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October 06, 2014

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CaneRock

But I'll tell ya'll what's mind boggling... RandyWhisperer saying that RS got fired for hiring a "cheater" in one breath, and in another breath, He says RS got fired because nobody listened to His warnings...which one is it?

CaneRock

Ferman: You guys have obviously been struggling and that puts just an incredible microscope on everything you’re doing. Play by play people are looking at it, they’re stopping screens, they’re taking pictures of screens and posting them. In the world of social media now it’s going viral. They’ll look and say, like third and 2 play in both games, in Nebraska and GT, they’ll take a snap screen and they’ll show Denzel Perryman, for example, lined up 7 yards off the ball on third-and-1 or third-and-2 and the play will get converted and obviously that just opens up a snowstorm of critique and criticism and everything else. What would be the explanation for things like that that might be contributing to the struggles that you guys are having in situations like that in getting off the ball on third down. When you loaded up the line of scrimmage in that game the other night you were pretty successful from what I remember in most cases?

Golden: "So, Denzel’s depth is a function of the defense. So, depending on what we’re doing with our defensive tackles, [Perryman's] first gap may be outside of those guys. So he’s got to get to six yards. He should have never been seven [yards back] in the game, Gary. He was. And we tried to get him to move up during the game. We want him at six yards so he can scrape into the C gap. Any tighter than that and you’re getting cut by the guards constantly all game. If we want to play without a Mike, we can move him up to three yards and he’ll be on the ground the whole game – and I’ve seen teams do that. In terms of the Georgia Tech game, that was designed. He’s designed to be there. And you know the tackles and perhaps one of the OLBs who was blitzing is responsible for the dive. Many times he’s responsible for the dive but there are many times when we’re asking him to scrape fast because one of the OLBs are coming. Gary, I have no idea living in your world what picture [surfing Twitter] that was, but if he was back... I guess what I’m saying to you is we move him back in certain instances because we’re bringing one of the OLBs and that his first gap would be outside the OLB. I don’t know which play you’re talking about, but the last two years we beat that team, whatever, the last three years, running the same stuff. We got takeaways, we got third down stops, we got a fourth-down stop. And the offense in both years was I think 50-percent last year on third down, 60-something the year before out in Atlanta. That makes it a markedly different game, makes it markedly different. You’ve got to beat that team as a team. We didn’t play well enough on defense, we didn’t get off the field on defense and then the offense and special teams didn’t help the defense."

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The Dude

Trying to decipher coach Al Golden's explanation of the Canes' defensive struggles, adjustments

Fans want answers.

Reporters want to provide them.

Coaches -- well, they are coaches. And so the process doesn't always work out.

Tuesday, I tossed a question Al Golden's way that I thought was pretty direct and to the point regarding how easy it's become over the years to run on his defense -- even when the opponent makes it clear that's the intention.

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Me: Al, your last two losses -- on the road at Nebraska and Georgia Tech -- were against teams that, let's face it, are one-dimensional. Everyone knows Nebraska and Georgia Tech run the ball. Why weren't you guys able to stop it?

Golden: "Okay, so, where Georgia Tech beats you is they beat you on the perimeter, they beat you with the toss play, they beat you when you're not paying attention to the quarterback on the alley and then they beat you on the X play to Smelter, who has three games of 100 yards. That's where they beat you. Now, we have to do a better job stopping the dive. The dive is five times to get 25 yards. Those other plays are one shots. So, there's a lot of little nuances in there we didn't do a good job on there. That they obviously utilized against us. I think the Georgia Tech deal is a lot different than the Nebraska deal. May look the same to you. Completely different. Georgia Tech, whatever calls we make, whatever front, coverage, pressure we use is gone now. It's gone. We use it once a year. Where we lost the game against Georgia Tech is we didn't get off the field on third down. We didn't take the ball away. It's as simple as that. We didn't get off the field on third down when we pushed them into those downs and distances. We didn't take the ball away. If they ran for 285 yards -- and again it's different than Nebraska. Nobody wanted Nebraska to run for that many yards. Trust me. But as you're playing Georgia Tech it's a little bit different. Does that make sense to you?"

Me: Well, not really, but I nodded so you can continue your train of thought.

"Again, I look at those two different things completely different in terms of how you go into the game. There's absolutely no excuse for what happened in Nebraska. Again, I'm responsible for it at the end of the day. Me. But in terms of Georgia Tech, we just didn't do a good enough job and we let some [explosive] runs occur, which we hadn't been letting. The year before we let one big one happen. It hadn't been as big an issue as it was last year."

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I'd like to tell you there's an answer to my question. But it doesn't feel like it.

What did I decipher from that?

1. Golden thinks it's unfair to cluster Georgia Tech and Nebraska into the same one-dimensional category because the Yellow Jackets run the triple option and the Cornhuskers run a spread, read option. Never mind the fact Georgia Tech threw it just seven times and ran it 65 times against Miami; and Nebraska ran it 54 times and threw it 13 times.

2. Maybe it's just me, but Golden made it seem like he prefers his defense be chopped up slowly rather than in one big chunk. Thus the reason we see safeties and linebackers playing so far off the ball.

3. Al wants me to trust him.

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LOL @ Al's excuse here. So your telling Manny you can't stop any kind of running attack by clarify that they run the ball different ways. Al is good for nothing at this point.

that was then this is now

Someone mentioned Dan Mullin as a possible head coach before we got AL, here's the problem, everyone around is stuck on a pro-style offense, which he doesn't run and we wanted someone who would run it. Personally I think the pro-style is antiquated. Let the pros run it but before long there won't be any kids coming from college that have QB in that offense. There are only a few programs left that run it, Bama, Usc, to name a few. I believe the pro-style is to easy to defend. I think most coaches would rather defend a pro-style any day than have to deal with the spread option. It ain't never going to happen but the "U" needs a stadium, that's theirs. Any coach that comes here is going to have obstacles to over come and that's one of them along with crumbs for salary for assts. The glory days are gone. Things that we got away with 10 years ago or more are gone. It's a new age and we are still stuck in a time warp. We some how still get talent but with inept coaches that can't bring out the best in these players. Look at Dorsett, has the dude really distinguished himself in 4 years other than drop 2 easy TD passes against N.D? Has Chick really done anything note worthy. Has Tracy Howard done anything, Walford and these are just a few who are good players who are just average. As good as Duke is, he's a fumbling machine. Perryman is our best player but even he has played just above average this year. We have deficiencies at certain positions. Does anyone know who the back up TE is, I don't. We don't have a lot of solid depth at DB and at LB. Hopefully Mohammed comes back next year or the depth along the interior won't be much either. I don't think Golden believes defense wins Ships because he recruits that position like it doesn't matter.

4-Real

Rock, firing Randy was the last thing on Hocutt's to-do-list.

4-Real

Didnt we beat Georgia tech last year?

The Dude

Standish Dobard is the backup TE. Totally disagree that this team lacks depth in the secondary. The LB corps I think has plenty of talent in it also. Perryman is an All American candidate, so is Armbrister. Grace is a young stud and so is Owens. The D has more than enough talent to win the ACC Coastal division. Howard really can't do anything note worthy within this scheme as is true of the entire secondary and the DL. I'm sorry but DL aren't supposed to play like they are on the OL. Duke is electric and one of the best RBs we've had at The U ever. His fumbles as of late have been magnified by the fact that we need him to play perfect in order for us to win with Golden at the helm.

The Dude

Someone needs to go down to Coral Gables and install a white flag over The U if Al Golden comes back for 2015, because we are asking to suck if that's what happens.

Sarasota 'cane

Dan Mullin will likely be the Gator's HC next season and is clearly out of UM's price point at this stage in his career.

For me personally the only reason I even talk about a coaching change right now is because Butch put his hat in the ring in January. I agree that blindly throwing out coaches names is a lesson in futility.

that was then this is now

Okay Dude forgot about Standish but we use him like he's the plague. The LB's are good just not great, if they were I don't think our defense would look like a worn out rug and the Dline can at least play a part in stopping the run by clogging up lanes and occupying blockers and Duke can be electric but he had some probs last year with fumbles.

The Dude

Here's the issue and there's no more discussion to it as far as I'm concerned.

This is Gino Torretta and its spot on. I'm paraphrasing here: Why aren't we being aggressive off the snap? Why are we making reads on the LOS? What has the hallmark of Miami football always been? Its been speed and we used to come after you off the ball and the other team would always say boy you guys are really fast. Sure we may have taken a mistep here or there, but we did it with speed and so it it worked out.

The Dude

When we aren't shooting gaps with our DL, we are neutralizing our greatest advantage, our speed.

What do QBs always say when the get to the next level as to what the biggest difference is? The always say, every single time, the speed of the game, the speed of the defenses. Al and Mark are the only people I can think of that try to slow down the speed of the defense.

Nick

Well even though a few disagreed with me. I still hope that with the 6-6 finish we're looking at with losses to vtech, fsu and virginia. A most likely bowl game loss since we haven't won one since 2006 that a 6-7 mark will be enough to run golden out of town. And believe I wanted him to succeed as much as anyone but the guy is who he is, a 500 coach and another year isn't going to change that. All another year does is prevent us from possible getting the guy "Butch" or one of his disciples that can actually turn this thing around. If Blake James can't see that then he's he's even weaker then he looks and has no business here either. The needs us to be dominate again, that's the only reason they brought us on was because we were supposed to boost the conferences football image and we clearly haven't done that because this $h|t for brains administration has cared to invest anything back into the football program that made the university. So here's another thing I pose as a question to everyone. What happens when the ACC decides to kick us out for stinking the place up like the big east did to temple? Then what is admin gonna do when that tv money stops rolling in? I'll tell you what there gonna do there gonna curse people like donnas name for allowing the program to drop so far and asking how the she and the rest of the admin and board could be so short sited. All in the greedy effort to save a few bucks. But most times in life when you go the cheep tout it ends up costing you more in the long haul. Just think of all the buyouts dollars of Larry's, Randy's, and now eventually Goldens we could have saved if we would have just spent a little more to get Schiano in 2006 which he would have come if we met his offer. Again, short sighted! It's so damn depressing!

Nick

Sorry for the bad grammar but I'm typing from my iPhone and auto correct is a B sometimes.

CaneRock

You know what's crazy, Arkansas State has hired more next level coaches than UM...Malzahn,Freeze,Harsin, and soon to be, Blake Anderson.

LaQuinton

Well Dorsett only gets the ball 3 times a game. And various times he is open in the flats but Kaaya throws deep or a int.

I think Dobard is a good player that never gets the ball. He only blocks.

The younger players are what Golden wants in size and height but ehh. Perryman and Thurston are both good players . Tracy, Ladarius and Artie are press man to man corners putting them in a scheme with them yards back is terrible.

Go Canes

@dennisdoddcbs: 6 of the AP top 10 haven't won a wire service/BCS title in at least 62 years.

VA Cane

Hey Dude....
that is a hoot!!!!! That must be whats going on in Coral Gables!!!!!!! They are not teaching our boys!!!!!!!!

SinisterCane

@dennisdoddcbs: 6 of the AP top 10 haven't won a wire service/BCS title in at least 62 years.

Posted by: Go Canes | October 07, 2014 at 07:32 PM

And what does this have to do with UM football?

JaxCane

Posted by: SinisterCane | October 07, 2014 at 07:49 PM

It's the "kid making a F telling his parents everyone in the class is failing syndrome."

You know, as if that justifies your F.

SinisterCane

Posted by: JaxCane | October 07, 2014 at 07:55 PM

If the bar is lowered any further for Golden...ants will be able to jump over it.

2 weeks ago it was UCLA gives up record sacks under coach "whoever"

JaxCane

Posted by: SinisterCane | October 07, 2014 at 07:58 PM

If our condition were truly happy, we would not seek diversion from it in order to make ourselves happy.

4-Real

You're exactly rite Jaxcane. Where I'm from the definition of a " Hater " is someone who wants ur shiz effed up cuz his / her shiz is effed up!

Go Canes

@Manny_Navarro: NFL scout told me today he thinks #Canes have 3 players worthy of being drafted in first three rounds: Dorsett, Duke and Denzel

@Manny_Navarro: Others #Canes the scout liked: CB Ladarius Gunter and DL Olsen Pierre. Said Chickillo could be undrafted free agent

The Dude

I wonder if that scout was the one that was on campus today? Alonzo.

The Dude

Go Canes,

You want to take a stab at the question I asked you?

JaxCane

Dang on shame

Chickillo & Clowney both starred in All American game, both highly touted entering college. One won the MVP of the all star game. One is coached and the other is neutered, One is drafted in the first round (#1) pick, the other is not expected to be drafted after putting on all of that unnecessary weight....sad sad sad those clouds....

86Cane

I would like to be schedule coordinator!!!! I swear I would schedule Jacksonville State twice a year ;)

Posted by: thirstybuzzardcane | October 07, 2014 at 12:18 PM

That would help out a LOT!

86Cane

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | October 07, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Your anger grows stronger! The Dark Side looms...

Posted by: Sarasota 'cane | October 07, 2014 at 12:47 PM

I was thinking the same thing.

Go Canes

@Manny_Navarro: Scout told me #Canes LT Ereck Flowers is NFL caliber, but would best be served spending another year in college with where he would be taken

86Cane

If you like I can email my receipt to 86 to show proof just like I did with my hurricanes painted garage and all my vehicles have UM's plates.

Posted by: Sinistercane | October 07, 2014 at 12:50 PM

I saw the photos, it is all true.

KYcane

Here are a couple of good reads for you folks.

http://www.pageqsports.com/2014/10/canes-unit-grades-vs-georgia-tech-are-we-being-trolled/

http://www.pageqsports.com/2014/10/miami-at-georgia-tech-diary-of-depression/

86Cane

Why is Fentress over Dallas ?

Posted by: LaQuinton | October 07, 2014 at 02:35 PM

Bcuz Dallas is not as good as they claimed he was during spring and fall camp?

Posted by: WWIN | October 07, 2014 at 05:26 PM

DING, DING, DING!!!

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

The Dude

Sell anything today 86?

KYcane

For those of you watching the game on TV, I understand we had the same announcers as the Nebraska game.

Were they still commenting on our defensive woes?

The Dude

Breaking news:

Al Golden has developed a serious case of SPIRD, only two months to live as HC.

The Dude

KY,

They were pointing out major flaws. Like Miami wasn't chipping the center to keep him off Denzel.

86Cane

Why does Randy get canned, but Al gets a 5th year?

Posted by: The Dude | October 07, 2014 at 05:51 PM

There are many reasons but you would not listen and I don't have time to go into it. I am a busy man and a Canes fan. That is all.

4-Real

Jax, Chickillo supposedly taught Clowney several swim / spin moves during the under armor combines. Clowney actually considered playing with Chick, NO LIE!!!

86Cane

Sell anything today 86?

Posted by: The Dude | October 07, 2014 at 09:32 PM

Nope, but I did have a walk in cutomer while I was on "floor duty" and it may pan out into something in a few weeks.

1mg of epi

There are many reasons but you would not listen and I don't have time to go into it. I am a busy man and a Canes fan. That is all.

Posted by: 86Cane | October 07, 2014 at 09:41 PM

How about just the bullet points.

86Cane

TD...you know why, but that discussion opens a whooooooole other can of worms.

Posted by: CaneRock | October 07, 2014 at 06:16 PM

Ahhh so there it is, the old race card being played by none other than Canerock?

#Shocker

#Hater

#RaceBaiter

86Cane

How about just the bullet points.

Posted by: 1mg of epi | October 07, 2014 at 09:45 PM

OK, future article after the Cincy game.

Busy week, even for bullets.

The Dude

Posted by: 86Cane | October 07, 2014 at 09:41 PM

I'd listen, don't know if I'd agree, but I'd listen. You better be a busy man, you got some properties to sell brutha!

#SHOWSOUPTHEMONEY

1mg of epi

OK, future article after the Cincy game.

Busy week, even for bullets.

Posted by: 86Cane | October 07, 2014 at 09:46 PM

Deal!

JaxCane

Posted by: 4-Real | October 07, 2014 at 09:43 PM

I wouldn't doubt it. imo if Chick is undrafted his dad will have something to say about this staff. Chicks first season is still his best season here imo.

4-Real

I remember a couple years back both Mel Kyper & Todd Mcshay said worst case scenario Curt Porter would be a early to mid 3rd round pick, but that was b4 our staff made the kid pack on a extra 30+ pounds on his 6'1 310lb frame of course. So sad...

SOUP

#SHOWSOUPTHEMONEY

Posted by: The Dude | October 07, 2014 at 09:47 PM

I like this, yeah, I like this a LOT.

LaQuinton

Those two also said ray ray was 1st round. Stephen Morris was 2nd round material and Seantrel was 1st round..

I don't trust Mel kiper. He said sean couldn't tackle

JaxCane

9 years in as a head coach and we still need to give him another year. smdh

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