The Cloud Often Rains Fertile Water On FSU

The only one that benefited from the "Cloud" that hung over the fate of the UM program from August 2011 to October 2013 was Florida State.

It was the same scenario as when the Seminoles benefited from Miami's fall from grace and UM had sanctions to deal with in the mid-90s.

Is it any coincidence that FSU's true dominance comes during periods of Miami sanctions and the after effects of investigations?

Year / Miami Record / FSU Record:

1990: Miami: 10-2, FSU: 10-2 
1991: Miami: 12-0, FSU: 11-2
1992: Miami: 11-1, FSU: 11-1
1993: Miami: 9-3, FSU: 12-1
1994: Miami: 10-2, FSU: 10-1-1
1995: Miami: 8-3, FSU: 10-2
1996: Miami: 9-3, FSU: 11-1
1997: Miami: 5-6, FSU: 11-1
1998: Miami: 9-3, FSU: 11-2
1999: Miami: 9-4, FSU: 12-0

2000: Miami: 11-1, FSU: 11-2
2001: Miami: 12-0, FSU: 8-4
2002: Miami: 12-1, FSU: 9-5
2003: Miami: 11-2, FSU: 10-3
2004: Miami: 9-3, FSU: 9-3
2005: Miami: 9-3, FSU: 8-5
2006: Miami: 7-6, FSU: 7-6
2007: Miami: 5-7, FSU: 7-6
2008: Miami: 7-6, FSU: 9-4
2009: Miami: 9-4, FSU: 7-6

2010: Miami: 7-6, FSU: 10-4
2011: Miami: 6-6, FSU: 9-4
2012: Miami: 7-5, FSU: 12-2
2013: Miami: 9-4, FSU: 14-0
2014: Miami: 6-3, FSU: 9-0

Miami Pell Grant investigation, sanctions and rebuilding last from 1993 - 2000. FSU plays in national championship games in 93, 96, 98, 99, and 00. During that time they have a record of 88-10-1.

The Shapiro investigation began in the fall of 2010 and NCAA verdict came last fall. Minor sanctions continue. During that time, FSU goes 44-6 and plays in a national championship game.

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Comments

[1mg of Epi]

LMAO! Heard this earlier today, but an ESPN talkin' head, basically said that if UM beats FSU, that it would make the ACC irrelevant. Those SEC slurpers will say anything to prop up the $EC...SMFH!

Posted by: CaneRock | November 12, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Hate to say it, but that's true. FSU is the only relevant team in the conference. If we beat them, who else is there? Duke? clempson?Nothing we can do will put us in the national conversation this year. If we win, and build on the victory maybe next year will be different... the ACC is weak.

[Lurker]

SJMP, I like Butch and I appreciate what he did to bring in the talent to win our last ship.

But the perception, based in part on his own missteps, is that he's tainted. He will never be our coach. He wouldn't even be a candidate for this or any other major jobs, and that was even before all the latest stuff came out.

If for some reason Golden leaves, Butch will not be on our short list, or anybody else's that matters. That's not hate, that's just how I'm sure it is.

[WWIN]

CBS truck reportedly found in Nashville?

WWIN? The 12%bus was just fine, why U do that?

Posted by: 86Cane | November 12, 2014 at 08:50 PM

Hey don't look at me I'm in Missouri! I'll ask my homies tho

[TonyCane]

Wish I could be there. Miami has never lost a game that I attended.

[WWIN]

Posted by: dj moonbat | November 12, 2014 at 07:40 PM

#TrueStory

[Lurker]

For us to win on Sarurday, every starter will have to play the absolute best game of their careers, and the coaches will have to be almost 100% on their play selection and strategy. Also, our special teams, kickoffs included, will have to be significantly better than they've been all year.

Do that, keep it close, and we have a shot. Remember, FSU has the deeper and more talented team, have won a bunch in crunch time, are the defending champs, and will come out with a huge chip on their shoulders. They have something to prove this week, as if playing a rival isn't enough motivation.

[SJMPARMAN]

We are not good at Kick of Returns. But we have only allowed the one td, and the return average is only 23.46. FSU is much better at 18.24. Advantage to them. I didn't say all stats favored them and you are right to point to special teams deciding the game.

How many wide rights, wide lefts and other big special teams plays have won these games. I mean, Jimmy Johnson encouraged his starters to play special teams in big games. I always though that was a good plan.

[WWIN]

Fsu SUCKS!!!!

People are giving em too much credit. They are pretty much a 1 man show, take away Squintston and you have the Clemson game!

[86Cane]

Canes 35, FSU 34

That is all.

[86Cane]

FSU IS BEATABLE!

Posted by: TonyCane | November 12, 2014 at 10:52 PM

And their women are fine.

Can we take them too?

[SJMPARMAN]

Not sure you can take them but "comforting" them after a loss is permissable.

[Ohio_Cane]

Canes - 144
FSWho - 2

Botches special teams play gives them a safety. Thanks, Al.....

[The Dude]

^^^ no way we punt.

[Old Skool]

TALLAHASSEE – The Tallahassee Police Department says Florida State running back Karlos Williams is not being charged after a domestic battery investigation.

The police released the incident report Wednesday detailing the investigation, which ended because “without a statement or additional evidence there is no way to further this case.” The case remains “Open/Inactive.”

So the Tallahassee police conduction yet another investigation and didn't press charges. Of course not, that's their job.

Instead of ring toss at the tailgates, they should have FSU specific games crab leg stealing, video erasing, bb shooting, girlfriend beating in which one uses an inflatable doll perhaps an impact plate, sledgehammer and bell or perhaps sex chanting in which one stands on a table and yells "F*** Her Right in the P****" at the FSU female supporters.That would make them feel right at home.

[Go Canes]

@Manny_Navarro: My story: Starring on the field and back home #UM safety Deon Bush helping dad cope with cancer again http://t.co/APRGtsERMh

[BigWindyCane1]

As sit here this morning, pondering the great philosophical questions in life, there is one quote that truly summarizes how a true Hurricane thinks about his opponent as he approaches this game.

Khitan General: "Conan [the Barbarian], what is best in life?

Conan: "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!"

[raizecane]

When we beat Jax State U ALL are gonna be going crazy!!!

Posted by: 86Cane | November 12, 2014 at 10:59 PM

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I can't wait to go crazy. Already have my Jax State Sucks foam finger out. :-)

[Go Canes]

@mattyports: [ICYMI] Brad Kaaya stacks up well vs. Jameis Winston headed into Saturday's prime-time game: http://t.co/1EULJWv9w9 http://t.co/WHPlrhwwZg

[dj moonbat]

@mattyports: [ICYMI] Brad Kaaya stacks up well vs. Jameis Winston headed into Saturday's prime-time game: http://t.co/1EULJWv9w9 http://t.co/WHPlrhwwZg

Posted by: Go Canes | November 13, 2014 at 08:16 AM

And that's WITHOUT taking into account their off-field (crime) stats.

[Go Canes]

All of Miramar's wins vacated, out of the playoffs and now this:

@sgorten: Laboris Alvis and Jeff Hill say Miramar players told by Broward schools that entire 2015 football season will be suspended as well

[Ohio_Cane]

All of Miramar's wins vacated, out of the playoffs and now this:

@sgorten: Laboris Alvis and Jeff Hill say Miramar players told by Broward schools that entire 2015 football season will be suspended as well

Posted by: Go Canes | November 13, 2014 at 09:08 AM
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WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!

That's going to kill that program. All those players will be transferring here soon.

[Lurker]

I love our Kayaa, he is the future.

Jameis is a criminal. But on the football field, he is a beast, and the best QB in college football.

If anyone had to pick teams, he would get picked 100 times out of 100 ahead of Brad.

He can win games virtually by himself.

[Lurker]

Transferring where?

[Ohio_Cane]

Transferring where?

Posted by: Lurker | November 13, 2014 at 09:23 AM
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I don't know all of the logistics down there, but I read most likely Carol City or one of the private schools in Broward.

[Lurker]

At first I thought you meant Ohio, you said "here". Then I realized you couldn't possibly mean that.

What a mess, though.

[Go Canes]

I could see a lot of these kids transferring to Flannigan. Bush has built up quite a program there, and they are relatively close to each other.

[UMike]

Miramas's recent rise and Carol City's fall go hand and hand. I'm sure plenty end up at Carol City, and I wouldldnt be surprised o see STA come in a snag a couple

[dj moonbat]

I love our Kayaa, he is the future.

Jameis is a criminal. But on the football field, he is a beast, and the best QB in college football.

If anyone had to pick teams, he would get picked 100 times out of 100 ahead of Brad.

Posted by: Lurker | November 13, 2014 at 09:22 AM

Brad has a ways to go before he hits his ceiling, and I'd bet Jameis is close to his.

Seriously, I think Kaaya has a shot at being UM's best QB ever. He's putting up very respectable numbers without spending a single offseason working in Coley's offense. Or in UM's weight room.

If he doesn't have a sophomore slump, he is absolutely going to tear **** up for the next couple of years.

[Go Canes]

@ChristyChirinos: In today's @SunSentinel: for Miami and FSU, a recruiting edge and bragging rights always at stake in rivalry game: http://t.co/zkgYlSLVvs

[CaneRock]

I think suspending the 2015 season is harsh, but I'm also for getting priorities straight. Football's not that important, to be letting a kid play with a 1.87 GPA!...SMMFH!

[CaneRock]

And I saw that MNW's HC got suspended also, I wonder what's the deal over there...

[Go Canes]

Now Champangat:

@NashSports: Champagnat Catholic out of the state playoffs and now potentially Miramar. Another day in south Florida.

Anyone know if Valentine ever got into LSU?

[Go Canes]

I like the sound of that final score:

@D_VanDyke8: They folded, we didn't.. the U > FSU http://t.co/Z4B4LlQsq8

[CaneRock]

1) The oddest forfeit of the season didn’t even last a half — It may be awhile before we fully learn what inspired Champagnat Catholic, of Hilaeah, Fla., to forfeit against IMG Academy while still in the second quarter. Yes, IMG had already built up a virtually insurmountable 48-8 lead. But did Champagnat throw the white flag because it didn’t want to play the role of whipping boy, or was it because of concern about injury or numbers? One report claimed that Champagnat walked off the field to protest a second quarter call that the coaching staff disagreed with, but that is from one account. Only time will tell if that tells the full story.

http://usatodayhss.com/2014/five-things-we-learned-a-unique-forfeit-and-another-perfect-friday-in-week-12

SFHSSports ‏@SFHSSports · 4m4 minutes ago

Report: Champagnat has been removed from the Class 2A playoffs. For breaking a state rule against forfeiting/leaving a game at halftime

[UpNorthCane27]

What kind of circus show is that over at Champagnat. That is straight up embarrassing

[Go Canes]

@espn: Today’s @DrPepper #Vintage Vine: Jeremy Shockey catches a TD in The U’s National Championship win over Nebraska: https://t.co/Spotw8QayY

[Go Canes]

Look at the helmet Denzel is wearing!

@CanesFootball: Miami linebacker Denzel Perryman chats with ESPN's Chris Fowler following practice. http://t.co/jbTOjrlTbf

[Go Canes]

Wtf was going on at Miramar??

@ScottSalomon: It appears, per my conversation with Coach Scott, that Matt Strout was coaching under a false name. His real name could be Matthew Rodgers.

[tjl3909]

TV:

http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=27812&SPID=2164&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=209392528&Q_SEASON=2014

[Ohio_Cane]

What kind of circus show is that over at Champagnat. That is straight up embarrassing

Posted by: UpNorthCane | November 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM
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Oh, U know, just doing whatever it takes to win football games, not caring for one second about the kids.

The "leader of men" (see: street agent) that coaches there (Jon Drummond aka Genron) is one of the worst people. Pushes kids to $EC schools for kickbacks. (Valentine)

[Ohio_Cane]

Look at the helmet Denzel is wearing!

@CanesFootball: Miami linebacker Denzel Perryman chats with ESPN's Chris Fowler following practice. http://t.co/jbTOjrlTbf

Posted by: Go Canes | November 13, 2014 at 11:35 AM
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This the first time you're seeing it?

[Ohio_Cane]

I believe we'll be wearing smoke jersey/pants and orange helmets for FSU

[Lurker]

^^^^^^^^^

Yes. That's what I'm hearing

[Sarasota 'cane]

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/high-school/prep-broward/article3865216.html

So the Miramar coach gets fired for lying and then drops a dime on the school for allowing ineligible kids to play!!

What a train wreck!

[CaneRock]

LMAO! This is what I figured:
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They want that the other local High Schools to "Snitch" on Miramar, but they can't, B/C they're Doing the same things

[Sarasota 'cane]

Game day!!

Go Dolphins!!

[Ohio_Cane]

Manny Navarro ‏@Manny_Navarro 2m2 minutes ago Pembroke Pines, FL

Nice job by @ScottSalomon feeding @AndreMHsports on the #Miramar story. Just read it. Will post shortly.

[Sarasota 'cane]

The "big money" schools are ruining college football and now they appear to be ruining South Florida H.S. football.

The state legislators should make it it a felony to rep a kid whether they are registered agents or not.

[Go Canes]

@RyanBartow: From mass de-commits, to the most HS transfers, insane speed/charisma, handlers, 3rd parties, U name it. Never a dull moment in 305/954

[Sarasota 'cane]

I would estimate that big time college programs have cost UM a title game or two since 2001. When you look back at kids like Patrick Peterson who were "canes to the bone" until they and their families were enticed with money and jobs to go elsewhere, I think my estimate of two title games may even be low.