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October 23, 2014

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SOUP

Go Canes...that stat is correct on the % of apps UM admits.

VA Cane

At one point they had something like almost 50% of their players listed as special needs/ learning disabled.

That is not what college is for; how can you justify letting these people in yet you deny people who have the scores and grades. Not everyone is entitled or guaranteed a college education, and damned if they should be given one if they cannot do the work...but can play football. You know those guys do not go to class....same as UNC. BS BS!!!

I thought Deon bush stepped up and played a nice game; he stuck a couple people.

If you get a chance, check Anthony Harris out from UVA. He just put a monster lick on the big UNC back....guy kept coming and Anthony wrapped him up. Boy is a big back, but Harris is a big hitter tackler!!!!

Wonder who taught him that? On yea VAC!!!!!!
I was proud of Bush he did a nice job!!!

SOUP

I only got in because. WWIM new some peeps who knew some peeps. LOL

CaneRock

Admits?...or enrolls?

WWIN

Just what the doctor ordered!

#uncGame

Lurker

That's right. Unless you're a top student, don't bother.

But as far as football players, just go to class and give it a half try in high school. You'll get in. The admissions and academic folks will work hard with you and make it as easy as possible. Unfortunately every year there's one or so that just don't even put in the effort to get things in order.

VA Cane

Thats why I despise FSU UF etc....Jimbo saying he loves those kids...BS! Cause they making him money, but they are a bunch dumbasses who should be pumping gas. Thats why you need some type of developmental league so guys can get experience then go pro....and not waste taxpayer money for schlorships and places that should go to real students and real student athletes. I worked, played ball, went to every class and graduated on time with A History/Econ teaching degree with a 3.3 in my major. Not claiming to be Einstein, but damn I worked for it and did well. That cronyism for athletes is wrong.

WWIN

KACHING!!!!!

#uncGame

WWIN

I only got in because. WWIM new some peeps who knew some peeps. LOL

Posted by: SOUP | October 25, 2014 at 03:36 PM

Even back then! Lol

WWIN

unc 28 VA 27

4th qtr 2:40 left

Lurker

But the point is VA that that people that complain that entrance requirements are too high are just wrong. Unless you're trying to maje up 4 years of high school in one month you're good at UM.

You'pr example is not even in the ballpark because they don't need to be anywhere near that academically good. For football, that example would get you nominated for all-Academic ACC.

SOUP

Lurker...you are also mostly correct. UM does have one of the best academic support depts and their compliance dept was beefed up after the Shapiro thing.

BEERicane

10% admission rate is really the enrollment rate. They accept about 40% of applicants. It's not that tough to get in...

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-miami-1536

SOUP

I graduated top 10% in high school, had a 1150 SAT AND GO IN BUT THAT WAS 1981, NOT 2014. UM is a completely different animal now as compared to then. Still, I graduated UM with honors and a 3.7 gpa

SOUP

Got in

Lurker

UNC wins!!

Lurker

LOL - it's not that tough to get in.

WRONG.

BEERicane

It's not. I'm sorry, but a 40% acceptance rate is pretty high. It's not super selective by any means.

UMZed1313

Wow Pitt 5 possessions 4 fumbles GT up 28-0

Lurker

You have to look at metrics that describe incoming freshmen SAT/ACT scores, GPA's and class rankings.

40% means little if only top students are applying.

KYcane

...here's who to root for today and next week:

NC over UVA
Pitt over Ga. Tech
Clemson over Syracuse
Posted by: LB | October 25, 2014 at 12:50 PM

1 down & 3 to go, although Pitt seems to be laying an egg

CaneRock

LMAO! Tell em' BEER. I assume that UM admits that many students, knowing that tuition, among other things, is gonna drive down enrollment...no?

CaneRock

Damn London screwed up. How do you get a 12 men penalty, after a TO.

BEERicane

http://www.miami.edu/admission/index.php/undergraduate_admission/apply/freshman/

Nothing on here to convince me it's uber difficult to be admitted.

1mg of Epi

However difficult it is, they took one look at my transcripts and.. Well... They may still be laughing. Relegated to a state school was I. Wasn't until my college years that I became the scholarly gentleman u know today.

Go Canes

Low acceptance rate simply means that the school is popular with applicants. But it does not necessarily mean that the threshold for acceptance is higher or lower than that of a school with a higher acceptance rate.

BEERicane

And that's just the 10% of people who are admitted and enroll. I'm sure the remainder of the 40% are lower score-wise. This is because UM gives a lot of scholly $ to the great stat kids to significantly offset the cost of attendance. Those that make up the remainder of the 40% who do not enroll arent foolish enough to spend that kind of $$ on an overpriced education. So they go else where. This is classic skimming off the top. Nothing wrong with it, but even those skimmed kids in the top quartile don't have that impressive stats in all honesty.

BEERicane

GC, I agree with what you are saying overall but where is the "low acceptance rate?"

BEERicane

I re-read your post GC. I don't think you were commenting about UM in particular. Agree in full.

BTW... UNC accepts a lower %age of applicants than UM.

Go Canes

UM is not a high application school like UF or FSU who may have five times or more applicants.

So if they get 60, 70 or even 80,000 applicants and take 15-20,000 kids their acceptance rate is in the 20-35% range, much lower than ours.

But there's no way the quality of the average accepted kid is higher than the U's.

Lurker

Discussion of the University of Miami's Admissions Standards:

Well over half of the students who apply to the University of Miami get rejected. The university is one of the most selective in Florida. To get in, you're probably going to need grades and test scores that are well above average. In the graph above, the blue and green data points represent accepted students. You can see that most successful applicants had averages in the "A" range, SAT scores of about 1750 or higher, and ACT composite scores of 25 or higher. Higher grades and test scores significantly improve your chances of being admitted.

Note that there are quite a few red and yellow dots (rejected and waitlisted students) hidden behind the green and blue in all but the upper right corner of the graph. Many students who had grades and test scores that were on target for the University of Miami did not get in. Note also that a few students were accepted with test scores and grades below the norm. This is because the University of Miami, like many of the country's most selective private universities, has holistic admissions and uses The Common Application. The admissions folks are interested in much more than numerical data. Rigorous high school courses, strong extracurricular involvement, glowing letters of recommendation, and a winning application essay are all important parts of Miami's admissions equation.

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/GPA-SAT-ACT-Graphs/ss/university-of-miami-admission-gpa-sat-act.htm

Beer: read article, study the graph, and tell me how UM is not selective. No offense, you have no idea what you're talking about. How hard is it to get into UM - pretty hard. Not Ivy League hard, but hard. If you can decipher the data, you'll see.

CR - since you made a comment, let me respond. Don't jump in unless you feel like this is not beyond your depth.

BEERicane

UF actually accepts a similar %age of applicants as Miami.

BEERicane

The university is one of the most selective in Florida.

^thats a pretty low standard

Go Canes

UNC is a public university with tuition that's a fraction of ours.

My overall point is if youre applying to UM it's because you have the grades and money to get in. Some of these other schools can get 10s of thousands of applicants who have NO shot of getting in.

1mg of Epi

But UF must have 10x the applications

Lurker

Lol Beer. Tell me your experience with college applications to UM

From your own link to UM:

75th Percentile 1420
25th Percentile 1270

Do you understand this stat?

Explain it to me.

Lurker

The university is one of the most selective in Florida.

^thats a pretty low standard

Posted by: BEERicane | October 25, 2014 at 04:30 PM

That's a subjective comment by the author. Also, ever hear of New College?Read and understand the graph.

1mg of Epi

UF could reject a greater % of applicants and still be less selective because the minimum standards are lower. Which they are, or at least they were back in the day.

Regardless, the gators suck and watching them fall into their pit of irrelevance has been quite enjoyable.

BEERicane

Beer: read article, study the graph, and tell me how UM is not selective. No offense, you have no idea what you're talking about. How hard is it to get into UM - pretty hard. Not Ivy League hard, but hard. If you can decipher the data, you'll see.

CR - since you made a comment, let me respond. Don't jump in unless you feel like this is not beyond your depth.
Posted by: Lurker | October 25, 2014 at 04:28 PM

I'll tell you how I interpret the data (guess what, I have a PhD in physical chemistry) - one kid got in with around a 15ACT/1050SAT. Remember the SAT is out of 2400 now. Embarassing. And it looks like the overall threshold to be accepted with a reasonable chance is roughly just north of 3.2GPA and 26ACT/1750SAT. Again, not too difficult. Thanks for helping me make my point, Lurker!

Lurker

GC - UNC is an excellent academic institution that's very hard to get into, especially if you're from out of state. It's in the top 10 of state schools in terms of academic reputation. Unfortunately, it's in the shadow of one of the best academic institutions like Duke. A Duke grafuate doesn't need to feel academivpcally inferior to a Ivy Leagur graduate.

BEERicane

That's a subjective comment by the author. Also, ever hear of New College?Read and understand the graph.

Posted by: Lurker | October 25, 2014 at 04:36 PM

I sure have. In fact, my lab mate at UC Berkeley in the great Lewis Hall graduated from New College. Still doesn't change my opinion.

BEERicane

Lurker
Lol Beer. Tell me your experience with college applications to UM

From your own link to UM:

75th Percentile 1420
25th Percentile 1270

Do you understand this stat?

Explain it to me.

Posted by: Lurker | October 25, 2014 at 04:34 PM

I'll let you study normal/Gaussian distributions and that should be pretty self-explanatory.

Go Canes

I'm not dogging UNC, I understand it's a top-flight school. I've been to the campus and it is absolutely beautiful to top it all off.

But by virtue of being a public university it is automatically going to have a far higher number of applicants who can afford to go there on the off chance they are accepted.

Admission percentage has more to do, in my opinion, with the number of applications received not the percentage of them accepted.


Lurker

You are completely misreading that graph. 1750 out of 2400 is a super low threshold for a select group of students with other "holistic" accomplishments. A mere handful of students get in with that low of a score. You clearly are not understanding the quantitative message on the graph.

Congratulations on your PhD in physical chemistry, one. of the hardest undergrad courses I've taken. I'm guessing that only a few hundred physical chemistry PhDs are handed out each year in the U.S. What school did you get it from?

BEERicane

You are absolutely correct GC. In the end I'll never be convinced with any of the data presented coupled with an overall 40% acceptance rate that getting in to UM is tough. It's not.

BEERicane

1750 is roughly 583 per subject. That's roughly an 1160 with the old scoring system. That's not asking too much.

PhD is from The U.

Lurker

Ooooooh "Gaussian" distribution, I give up lol. Throwing that out doesn't strengthen your argument because I'm your huckleberry. I know what Gaussian distribution is. It's a basic statistical principle from high school statistics. Nice try, though.

CaneRock

I knew BEER was playin' possum...tell em' again BEER LMAO!

BEERicane

I didn't know of you even were familiar with such a distribution of data since you were seemingly requiring an explanation.

Go Canes

I disagree. If out of 100 applications you have 80 quality applicants and take forty, it's not easy by definition.

I think that's the case when you have a lesser quantity, but likely much more qualified, pool of students.

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