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SOUP

Sold one!

WWIN

It wasnt this way before they got here.

Posted by: The Dude | October 25, 2014 at 03:40 AM

#TrueStory

dj moonbat

75th Percentile 1420
25th Percentile 1270

Do you understand this stat?

Explain it to me.

Posted by: Lurker | October 25, 2014 at 04:34 PM


It means that you were wrong to say that 1300 was a minimum.

SOUP

TAP, TAP, TAP...is this thing on?

I said NEW blog was up!

SOUP

NEW BLOG IS UP!

1mg of Epi

Thanks. The stats actually do prove something. They're publishing verifiable data on their web page. It's a mathematically quantifiable opinion.

Posted by: Lurker | October 25, 2014 at 05:43

True. And Not. The stats give us a measurable quantity. True. However to call those stats selective would require another statistic to quantify against.

Eh.. Lets just blame it on beer.

As an aside, did chad Thomas play Thursday?

Lurker

That closes the topic for further discussion, ladies and gentlemen.

SOUP

Damn, I am 0-2.

Go Canes

In summary, my position on this matter is

SOUP

1. Purple is not only a fantastic color, it is, according to Gaussian distribution, WAAAAY more selective than green.

2. Not only is your opinion wrong, but you're a bad person!!

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | October 25, 2014 at 05:34 PM

1. I verified this as TRUE on Wikipedia.

2. I verified this as TRUE by Mrs. SOUP.

SOUP

The probability of this happening is quite small. : )

Posted by: BEERicane | October 25, 2014 at 05:30 PM

SIGH...this is true.

Lurker

What is your medical specialty? Where did you go to medical school? If you went to UM medical school, and/or did your internship/residency there, I may know you.

1mg of Epi

UMs stats prove nothing on their own... They just support a subjective opinion. that being said Lurker i agree w u.

SOUP- purple is not only a fantastic color, it is, according to Gaussian distribution, WAAAAY more selective than green. Not only is your opinion wrong, but you're a bad person!!

Lurker

BEERicane
in the simplest terms.

It means: that of students admitted, 25% had a 1420 SAT out of a perfect 1600, 50% had between 1270 and 1470, and 75% had higer than 1270.

INCORRECT (though your description of the data ranges themselves are spot on)! It is the data of the matriculated freshman. Not that of the accepted.

Posted by: BEERicane | October 25, 2014 at 05:19 PM

It IS correct. You've lost the argument, and now you're desperately playing semantics.

"Admitted students" . That's a direct quote. So there's that. Matriculated is an irrelevant distinction anyway, because we're discussing admissions standards, not enrollments.

You may have a PhD, but you're not bringing your A game.

BEERicane

I am sure he would blitz U just out of spite?

Posted by: SOUP | October 25, 2014 at 05:26 PM

The probability of this happening is quite small. : )

USAFCane

Patterson at TCU sure has moved with the times. His offense is putting up major points. Great coach.

BEERicane

BEER...congratulations!

U have won "Instigator of the Day" award for generating the most comments opposing your opionon. Usually WWIN/M wins that award but he TRIES to win it. U did it all by posting complete and utter nonsense.

Way to go young man!!!

Posted by: SOUP | October 25, 2014 at 05:23 PM

Lol. Thanks! I will play resident contrarian from time to time to open up discussion. It's the best way to understand the issue at hand.

CaneRock


And back to the original claim of a 10% admission rate, that was way off and would be more in line with MIT, Duke, etc.

Posted by: BEERicane | October 25, 2014 at 05:13 PM

YES!

SOUP

It was in statistical mechanics and kinetics of polymer formation and complexation some enzymatics too.

Posted by: BEERicane | October 25, 2014 at 05:23 PM

Does D'Onofrio know that U are discussing this?

I am sure he would blitz U just out of spite?

SOUP

My goodness we need a new blog in the WORST way, right?

Lurker

Soup, think of bell curve and you're halfway there. He just put that in to deflect the argument

SOUP

BEER...congratulations!

U have won "Instigator of the Day" award for generating the most comments opposing your opionon. Usually WWIN/M wins that award but he TRIES to win it. U did it all by posting complete and utter nonsense.

Way to go young man!!!

BEERicane

What was your doctoral thesis on and what employ pent opportunities did it offer, or did you stay in academia?

Posted by: Lurker | October 25, 2014 at 05:16 PM

It was in statistical mechanics and kinetics of polymer formation and complexation some enzymatics too.

I could have gone the industry route. Decent opps, but didnt want to be a Poor Hungry Doctor (PhD) for all my life and vulnerable to R&D cuts. So I decided to become a Money Doctor (MD) afterward.

Lurker

Soup - UM's own admission data proves its selective in terms of students accepted and the distribution of SAT scores and high school class rankings with respect to the general population of college qualified high school students.

No, it's not an Ivy or Duke or Stanford but nobody's arguing that

SOUP

I think I may have Gaussian Distribution in my left eye and right lung. Is that bad? Can it be cured???

BEERicane

in the simplest terms.

It means: that of students admitted, 25% had a 1420 SAT out of a perfect 1600, 50% had between 1270 and 1470, and 75% had higer than 1270.

INCORRECT (though your description of the data ranges themselves are spot on)! It is the data of the matriculated freshman. Not that of the accepted.

SOUP

Some people just like to argue? OK, now I get it.

I like green.

Purple sucks.

Please discuss?

Lurker

Lurker
Lol Beer. Tell me your experience with college applications to UM

From your own link to UM:

75th Percentile 1420
25th Percentile 1270

Do you understand this stat?

Explain it to me.

Posted by: Lurker | October 25, 2014 at 04:34 PM

I'll let you study normal/Gaussian distributions and that should be pretty self-explanatory.
Posted by: BEERicane | October 25, 2014 at 04:46 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^

You still haven't told me so let me put it out there in the simplest terms.

It means: that of students admitted, 25% had a 1420 SAT out of a perfect 1600, 50% had between 1270 and 1470, and 75% had higer than 1270.

That fits my criteria of hard to get into. Not as hard as the Ivies or Duke, or the California system, but comparatively very hard compared to all colleges. You must be arguing this from the perspective someone who has a PhD in ohysical chemistry, which must mean you were in the top 1% of the science majors at UM to even get into the program.

What was your doctoral thesis on and what employ pent opportunities did it offer, or did you stay in academia?

SOUP

BEER....WHAT COLOR IS BLUE?

SOUP

OMG, now we arguing that UM is easy to get in?

Next let's argue if the sun sets in the West?

READY, SET, GO!

BEERicane

And back to the original claim of a 10% admission rate, that was way off and would be more in line with MIT, Duke, etc.

SOUP

Just got home. New blog at 7 PM.

1mg of Epi

Arguing that something is "selective" based only on the statistics of that same something is invalid. Selectivity can only be quantified based on a comparison to another something. What is the quantitative baseline of selectivity?

I'm suddenly longing for the good old days of hater/bootlicker brannigans.

BEERicane

I'm not about to make the leap from acceptance rates/profiles to educational quality or prestiege or rankings....

I know what you are saying GC, but the data for UMs applicant pool does not support/describe the scenario you are proposing.

Old school ~1160SAT and let's say 3.5GPA is not exactly stringent criteria coming out of HS. It's not like they are all attending Ransom (for a Miami reference), Bronx Science, St Johns for high school.

trianglecane

TOP schools in the ACC

Duke #8
ND #16
UVA #23
Wake #27
UNC #30 non-athletes
BC #31
GT #35
UM #48
SU #58
CU #62
PITT #62
VT #71
FSU #95
NCST #95
UL #161
UNCG #189 http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/page+5

Go Canes

I disagree. If out of 100 applications you have 80 quality applicants and take forty, it's not easy by definition.

I think that's the case when you have a lesser quantity, but likely much more qualified, pool of students.

BEERicane

I didn't know of you even were familiar with such a distribution of data since you were seemingly requiring an explanation.

CaneRock

I knew BEER was playin' possum...tell em' again BEER LMAO!

Lurker

Ooooooh "Gaussian" distribution, I give up lol. Throwing that out doesn't strengthen your argument because I'm your huckleberry. I know what Gaussian distribution is. It's a basic statistical principle from high school statistics. Nice try, though.

BEERicane

1750 is roughly 583 per subject. That's roughly an 1160 with the old scoring system. That's not asking too much.

PhD is from The U.

BEERicane

You are absolutely correct GC. In the end I'll never be convinced with any of the data presented coupled with an overall 40% acceptance rate that getting in to UM is tough. It's not.

Lurker

You are completely misreading that graph. 1750 out of 2400 is a super low threshold for a select group of students with other "holistic" accomplishments. A mere handful of students get in with that low of a score. You clearly are not understanding the quantitative message on the graph.

Congratulations on your PhD in physical chemistry, one. of the hardest undergrad courses I've taken. I'm guessing that only a few hundred physical chemistry PhDs are handed out each year in the U.S. What school did you get it from?

Go Canes

I'm not dogging UNC, I understand it's a top-flight school. I've been to the campus and it is absolutely beautiful to top it all off.

But by virtue of being a public university it is automatically going to have a far higher number of applicants who can afford to go there on the off chance they are accepted.

Admission percentage has more to do, in my opinion, with the number of applications received not the percentage of them accepted.


BEERicane

Lurker
Lol Beer. Tell me your experience with college applications to UM

From your own link to UM:

75th Percentile 1420
25th Percentile 1270

Do you understand this stat?

Explain it to me.

Posted by: Lurker | October 25, 2014 at 04:34 PM

I'll let you study normal/Gaussian distributions and that should be pretty self-explanatory.

BEERicane

That's a subjective comment by the author. Also, ever hear of New College?Read and understand the graph.

Posted by: Lurker | October 25, 2014 at 04:36 PM

I sure have. In fact, my lab mate at UC Berkeley in the great Lewis Hall graduated from New College. Still doesn't change my opinion.

Lurker

GC - UNC is an excellent academic institution that's very hard to get into, especially if you're from out of state. It's in the top 10 of state schools in terms of academic reputation. Unfortunately, it's in the shadow of one of the best academic institutions like Duke. A Duke grafuate doesn't need to feel academivpcally inferior to a Ivy Leagur graduate.

BEERicane

Beer: read article, study the graph, and tell me how UM is not selective. No offense, you have no idea what you're talking about. How hard is it to get into UM - pretty hard. Not Ivy League hard, but hard. If you can decipher the data, you'll see.

CR - since you made a comment, let me respond. Don't jump in unless you feel like this is not beyond your depth.
Posted by: Lurker | October 25, 2014 at 04:28 PM

I'll tell you how I interpret the data (guess what, I have a PhD in physical chemistry) - one kid got in with around a 15ACT/1050SAT. Remember the SAT is out of 2400 now. Embarassing. And it looks like the overall threshold to be accepted with a reasonable chance is roughly just north of 3.2GPA and 26ACT/1750SAT. Again, not too difficult. Thanks for helping me make my point, Lurker!

1mg of Epi

UF could reject a greater % of applicants and still be less selective because the minimum standards are lower. Which they are, or at least they were back in the day.

Regardless, the gators suck and watching them fall into their pit of irrelevance has been quite enjoyable.

Lurker

The university is one of the most selective in Florida.

^thats a pretty low standard

Posted by: BEERicane | October 25, 2014 at 04:30 PM

That's a subjective comment by the author. Also, ever hear of New College?Read and understand the graph.

Lurker

Lol Beer. Tell me your experience with college applications to UM

From your own link to UM:

75th Percentile 1420
25th Percentile 1270

Do you understand this stat?

Explain it to me.

1mg of Epi

But UF must have 10x the applications

Go Canes

UNC is a public university with tuition that's a fraction of ours.

My overall point is if youre applying to UM it's because you have the grades and money to get in. Some of these other schools can get 10s of thousands of applicants who have NO shot of getting in.

BEERicane

The university is one of the most selective in Florida.

^thats a pretty low standard

BEERicane

UF actually accepts a similar %age of applicants as Miami.

Lurker

Discussion of the University of Miami's Admissions Standards:

Well over half of the students who apply to the University of Miami get rejected. The university is one of the most selective in Florida. To get in, you're probably going to need grades and test scores that are well above average. In the graph above, the blue and green data points represent accepted students. You can see that most successful applicants had averages in the "A" range, SAT scores of about 1750 or higher, and ACT composite scores of 25 or higher. Higher grades and test scores significantly improve your chances of being admitted.

Note that there are quite a few red and yellow dots (rejected and waitlisted students) hidden behind the green and blue in all but the upper right corner of the graph. Many students who had grades and test scores that were on target for the University of Miami did not get in. Note also that a few students were accepted with test scores and grades below the norm. This is because the University of Miami, like many of the country's most selective private universities, has holistic admissions and uses The Common Application. The admissions folks are interested in much more than numerical data. Rigorous high school courses, strong extracurricular involvement, glowing letters of recommendation, and a winning application essay are all important parts of Miami's admissions equation.

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/GPA-SAT-ACT-Graphs/ss/university-of-miami-admission-gpa-sat-act.htm

Beer: read article, study the graph, and tell me how UM is not selective. No offense, you have no idea what you're talking about. How hard is it to get into UM - pretty hard. Not Ivy League hard, but hard. If you can decipher the data, you'll see.

CR - since you made a comment, let me respond. Don't jump in unless you feel like this is not beyond your depth.

Go Canes

UM is not a high application school like UF or FSU who may have five times or more applicants.

So if they get 60, 70 or even 80,000 applicants and take 15-20,000 kids their acceptance rate is in the 20-35% range, much lower than ours.

But there's no way the quality of the average accepted kid is higher than the U's.

BEERicane

I re-read your post GC. I don't think you were commenting about UM in particular. Agree in full.

BTW... UNC accepts a lower %age of applicants than UM.

BEERicane

GC, I agree with what you are saying overall but where is the "low acceptance rate?"

BEERicane

And that's just the 10% of people who are admitted and enroll. I'm sure the remainder of the 40% are lower score-wise. This is because UM gives a lot of scholly $ to the great stat kids to significantly offset the cost of attendance. Those that make up the remainder of the 40% who do not enroll arent foolish enough to spend that kind of $$ on an overpriced education. So they go else where. This is classic skimming off the top. Nothing wrong with it, but even those skimmed kids in the top quartile don't have that impressive stats in all honesty.

Go Canes

Low acceptance rate simply means that the school is popular with applicants. But it does not necessarily mean that the threshold for acceptance is higher or lower than that of a school with a higher acceptance rate.

1mg of Epi

However difficult it is, they took one look at my transcripts and.. Well... They may still be laughing. Relegated to a state school was I. Wasn't until my college years that I became the scholarly gentleman u know today.

BEERicane

http://www.miami.edu/admission/index.php/undergraduate_admission/apply/freshman/

Nothing on here to convince me it's uber difficult to be admitted.

CaneRock

Damn London screwed up. How do you get a 12 men penalty, after a TO.

CaneRock

LMAO! Tell em' BEER. I assume that UM admits that many students, knowing that tuition, among other things, is gonna drive down enrollment...no?

KYcane

...here's who to root for today and next week:

NC over UVA
Pitt over Ga. Tech
Clemson over Syracuse
Posted by: LB | October 25, 2014 at 12:50 PM

1 down & 3 to go, although Pitt seems to be laying an egg

Lurker

You have to look at metrics that describe incoming freshmen SAT/ACT scores, GPA's and class rankings.

40% means little if only top students are applying.

UMZed1313

Wow Pitt 5 possessions 4 fumbles GT up 28-0

BEERicane

It's not. I'm sorry, but a 40% acceptance rate is pretty high. It's not super selective by any means.

Lurker

LOL - it's not that tough to get in.

WRONG.

Lurker

UNC wins!!

SOUP

Got in

SOUP

I graduated top 10% in high school, had a 1150 SAT AND GO IN BUT THAT WAS 1981, NOT 2014. UM is a completely different animal now as compared to then. Still, I graduated UM with honors and a 3.7 gpa

BEERicane

10% admission rate is really the enrollment rate. They accept about 40% of applicants. It's not that tough to get in...

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-miami-1536

SOUP

Lurker...you are also mostly correct. UM does have one of the best academic support depts and their compliance dept was beefed up after the Shapiro thing.

Lurker

But the point is VA that that people that complain that entrance requirements are too high are just wrong. Unless you're trying to maje up 4 years of high school in one month you're good at UM.

You'pr example is not even in the ballpark because they don't need to be anywhere near that academically good. For football, that example would get you nominated for all-Academic ACC.

WWIN

unc 28 VA 27

4th qtr 2:40 left

WWIN

I only got in because. WWIM new some peeps who knew some peeps. LOL

Posted by: SOUP | October 25, 2014 at 03:36 PM

Even back then! Lol

WWIN

KACHING!!!!!

#uncGame

VA Cane

Thats why I despise FSU UF etc....Jimbo saying he loves those kids...BS! Cause they making him money, but they are a bunch dumbasses who should be pumping gas. Thats why you need some type of developmental league so guys can get experience then go pro....and not waste taxpayer money for schlorships and places that should go to real students and real student athletes. I worked, played ball, went to every class and graduated on time with A History/Econ teaching degree with a 3.3 in my major. Not claiming to be Einstein, but damn I worked for it and did well. That cronyism for athletes is wrong.

Lurker

That's right. Unless you're a top student, don't bother.

But as far as football players, just go to class and give it a half try in high school. You'll get in. The admissions and academic folks will work hard with you and make it as easy as possible. Unfortunately every year there's one or so that just don't even put in the effort to get things in order.

WWIN

Just what the doctor ordered!

#uncGame

CaneRock

Admits?...or enrolls?

SOUP

I only got in because. WWIM new some peeps who knew some peeps. LOL

VA Cane

At one point they had something like almost 50% of their players listed as special needs/ learning disabled.

That is not what college is for; how can you justify letting these people in yet you deny people who have the scores and grades. Not everyone is entitled or guaranteed a college education, and damned if they should be given one if they cannot do the work...but can play football. You know those guys do not go to class....same as UNC. BS BS!!!

I thought Deon bush stepped up and played a nice game; he stuck a couple people.

If you get a chance, check Anthony Harris out from UVA. He just put a monster lick on the big UNC back....guy kept coming and Anthony wrapped him up. Boy is a big back, but Harris is a big hitter tackler!!!!

Wonder who taught him that? On yea VAC!!!!!!
I was proud of Bush he did a nice job!!!

SOUP

Go Canes...that stat is correct on the % of apps UM admits.

1mg of Epi

Thanks Ohio, GC and Lurker... I've heard the complaint before and often wondered if it had any merit.

Go Canes

UM accepts only about 10% of its over 20,000 applicants every year.

Lurker

Gore was severely dyslexic.

I can tell you this fir sure: Gore worked as hard as anybody on his academics at the U. That's well known. I'm not saying he was going to be a rocket scientist, but the kids tried.

To get into the U, all you have to do is give a halfass effort in high school. That's all. It's the guys that never crack a book, have other people do their work, don't take all the required classes (scrambling at the end - you've seen it before), and are systemically passed and allowed to do zero academics, that have trouble getting in. Those are the guys that end up at WVU or FSU

A regular student at the U will need a minimum 1350 SAT (3 part around 2,000), GPA around 3.7 minimum (non inflated, no A's above 4.0) to be considered.

Da U N Houston

1. Cortel Jenkins was a great find! Great at the point of attack.
2. If Gus's confidence continues he could be a really good back. Starting to run behind his pads and is not going down with the first contact.
3. O-line is really starting to gel.

Dude on a Pale Horse

With all due respect to him, have U heard Gore speak? He DOES have a learning disability.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | October 25, 2014 at 02:42 PM

Yeah, seems that way to me also.

TonyCane

K-State is so annoying...12 JUCOs on their two-deep this year.

Ohio_Cane

With all due respect to him, have U heard Gore speak? He DOES have a learning disability.

UMZed1313

If we don't put 50 on UNC that's going to be sad. This D is terrible!

Dude on a Pale Horse

The put them down as having learning disabilities. I think we did that with Frank Gore, but its all on the up and up.

1mg of Epi

Oh ok! I don't know why I thought he had academic issues. Yea, if he's still here have to assume he will be here next year.

FSU was listing half their players special needs?!?! What a horrible insult to special needs people everywhere lol!

SOUP

State schpols especially FSU HAVE MUCH LOWER admission standards. At one point they had something like almost 50% of their players listed as special needs/ learning disabled.

Go Canes

Think at this point it's pretty obvious AQM will be back next year. If not I'd assume he would've long ago transferred.

SOUP

Hey, I'm. Working ova heya! LOL

WWIN

Posted by: LB | October 25, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Thanks for the info!

WWIN

Can y'all just grow the F up? Lol

Posted by: 360Cane | October 25, 2014 at 07:09 AM

Can you just make a donation?

Thanks!

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