the academic scandal at UNC he was poised to make a run at a 'ship. UNC is still ranked today in part because of Butch. I will also add that he was completely exonerated in said scandal. He is not the Messiah, but he would have won the game Monday night. Bobby Petrino would have beaten UL with our players if he had all summer to prepare.

Posted by: Sarasota 'cane | September 03, 2014 at 09:32 PM

I agree...that 2011 team was set to be stacked. But it took Butch four years to assemble it, and during that time he was 28-23. Would Butch in Year Four of his tenure have beaten Louisville last night with a true freshmen quarterback? Maybe. He did start out 0-2, losing to LSU (11-2) and Georgia Tech (6-7).

Bottom line, it took Butch five years at Miami and would have taken him five years at North Carolina to compete for a national championship.

longtimecanefan

AG is on the clock this season, but odds are the next two games will have little or no effect. Don't read too much into them, although a loss would be a disaster for AG.

The following 8, with FSU, NEB, NC, Duke, VT, GT, etc will tell the story. I believe we lose at least 3 of them.

At 8-4 there may be a few changes, but doubt AG will be fired. 7-5, well depends on how bad the losses are but the fans will be leaving. At 6-6 or worse the fans and/or AG will bail....

As for Butch, Jimmy or who ever its way to early to guess.... best we enjoy the next two weeks and get the crying towels ready for the Nebraska game

CaneRock

8-4...He's pressin' His luck.

7-5 or 6-6...the fanbase AIN'T HAVIN' IT!...THIS AIN'T TEMPLE!

KYcane

Soup,

Check email

KYcane

Terrance,

Check email

CaneRock

7-5 or 6-6...the fanbase AIN'T HAVIN' IT!...THIS AIN'T TEMPLE!

Posted by: CaneRock | September 03, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Especially since next season would be considered our "drop-off" season for Ws & Ls. And trust me, the SoFlo media will ask these questions if we win less than 9 or 8 games...it's gonna be tough for Golden to explain 3 consecutive years of declining wins.

TonyCane

As for Butch, Jimmy or who ever its way to early to guess.... best we enjoy the next two weeks and get the crying towels ready for the Nebraska game

Posted by: longtimecanefan | September 03, 2014 at 10:04 PM

Jimmy - No way

Butch - Maybe, but Butch had his own NCAA problems too.

More likely:

Jedd Fisch
Ken Dorsey
Ray Lewis

Sarasota 'cane

Bottom line, it took Butch five years at Miami and would have taken him five years at North Carolina to compete for a national championship.

Posted by: TonyCane | September 03, 2014 at 10:00 PM

If Al is not the guy then the 5 year clock hasn't even started yet. And I don't think it would take Butch (or any good coach) more than 2 years to have us all smiling again given the talent already on the team and the kids from area schools that are in the pipeline thanks to Al.

It wouldn't be unprecedented to switch coaches under the circumstances either. Florida got rid of Zook and brought in Meyer and then won 2 titles. OSU fired Cooper and brought in Sweater Vest and won a title. Alabama dumped Shula for Saban and won two titles. All those schools were stacked with talent and recruits and just needed a HC that knew how to coach them up. This Miami team is in the same position right now.

Local kids still want to play for UM I believe, but they're not going to keep coming if these coaches are unable to coach them up. This team needs a jolt. They used to end games like UL in the 1st or 2nd quarter on a regular basis for a long period of time. I've seen nothing from Al that would suggest that he can get us back to being a force so I'm not sure why we wouldn't start to look for his replacement.

dj moonbat

So, if you think this through, in my opinion, unless Golden literally craps the bed, he's not going anywhere, especially after this year.

Posted by: Lurker | September 03, 2014 at 09:52 PM


If he literally craps the bed, who's gonna know besides maybe Mrs. Golden? Are you saying she'd make him leave MIami just for that? She seems too nice for that.

CaneRock

I don't see UM hiring Butch Davis, not as long as Shalala's in charge. The only coach with UM ties that I see UM hiring, is Tuberville.

KYcane

Anybody need an extra ticket for Saturday?

lower bowl sect 130

CaneRock

More likely:

Jedd Fisch
Ken Dorsey
Ray Lewis

Posted by: TonyCane | September 03, 2014 at 10:37 PM

Jedd Fisch is the reason we had to start a true frosh.

Ken Dorsey?...too green right now.

Ray Lewis?...what you sprinkled in ya' Fruit Loops this morning TonyCane...<<<< In my Gary Coleman "Whatchu Talkin' Bout' Willis" voice...

TonyCane

Actually, the dream candidate to get those recruits....THE ROCK.

SinisterCane

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SinisterCane

Golden has won more game at Temple than Miami

SJMPARMAN

A loss is always tough to take. It was last December and so again it is in September. I am surprised by the over reaction to it. Don't misunderstand. I am not an Al Golden supporter. I pretty much gave up on him when he turned our defense into the laughing stock of the country in 2012 with a roster that was not devoid of talent. But I still watch every game just as I have since the late 1970s. I don't have to be a fan of him to be a fan of the team. The only good thing is that I have learned to lower my expectations and no longer dream of a national championship anymore. Sad but true. But really, I did not come here to pile on.

I actually saw some promise on the defensive side of the ball. Guys were in position for the scheme they were playing. Now I hate the scheme and all but the guys played their assignments and made some great plays. That is what should have been the talk after the game. No coach gets fired after game one. Not even Gerry Faust. Once you make the decision to keep a guy on for the year, you don't can any guy after game one. It is not in your best interest as a team, it is not fair to the guy, and it is not fair to the players. Those guys in uniform play for themselves but they also play for the fans. It really isn't fair to them to create this type of turmoil over one loss.

Unless the guy has a losing record or embarrasses the University, I am a believer that EVERY coach gets five years. By the end of five years, the coach has a full recruiting class if you consider red shirts. No excuses at that point, although if you are a good coach you man up and NEVER make any excuse and you never throw players under the bus by saying they are too young. Because if they really are too young you got no dang business putting them on the field to begin with and that is on the coach for doing so.

I don't want to recreate the whole Randy Shannon debate but he wasn't given five years. That set the precedent for why fans believe they should fire Al in year four because quite frankly, the records are not that dissimilar. In terms of signature wins, Golden's may be slightly worse.

On offense, I think everyone should really look closely at that second half. On the one long ball, it floated almost worse than some of Jacory's passes. Brad took some shots during the game, and although I don't know it one way or the other, I think he may have been hurt. Think about how short he was on some of those medium range throws as well. If so, that explains some of the strategy decisions. Those throws in the second half were nothing like the high school tape I saw of him. On a side note, Brad had some great receivers in California and he also has some here too. I don't think we will see another game like that from him.

I just wanted to weigh in now that the furor is dying down to some extent. It will get better. Whether it gets turned around will be decided on the field and not in the blogosphere. The glass is neither half empty or half full, it is being filled as we speak and time will tell. No sense getting worked up about it now.

TonyCane

It wouldn't be unprecedented to switch coaches under the circumstances either. Florida got rid of Zook and brought in Meyer and then won 2 titles. OSU fired Cooper and brought in Sweater Vest and won a title. Alabama dumped Shula for Saban and won two titles. All those schools were stacked with talent and recruits and just needed a HC that knew how to coach them up. This Miami team is in the same position right now.

Posted by: Sarasota 'cane


Meyers inherited a team that was relatively stocked. Golden inherited a team that was extremely top-heavy..i.e. the best talent by far were seniors and juniors.

http://www.tomahawknation.com/2011/5/5/2154722/miami-hurricanes-2010-recruiting-class-already-a-failure

Theoretically, if Golden did leave his team would be much more balanced than what he took command of. The next coach could see instant success.

Sarasota 'cane

None of those coaches mentioned are a substantial upgrade over Golden (Ray Lewis is just bat-shit-crazy!). Also Donna wasn't the President when Butch left before so I can't see any reason why she wouldn't consider him if there was an opening.

We can only get a guy like Butch BECAUSE of the UNC scandal. Bobby Petrino has done a fantastic job reinventing himself post scandal and Butch didn't do anything nearly as controversial. I don't believe that Butch will be available by next January. If we don't get him then some other team will. Imagine if UF fired Muschamp and then went and hired Butch! We'd go nuts!

TonyCane

I just wanted to weigh in now that the furor is dying down to some extent. It will get better. Whether it gets turned around will be decided on the field and not in the blogosphere. The glass is neither half empty or half full, it is being filled as we speak and time will tell. No sense getting worked up about it now.

Posted by: SJMPARMAN | September 03, 2014 at 11:13 PM

I agree. I was hoping for a win but not exactly expecting it on Monday. We should realistically expect an 8-4 regular season record, especially starting a redshirt freshmen. Next year is when the team makes the leap into 10+ wins and is restored as a contender. Next year there are no excuses.

I try not to overreact too. Fortunately I'm not a GM. I wanted Butch gone after the UCLA loss, after the FSU loss, and after the Syracuse loss.

pbcfrcane13

I'm not saying you can't stop spending your money on the team or be negative towards the team. He'll disagree with each other that's what sports is about. It's the disagree and name calling and ripping and blindness to totally calling as person names because they don't agree with your view points when they do bring up logical points. But going to call out names you've read the list on here. That's all I'm saying. I was one of the last ones to finally bail on Shannon.....I think all cfb coaches should get 5 years. That's when there first recruiting tell recruiting class are seniors, but I get why at this point with the lack of on field adjustments people are over it.

CaneRock

Point blank...if this Golden thing doesn't work out, it's Shalala's fault. If we get in a situation where we have to hire a new coach, She needs to be shut out of the process.

Sarasota 'cane

Theoretically, if Golden did leave his team would be much more balanced than what he took command of. The next coach could see instant success.

Posted by: TonyCane | September 03, 2014 at 11:14 PM

That was my point. A good coach could come in and turn UM around in a relatively short period of time. And UM doesn't owe Golden a fifth year since he tried to leave UM for PSU. It's a built-in excuse to get rid of him for an administration with the balls to play that card. Golden cashed in all of his "loyalty chips" when he came scampering back after getting dumped by PSU.
You only bring Golden back for a 5th year if you think he can win. I don't think he can right now. Maybe I'll change my tune in a few weeks but I doubt it. UM was 0-19 on 3rd down conversions between the bowl game and last Monday night before they finally converted late in the game. That's the kind of stat that a punching bag school like FAMU has.

gene kissane

I have not missed a game in 36 years. Please put that in perspective when you assess my comments. I will not be there on Saturday as I've lived through Shannon, Coker and this absolute incompetent group. Anybody who supports them God bless you and I think you're right, actually. I've had enough and all you have to do is go back and watch the offensive coordinator's game plan. Where are Whipple and Nix when you need them? 1 3rd down conversion against this team in two games and think of the talent on our side of the ball. That guy shouldn't be selling tickets at the stadium let alone be calling our offense. Florida State let him go without any difficulty for a reason and everybody has seen that reason most clearly this past Monday evening. They should be putting together a dodge ball game and deciding shirts and skins. These are glorified gym teachers and anybody who thinks differently go back and watch the game. I'm not a fair weathered fan. Rather I'm just tired and plan embarrassed.

TonyCane

Everyone is making good points. However for perspective...if Canespace had been around in 1999 what would have been the reaction after the East Carolina loss? Or the FSU loss (5th consecutive)? Or the VA Tech loss, where true freshman Ken Dorsey played for the first time and was obliterated? Would Butch have made it to the 2000 season?

And for that matter, what would have been the reaction in 2000 after the Washington loss?

Sarasota 'cane

Posted by: gene kissane | September 03, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Can't blame you. There's only so much you can take when you realize the administration makes no effort to improve the product. The fact that we still debate whether Coker, or Shannon, or Golden is the worst coach ever shows how low the team has sunk as a whole. It's a dumpster fire.

The Dude

Imagine if UF fired Muschamp and then went and hired Butch! We'd go nuts!

Posted by: Sarasota 'cane | September 03, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Stop it! That scared me a lot!

Sarasota 'cane

Posted by: TonyCane | September 03, 2014 at 11:47 PM

I see your point but it's moot. Butch is a proven commodity regardless of how we would have treated him 20 years ago. Butch has been through a lot and I guarantee he's more humble and he's obviously still hungry. Those are dangerous qualities to have for a football coach. If he can forgive UM then UM should forgive him.

The Dude

The "Fire Al Golden banner" is at $510/$1,000. They say they will fly it at the FSU game. I think they'll hit their goal by the end of the week.

CaneRock

And for that matter, what would have been the reaction in 2000 after the Washington loss?

Posted by: TonyCane | September 03, 2014 at 11:47 PM

While Dorsey had a rough start in that game, that was a BS PI call after that goal-line stand by UM.

The FSU loss?...I knew we were outmatched going into that game, but that game right there told me we were closing the gap.

The ECU game?...KK pissed me off.

The VT game?...I honestly don't recall that game.

I'm sure there were Butch Detractors during that era, but I didn't have time to be one...I was bustin' my @$$ working 2 or 3 jobs.

CaneRock

And we flew a "Fire Butch" banner over the stadium, that didn't prompt the administration to panic and fire em'...like Shalala panicked and fired Randy Shannon.

Sarasota 'cane


Stop it! That scared me a lot!

Posted by: The Dude | September 03, 2014 at 11:57 PM

I have a feeling that Butch will be recruiting 305 talent next season either for UM or someone else. I don't care what team it is. Do you know how dumb and helpless we will feel if he starts pulling South Florida talent away from The U again, knowing that we had 1st dibs on the guy?

dj moonbat

Everyone is making good points. However for perspective...if Canespace had been around in 1999 what would have been the reaction after the East Carolina loss? Or the FSU loss (5th consecutive)? Or the VA Tech loss, where true freshman Ken Dorsey played for the first time and was obliterated? Would Butch have made it to the 2000 season?

Posted by: TonyCane | September 03, 2014 at 11:47 PM


To me, there's a crucial difference. UM got Butch Davis (a legacy hire) at a time when UM had been ditched by Erickson (an opportunistic outsider). UM has Golden (an opportunistic outsider) now because UM fired Randy Shannon, who had dedicated a significant portion of his life to UM football for the past couple decades.

Now, either they fired Randy because winning was super-important to them and they just couldn't wait to see whether he could right the ship, or for some other, much less acceptable reason. I'll chalk it up to the desire to win. So now, here we are, 'Canes still not winning.

If you are willing to turn on your own in search of victories after just four years, you sure as hell ought to be willing to turn on some guy from Penn State.

WWIN

Posted by: TonyCane | September 03, 2014 at 10:00 PM

It took Butch 5yrs here bcuz of sanctions, it took him 5yrs at unc bcuz it's a basketball school, how long do you expect it to take? But I betcha it wouldn't take him 5yrs here without sanctions!!!!

The Dude

I think giving anyone 5 years is crazy! By year 3 you better show me something, I'm not going to let my program wallow for another 2 years after.

CaneRock

If you are willing to turn on your own in search of victories after just four years, you sure as hell ought to be willing to turn on some guy from Penn State.

Posted by: dj moonbat | September 04, 2014 at 12:14 AM

YUP!

Sarasota 'cane

And we flew a "Fire Butch" banner over the stadium, that didn't prompt the administration to panic and fire em'...like Shalala panicked and fired Randy Shannon.

Posted by: CaneRock | September 04, 2014 at 12:09 AM

I'm not concerned with the way we would have treated Butch 20 years ago, he's proven himself since then.

Do you think the Jets would like to have Pete Carroll back?
Do you think the Browns would like to have Bill Bellicheck back?

This a very unique opportunity for UM that will not be available forever.

If we get "K-Stated" by Nebraska then I'm not sure what I'll do. I'm not sure there's much we can do besides withhold our money, blog, use Twitter, write letters, etc. I have a feeling something will give that day whether it's positive or negative.

WWIN

Posted by: dj moonbat | September 04, 2014 at 12:14 AM

Damn that was a GREAT post!!!!

You've been making a whole lot of sense since Monday night!! Lol

WWIN

Sarasota, PREACH!!!!!!

Stanley Baldwin

Jim Leavitt would be twice the coach Butch Davis would be. He's built a team from the ground up and he has the fire to whip this talent into shape....plus he knows South Florida.

He is, by far, the best choice to turn this program around.

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