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November 25, 2014

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The Dude

^^^ a long read, but it pretty much sums up our situation.

KYcane

http://www.stateoftheu.com/2014/11/24/7274953/fire-al-golden-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-about-the-cloud-and

WWIN

Soup,

if you had to pick a coach to get rid of between D'no and Coley which one would you let go?

86Cane

This time last year:

http://canespace.typepad.com/canespace/2013/11/canes-kick-the-stuff-out-of-pitt.html

86Cane

86 - thank you!!

Posted by: AeroCane | November 27, 2014 at 12:55 PM

U are very welcome!

86Cane

It's the offense stupid!

86Cane

Well before the season I believe that we all said that if Mark D fielded a defense that was ranked top 50 Miami would win 10 games. Well through game 12 .

15th ranked total defense
31st ranked rushing defense
19th ranked passing defense
39th ranked scoring defense. Somebody pat Mark on the back. He ain't getting fired he is up for the Broyles award which Miami hasn't had since 2001 with Coach Shann. Go canes !

Posted by: laquinton | November 26, 2014 at 03:54 PM

Coach Coley and the offense.

48th in total offense
50th in passing offense
48th in rushing offense
55th in scoring offense.

Posted by: laquinton | November 26, 2014 at 03:56 PM

raizecane

Happy Thanksgiving CaneSpace

nemo2002

The art of losing is securely formed
Accept the loses; embrace the excuses

Posted by: Elliott | November 27, 2014 at 01:37 PM

Mediocrity is the nU normal.
Hate is the nU love.

The Dude

Posted by: NigerianCane | November 27, 2014 at 02:51 PM

You are what your record says you are.

WWIN

look clan, its going to be a little hard to call for the head of someone that's going to get 10 guys drafted

Posted by: NigerianCane | November 27, 2014 at 02:51 PM

This is the part that makes it worse! The teams we are losing to don't have harley anybody getting drafted!

SinisterCane

Posted by: NigerianCane | November 27, 2014 at 02:51 PM

6-5 is the only result the count and its in year 4

AfriCane

look clan, its going to be a little hard to call for the head of someone that's going to get 10 guys drafted, turned the defense round from number infinity to number 15 total defense. yes the offense, statistically, is middle of the pack, but good luck going against against coley, kehoe, the running backs' coach and tight end coaches. again, the result is not what we want it to be, but.....

jcane

Didn't realize Uceda was going to be back so soon, CoCane. Glad to hear. I thought he was supposed to be out longer. The Illini play a lot of small ball, too, but they'll likely test us more than anyone else, except maybe Providence, before the new year and the ACC comes.

Nice to have discussion about the basketball team. They deserve it. They're well-coached, moved into the top 25, and deserve more attention than they get. The football team doesn't deserve 99% of our attention. That needs to be earned.

1mg of Epi


The glory is gone a new era is born
The art of losing is securely formed
Accept the loses embrace the excuses
Al golden is here to stay so all I have to say is deuces
Posted by: Elliott | November 27, 2014 at 01:37 PM

Nice!
Elliot... Canespace's new poet laureate!

roachcane77

A special memo to Al, be careful around all the food given your fondness for choking.
Posted by: The Dude in Missouri | November 27, 2014 at 01:31 PM

LOL. Niiice one Dude!

I agree we need some more XXXL bodies on our BB team to make me feel better about going deep in tournament play.

KYcane

A Happy Thanksgiving to all those in our Canespace universe that serve in the armed forces of this great country.

Your sacrifices do not go unnoticed and without them we would not have the freedoms we currently enjoy.

Thank You

WWIN

But for God's sake, don't root for other teams. Sheesh.

Posted by: LB | November 27, 2014 at 08:22 AM

Sometimes you have to LOSE something to GAIN something!

WWIN

I am thankful that no lowly Coastal team will be beating us today.

A special memo to Al, be careful around all the food given your fondness for choking.

Posted by: The Dude in Missouri | November 27, 2014 at 01:31 PM

Good two TDIM! LMAO

WWIN

^^^^^^^^^^
Go Canes is still his normal Golden loving self. He talked a good game before the lose tho. Soups dark side pills are running low and he needs a new prescription ASAP!

That winning streak you speak of was a mirage! Cincy played with a injured QB, VA Tech's whole team was depleted with injuries plus they suck, UNC how many times did they snap the ball over their own heads, and fsu plays like that with everybody.

AfriCane

Wow! Everyone is salty, even GoCanes & soup. And I'm the only one on the other side now it seems. LOL!
I'm just not going to call for their heads. But I support everyone that is demanding change. I just seem to see beyond the loss and looking at the recent changes. I jus think there's something there that's starting to grow. I mean, shhiiit, Georgia lost to Florida. Look, I might be wrong. I admit that. Afterall, I was a late convert to the hater roster. U guys might be right again. And especially if soup & GC r disappointed, it might definitely be a sign and call for change. But that's just not the way I see it right now. I might come around again too. But, stick to my convictions but I do not disagree with yours.....

Elliott

The glory is gone a new era is born
The art of losing is securely formed
Accept the loses embrace the excuses
Al golden is here to stay so all I have to say is deuces

CoCane

Illinois plays more guards than we do. They don't have 1 player in their rotatation that's taller than 6'9. Jekiri is better than any big they have. Uceda is 6'10 250 and he'll be back for conference play. He was killing the boards harder than Jekiri in the preseason and he has more of a post game with his back to the basket. Uceda is the true starting PF. They'll be even more deadly when he gets back 1/17. Coach L baby!

The Dude in Missouri

Happy Turkey Day Canespace.

Happy Birthday to TS and Happy Anniversary to RC77.

I am thankful that no lowly Coastal team will be beating us today.

A special memo to Al, be careful around all the food given your fondness for choking.

AeroCane

Happy thanksgiving everyone!
TS - happy bday young man!
Roach - 38 yrs! That's great!
Go Canes - stop trying to figure it out - we suck and golden needs to go!
86 - thank you!!

WWIN

But in the same breath they are saying we've been one of the most talented teams in the ACC for four straight years, when the three years prior to this one we've basically had little or none.

So we have the best talent when no one gets drafted and the most when we do?

Just trying to figure out the math.

Posted by: Go Canes | November 27, 2014 at 07:44 AM

We haven't had the most talent in the ACC Coastal the last 4yrs? When have we not had a player drafted?

jcane

and as we both said, Illinois may tell us a bit more about our team. The Illini are, for now, the top scoring team in the country, averaging over 97 ppg. However, they've played only four games, and all were vs. my neighbors and me...so we shall see. We could definitely use some more bigs to fight the good fight underneath and get some rebounds, unless Angel keeps hitting almost half of his 3 pointers where it doesn't matter as much! ;)

WWIN

Happy Thanksgiving to everybody, Anniversary to Roach, and Birthday to TSully!

jcane

Chance's comment:

Exactly what I was saying, but put way more succinctly. We see opposite ends of the coaching spectrum between hoops and football. One puts us in the best position to be able to win if the players execute. The other hopes for some luck and that sheer talent will be enough in spite of the Xs and Os.

Enjoy the holiday all.

CaneRock

Like Terrance said..."40 minutes of L baby."

roachcane77

Thanks for the well wishes guys.

Be curious to see which U "team" shows up Saturday night...

CaneRock

As far as the b-ball team goes...yes, we're gonna have issues down low, BUT, our opponents are gonna have issues with our backcourt. Even if 1 guy is off, we still have 2 or 3 guys that can pick up the slack.

CaneRock

I think this is the last year I use that injectable marinade stuff. It's good, but the heartburn is not worth it.

laquinton

Happy Thanksgiving guys.

Also rip to Sean Taylor, thankful to have watches you play. 7 years ago.. wow

Terrance Sullivan

Happy Thanksgiving FAM, I love U all, and let all our Canes teams kick are these next extended holiday weekend. Go Canes and Canespace.

CaneRock

Happy Turkey Day Spacers...and HAPPY BIRTHDAY TERRANCE!

KYcane

Terrance - Happy Birthday brother - see you Saturday.

KYcane

Roach - Congratulations to you and your wife

BEERicane

Ivy League is laughable. Again, the academic rigor is not close to up to snuff of the Ivy schools. But the more I think of it, maybe it would work. It's not much different that our football team in the Coastal. The Golden era continues.... The only game I'll root for golden (as a coach) is the possible UF game. Otherwise, anything to get his azz out ASAP.

KYcane

Canespace - everyone have a happy and safe Thanksgiving!!

Chance Womack

Yes, the Bball team will have a murderous time low when we start to play the ACC lineup. We need Ucede badly. Jakiri is going to be worn out unless he gets some help. I think the Illinois and Providence games will expose our lack of size inside. Our 3 point threat is so deadly however, we should be in every game. When we get the inevitable game when the team collectively shoots cold from the perimeter...we will have problems. Trust that the coaching staff will be prepared to do what they can to expose the opposition weaknesses - it's our ace in the hole.

Elliott

Golden sucks

SinisterCane

Happy Thanksgiving to all CANEZ FANS, my god bless you and your family

Smoke Turkey in a few :)

fran

Happy thanksgiving to all canes fans the players the coaches and especially to canespace bloggers. Peace be to all and a successful last game and bowl game
Fran in Debary

1mg of Epi

Happy anniversary roach.. Happy bday Terrance

86Cane

Happy wedding anniversary Roach and Happy Birthday Terrance!

86Cane

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!

360Cane

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

360Cane

They announce we've joined the Ivy League yet? []_[]

roachcane77

Happy Thanksgiving spacers! (It's also my 38th wedding anniversary... got married in my Sr. year at the U.)

Enjoy your families, and eat, eat, EAT!

Let's Go CANES!

BEERicane

http://miami.scout.com/story/1484528-is-um-most-underachieving-team-in-america?s=13

Suck on that Golden

LB

Stop buying tickets and stop buying merchandise. THAT will send the administration and message and force their hand.

But for God's sake, don't root for other teams. Sheesh.

1mg of Epi

Go canes... We have the highest ranked recruiting classes in the coastal every year, so there is that.

Top 15 talent... Bottom 75 results

1mg of Epi

The ACC is arguably the worst of the power 5, with the coastal being the worst division in all of major college football... We are more talented today then when we should've played in the ACC CG 2 years ago. We are backsliding with more talent.

Does a coastal team have more players in the NFL over the last 4 years then we do?

And happy turkey day to all!

Go Canes

Also Happy Thanksgiving to all this morning.

Hope all have a great day.

Go Canes

So by this new metric I see being used lately, some are saying we are somehow the second most talented team in the country.

But in the same breath they are saying we've been one of the most talented teams in the ACC for four straight years, when the three years prior to this one we've basically had little or none.

So we have the best talent when no one gets drafted and the most when we do?

Just trying to figure out the math.

1mg of Epi

Every part of our program is responsible for where we are this season. They've all taken a turn.

Coaches being way too conservative and stubborn, special team blunders, offensive inconsistencies, defensive lapses, catastrophic and inexcusable player errors at crucial moments and some bad luck add up to 5 losses and a wasted season.

Posted by: Go Canes | November 26, 2014 at 08:52 PM

Exactly Go Canes... This is a poorly coached team from top to bottom. I think people are giving Coley the benefit of the doubt is because he has a freshman QB, and is in only his second year calling plays. As opposed to the DC whose finishing year 4, and still plays with his tail between his legs.

1mg of Epi

TonyCane... A couple reasons why AG will be no better w more recruiting classes under his belt:
1) He already has the talent.
2) He already has shown coaching deficiencies. He can never win with a prevent as his base D. His teams are sloppy and ill prepared in general.
3) He's already lost the team... U said in your post it looked like the D wore out. No. They quit. The whole team quit. The know they can't win w him.... Least that's what it liked like to me. A vastly physically superior team doesn't just wear out against a team like that.

1mg of Epi

http://www.broylesaward.com/about-the-award

They are NOMINATED by the HC. Obviously AG thinks were morons.

WWIN

1) Star rankings are not everything, as several were 3 star players

Posted by: TonyCane` | November 27, 2014 at 12:28 AM

Bingo! Draft grades are better to use than star rankings. A kid might come in listed as a 4☆ but how did he perform? His draft grade will answer that question.

Montreal-Cane

Tim Reynolds was called a total BS tonight on the radio playing games with Canes fans
about recruiting...And i totally agree...
Listen at the 1:15:15 mark They called Reynolds a total BS...
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/canesportradio/2014/11/27/canesport-live

The Dude in Missouri

^^^ We need the Patriots for Al to win the Coastal. 85 Bears to win a title.

SinisterCane

Do we really need elite talent to beat UVA and GT?

The Dude in Missouri

^^^ we are a basketball school after all.

jcane

BTW, a key example of the unlikely to continue great shooting is with the FU hero, Angel Rodriguez. He clearly is one of the big 2 to carry this team along with McLellan. However, anyone who thinks Angel is likely to continue to have a higher 3 pt. shooting % than regular FG % for too many more games either is smoking something or has special insight into a gift that would be awesome to watch for a whole season.

Out. Night.

jcane

Since football season is generally over, anybody want to talk Canes' hoops? BTW, wish I knew what 86 and Ohio were talking about, but that's life, huh? :)

Coach L has this team winning games they likely have no business winning, just like the football team has done the opposite. I would never have guessed the U would be up to #17 this season, let alone after 6 games (helped a ton to take down FU on the road, in spite of the fact that FU went down in OT to Georgetown today). This team is well-coached and has been shooting lights-out. The main worry to me is that lower rebounding teams that win with great shooting tend to be streaky, as great shooting typically goes in spurts, at least at this level. I don't quite see the inside depth being there, so this team likely will hit some down streaks in their schedule unless they keep shooting like it's a video game like Angel did at the 'turds. Hope I'm wrong, and I still expect this will be a fun basketball season that will go better than expected. Unfortunately, I just don't see the ACC scheduled likely being quite as manageable as the current schedule (even though FU and UNC Charlotte are both good teams). I see the U being quite capable of playing better than .500 ACC ball, which would get an NCAA invite, especially with a nice pre conference record with some quality wins. Guess we'll get a better idea when Illinois rolls in, and then with the ACC foes starting with the new year, beginning with a very good UVa team (in hoops, they're legit....football, well ...they didn't need to be to get the win....ugh.). The first two weeks of the new year get us two current legit top 10 teams in the Cavaliers and the Dukies. Coach L finds a way to bring in solid players, coach them up, teach team play to the best degree, and have them prepared for each opponent to put them in the best position possible typically. The rest then truly is up to the players (ie when the conference champion Canes couldn't hit a bucket vs. Marquette in the tnmt, there wasn't much he could do).

Good weekend and happy Thanksgiving all.

TonyCane`

What I was doing was trying to put the most optimistic outlook on the situation. Let's say Golden is here until 2019. Based on recruiting trendlines, the Miami Hurricanes will have anywhere between 31 to 40 four/five star players beginning next year. The upper end of that spectrum would be equal to what FSU has been at for the last few years and twice that of any other ACC school. With that in mind, the likelihood of a loss to a 4 win school becomes much lower in the future. Basically it's much harder - but not impossible (see Florida) to screw things up.

To be fair in regards to Miami having 10 draft eligible players, it speaks to two things:

1) Star rankings are not everything, as several were 3 star players

2) Some credit should be given to the staff to developing the players.

WWIN

Tony,

Florida State has 12, we have 10, Alabama has 7, and Ohio State has 3.

So you do the math...

Now that we solved that problem and shown that it's not the TALENT, any other questions I can answer for you?

WWIN

Tony,

here you go! Here's the talent evaluation you need to go by!
-----------------------------------------

One of the most common arguments by those in the pro-Golden camp is that Miami simply doesn't have the players necessary to compete at the highest level. We often hear some of the same lame excuses we've been hearing around here for the last several years.

Maybe Golden doesn't have the players to compete for a national championship. Maybe he doesn't have the players to beat teams like Georgia Tech and Virginia and win a Coastal Division title.

Or perhaps he does. In fact, yes, he does.

According to the latest NFL Draft rankings on CBS Sports, Miami is clearly one of the most talented teams in all of college football.

The Hurricanes have 10 players who have a draft grade on their rankings list -- Duke Johnson, Phillip Dorsett, Clive Walford,Ereck Flowers, Jonathan Feliciano, Anthony Chickillo, Olsen Pierre, Denzel Perryman,Thurston Armbrister, and Ladarius Gunter.

The amazing part about that is that only one school -- the defending national champions and owners of a 27-game winning streak -- has more. Florida State has 12 on their list.

Here is the rest of the AP Top 10 and how many players are on that list:

2. Alabama -- 7
3. Oregon -- 7
4. Mississippi State -- 4
5. Baylor -- 6
6. TCU -- 4
7. Ohio State -- 3
8. Georgia -- 3
9. UCLA -- 3
10. Michigan State -- 5

WWIN

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We already got enough talent!

We'll be back when we get a 4/5 star coach!

TonyCane`

I finally watched the game last night, and I put much more responsibility on the offense on that loss than the defense. The latter simply wore out.

Going into this season I thought Miami would finish 8-4, and that one of those losses would come against a team that we did not expect. In this case, it was Virginia. A 7-5 or 6-6 is a real disappointment, and seems the inverse of last year, where we got several lucky breaks in route to a 7-0 start.

I would ask those of you more knowledgable about football if Golden had twice the level of talent - if he had talent at near/at the level of Florida State or Alabama or Ohio State, what is the ceiling? Is it still 9 wins, or can he win by simply overwhelming the opposition with vastly superior talent. I ask this because of two factors:

1) This year's Miami squad had roughly the same level of talent as last season. More experience was countered with a true freshman quarterback.

2) The Miami talent trendline will be heading up. Next year, for the first time in four years, we will have more than 30 four/five star recruits. And the 2016 class (the first completely unaffected by the NCAA scandal) should be exceptionally strong, a net plus over the 2012 class that it replaces.

3) Three years from now, barring complete ineptitude on the field, the Miami Hurricanes will have their talent level back to an elite level, with quality depth. So rather than a Canes squad with 24 4/5 star players facing a Louisville squad with 16 such atheletes, Miami would likely have 34-37.

The question again is, when the talent reaches that level, can we simply bulldoze our way back into prominence? What is our ceiling?

Ohio_Cane

86Cane
I would like a frosted donnut with sprinkles, please?

Posted by: 86Cane | November 26, 2014 at 10:19 PM
---------------------------

Can we share??

86Cane

I would like a frosted donnut with sprinkles, please?

laquinton

http://caneswatch.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2014/11/26/al-golden-a-bad-fit-at-miami-national-writer-says-touts-mario-cristobal-as-replacement/

Interesting take from Bruce F and Matt P.

SinisterCane

Just Nuke the whole staff


Except for Ice Harris

WWIN

Offense, Defense, and Special Teams suck!

Who's responsible for this? Al Golden!

WWIN

Have we ever had a shut out in 4yrs????

Go Canes

UVA had 341 yards of offense and our special teams was directly responsible for 11 of those points.

Your D giving up 19 points and 340 yds to UVA on the road should equal a win, scoring 23 in the first half against FSU who ends up with 30, should to.

Defense has faltered at times, but these last two losses are on the O.

CoCane

The defense has given up 49 points the last 6 quarters.

AND OVER 400 YARDS TO VIRGINIA'S GARBAGE *SS DEFENSE.

Quit debating who sucks the most. They all suck. Coley, Folden, No'D, Franklin and the DB's coach. Kehoe ok but new blood wouldn't be bad...

SinisterCane

Posted by: 86Cane | November 26, 2014 at 09:01 PM

Coley has freshman QB and NOFENSE system has been in place for 4 years with under developed players

lol keep snortin'

CaneRock


And your defense was gutted by 1 dimensional GT and NEB, oh I forgot that part of the season doesn't count.

Posted by: SinisterCane | November 26, 2014 at 08:52 PM

HEY NOW!, those were games "at night on Saturday on national TV".

86Cane

Our offense has scored one TD in the last six quarters.

Just stop.

Posted by: Go Canes | November 26, 2014 at 08:45 PM

Our offense has scored one TD in the last six quarters.

Just stop.

Posted by: Go Canes | November 26, 2014 at 08:45 PM

Our offense has scored one TD in the last six quarters.

Just stop.

Posted by: Go Canes | November 26, 2014 at 08:45 PM

Our offense has scored one TD in the last six quarters.

Just stop.

Posted by: Go Canes | November 26, 2014 at 08:45 PM

Our offense has scored one TD in the last six quarters.

Just stop.

Posted by: Go Canes | November 26, 2014 at 08:45 PM

The Dude in Missouri

Posted by: Go Canes | November 26, 2014 at 08:52 PM

So let's all support Al getting another year to waste.

SinisterCane

Posted by: Go Canes | November 26, 2014 at 08:45 PM

And your defense was gutted by 1 dimensional GT and NEB, oh I forgot that part of the season doesn't count. Have fun with the prevent schemes in the second half of Saturdays game

Go Canes

Every part of our program is responsible for where we are this season. They've all taken a turn.

Coaches being way too conservative and stubborn, special team blunders, offensive inconsistencies, defensive lapses, catastrophic and inexcusable player errors at crucial moments and some bad luck add up to 5 losses and a wasted season.

Go Canes

Our offense has scored one TD in the last six quarters.

Just stop.

SinisterCane


Coley runs circles around NOFENSE on and off the field

Posted by: SinisterCane | November 26, 2014 at 08:01 PM

PUFF, PUFF...pass.

Posted by: 86Cane | November 26, 2014 at 08:21 PM

Who the better recruiter?

Who coaches aggressive vs conservative?

Who players are being developed?

Who fielded the worst unit in our history?

Who's more likely to get another D1 job?

I maybe puffin' but your snortin'

RCCF

Coley, Ice, Kehoe, Swasey, and any ExCane can stay .... EVERYONE else can Kick Rocks....and I wouldn't be the slightest bit mad..

Go Canes

And I like Coley. One of the top recruiters in the country and with an entire off season, then spring and fall practices, I beliver he'll have Kaaya playing at a much higher level next year.

Really looking forward to that.

Go Canes


Coley runs circles around NOFENSE on and off the field

Posted by: SinisterCane | November 26, 2014 at 08:01 PM

PUFF, PUFF...pass.

Posted by: 86Cane | November 26, 2014 at 08:21 PM

Yep

CaneRock

Laquinton... He is up for the Broyles award because AG nominated him.... Not exactly some high honor.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | November 26, 2014 at 07:48 PM

Ale Narciso
‏@Ale_Narciso1 Broyles Award nominees are voted on by other asst. coaches. Obviously, those coaches want D'Onofrio to stay at UM, so they're praising him

86Cane

Coley runs circles around NOFENSE on and off the field

Posted by: SinisterCane | November 26, 2014 at 08:01 PM

PUFF, PUFF...pass.

RCCF

Not Even Being Mean.....Some People are So Clueless It's Just Better They Not Type At All..... Yo WE STINK at Coaching....and if you think anything else get your head checked....Drink some Tito's and go talk to Sampson (Half Baked reference for those not in the know)...We Will Win When the Nittanies Leave the Building Im PRAYING It is Sooner than Later!! Bring in a Coach Not Scared to WIN..

The Dude in Missouri

Bottom line, the Al Golden experiment failed to bring results that are suitable to the position fir which he was hired, and of course Blake James couldn't be happier about that. The U is totally happy with all of this.

The Dude in Missouri

WW,

He said Coastal losses would be "unacceptable," then we lost and it was described as "inexplicable."

SinisterCane

As Soup just reposted, offensive inconsistency has plagued us all season, while the D, with few exceptions was far better and more consistent.

Posted by: Go Canes | November 26, 2014 at 07:00 PM

OMG

Man if wasn't for Brad Kaaya and the offense our record would be worst. Even when the D has a talent advantage they still can't make crucial 3rd stops. Taking shots at the O when our best coaches are Coley, Kehoe and Ice Harris. Coley runs circles around NOFENSE on and off the field

1mg of Epi

Laquinton... He is up for the Broyles award because AG nominated him.... Not exactly some high honor.

CaneRock

Denzel Perryman doing Denzel Perryman things:

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/CD18BD03721148066418156515328_29e30388bf0.5.1.4946661780579767700.mp4?versionId=gYXXUH.yzs0acLD76dPqmxtjofOMRh1G

WWIN

Go Canes,

didn't you say that if Golden lost another Coastal game that you would call for his head?

WWIN

Our "issues" are ALL on offense, NOT defense.

Well, there is the Special Teams issue as well...

Posted by: 86Cane | November 26, 2014 at 07:03 PM

When your Special Teams are SOFT your other units will be too!

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