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December 19, 2014

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Herbieibis

I was right all along about bitching about our sorry defensive line and lb play And yet everyone thought I bitched too much and now as I read the blog I see all are on board with the herb. I see where a few schools caned their dee cord. But not us
Get this we ain't back and we will never be back until we can get some quality dts and lbs. we need to wipe the slate clean on defense and we need to get rid of the gutless Goldie.

VfB_Cane

After just watching the U-2, all I can say is this:

If the people in charge are not sure whether a 6-6 record is acceptable and are not thinking about alternatives to the current coaching staff, that doesn't mean the U has lowered its expectations.
It means that we have no more standards for success at all.

And that hurts, big time.

The Dude

Lost on Football?

86Cane

NEW BLOG IS UP!

86Cane

Space = Life

Life = Space

That is all U know on earth,
And all U need to know.

dj moonbat

"Ludicrous ol' Fatass"?

The Dude

That's funny 86.

dj moonbat

LoF = Legend of Fall

Posted by: The Dude | December 21, 2014 at 06:17 PM

Not "Loads of F***ups"?

86Cane

GoCanes...U are good to go, I have removed the block on your IP after only 24 hours. I know it was wrotten thing to do but I wanted U to see how painful it can be to be without the Space for only 24 hours.

Please accept my apology and BLOG ON!

86Cane

72 hours seems like along time now doesn't it?

Posted by: 86Cane | December 21, 2014 at 09:35 AM

Like I was saying...

The Dude

LoF = Legend of Fall

TonyCane


Just finished watching the U-2. Did Butch just come in from fly fishing when he did the interview? Whats up with that funky vest, and the Russian sailor style striped shirt?

Posted by: tjl3909 | December 21, 2014 at 05:36 PM


Russian sailor shirt?! Is he shooting a remake of Battleship Potempkin?

dj moonbat

I can start. Mark had a top 15 defense and was a candidate for the Broyles Award. He should be Coach LoF.

Posted by: The Dude | December 21, 2014 at 05:27 PM


I'm a little weak on acronyms. Is "LoF" short for Lit on Fire?

tjl3909

Just finished watching the U-2. Did Butch just come in from fly fishing when he did the interview? Whats up with that funky vest, and the Russian sailor style striped shirt?

VfB_Cane

OK folks, here's one of the feline species for you:
I predict that the Dolphins will win a playoff game before the Canes win the ACC Coastal.
(Note: No playoffs for the Dolphins this season.)

The Dude

^^^ we'll have to start talking some crazy sh*t to get this place hopping.

I can start. Mark had a top 15 defense and was a candidate for the Broyles Award. He should be Coach LoF.

WWIN

^^^^^^^^LMAO

Well some people would prefer that the blog be dead with no comments than to see people debate each other. SMH

The Dude

Slow Sunday. We need a cat to walk by.

TonyCane

Canerock, from my memory at the time this was when the situation seemed the bleakest for Miami. Some people here did a good job of going through the Yahoo story and picking it apart piece by piece, but overall the national media was treating it as the end of the Miami program. At best, many were speculating a one year bowl ban, with a 2-3 year ban (punishment akin to USC) the more likely scenario. And beyond that, there was the fear that the NCAA would make Miami the program that they would make an example of, and possibly refute the notion that the "death penalty" could not be on the table given what happened to SMU. I just remember that in the first few months after the scandal broke, there was a lot of fear over the program's fate. And there was still a lot of positive buzz about Golden then.

Flash forward a year later, and that fear was somewhat reduced. Miami had already taken one bowl ban and was prepared to take another. Unless the NCAA was prepared to give Miami a Penn State type punishment (four year ban with reduced scholarships during that time), the worst was tenatively behind us. Although even then, I recall one poster here saying that our self-imposed bans were akin to relieving one's bladder into the wind, that it would have no bearing on the NCAA whatsoever.

We couldn't be reasonably sure of that until Feb 2013, when the news of the investigatory controversy broke. Had Miami waited until then to extend Golden, he may not have gotten the deal that he received in Nov 2011.

dj moonbat

Tony he wasn't going nowhere, UM just needed to call his bluff like they did last year. We read the 300pg binder but didn't read the fine print, but I bet the other schools did. The psu episode last year was all about him getting a raise

Posted by: WWIM | December 21, 2014 at 02:05 PM


I think he wanted the PSU job, and just didn't get it. Either they liked Franklin better, or the terms of his buyout were too much for PSU to stomach. So maybe getting him signed to that extension 'worked'!

VA Cane

I know it's easy to look back, but Gokden should bever have been hired......all that Temple revival stuff is just part of this major fraud case. The man cannot coach period. Used car salesman.

CaneRock

TonyCane...Why Aug to Nov of 2011?

TonyCane

Tony he wasn't going nowhere, UM just needed to call his bluff like they did last year. We read the 300pg binder but didn't read the fine print, but I bet the other schools did. The psu episode last year was all about him getting a raise

Posted by: WWIM | December 21, 2014 at 02:05 PM

I think that period (Aug 2011 - Nov 2011) was probably the scariest for the UM program in twenty years, and a point where the death penalty was being discussed in the media as a realistic possibility. I think that admin felt that they really needed a stable hand to hold the program together during the investigation, and Golden's agent leveraged that as much as possible.

If that took place a year later, I don't think that Golden gets the giant extension.

TonyCane

Has anyone ever gotten a copy of the 300 page binder. Would love to see a pdf of it.

VA Cane

Randy was hired because he supposedly was a UM guy...yet he never won anything....and he was also an EOE hire due to race. It looked great on paper and to the press, but it was bound to fail. Randy was a self centered resentful guy with no people read young player skills...and he could have been on the job 20 years and would not have learned how to be a HC. The kids despised him...they quit on him just like these kids despise AlPa and quit on him. The difference is that Randy despised everyone, while Al is just a clown a fraud a court jester.....neither are HC. The last 3 hires have been out of desperation....not sensibility or the desire to keep winning....and Donna has that background attitude of giving everyone a trophy who plays regardless if it is one play.....that nice idea that average is the new superior.

WWIN

Some would say that Golden was a hot commodity before we hired him, but why was he not on our list then? When we hired him nobody knew him and it was a surprise to everyone.

Just another illusion created by his agent. Give him credit tho, he has a helluva agent, I hope to become him one day! Lol

WWIN

I just wonder if he had not received the extension in 2011 and left, what would have replaced him in the throes of the worst part of the Shapiro scandal.

Posted by: TonyCane | December 21, 2014 at 01:05 PM

Tony he wasn't going nowhere, UM just needed to call his bluff like they did last year. We read the 300pg binder but didn't read the fine print, but I bet the other schools did. The psu episode last year was all about him getting a raise

WWIN

72 hour bans?

Yaaaawwwwwnnnnn...

Posted by: Go Canes | December 20, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Now that U are banned how does it feel?

72 hours seems like along time now doesn't it?

Posted by: 86Cane | December 21, 2014 at 09:35 AM

Doesn't this prove that he was pREVIOUSLY bANNED before??????? Lol

1mg of Epi

Whoever they hired wouldn't have been a worse Xs& Os guy... Or may I should say COULDNT have been a worse Xs &Os guy. And that's not hyperbole or an exaggeration.

The Dude

The point being is Al Golden is a dime a dozen in the coaching world. There's probably 10 of him available to hire right now. Even with threatened sanctions someone will want the HC job at Miami.

The Dude

^^^ would it have mattered? They could have used up the recruiter type, hired a Mark Stoops and stock the shelves full. It's Miami, the 3 stars are really talented. Looks like the only one who wanted Al was Miami anyways.

TonyCane

I just wonder if he had not received the extension in 2011 and left, what would have replaced him in the throes of the worst part of the Shapiro scandal. The admin was probably worried deeply about this, and Al's agent obviously used this tonaximum leverage. I think the admin panicked in 2011, with some reason.

The Dude

When Miami fired Randy, they needed a top notch guy. Instead they over elevated Al, to which I said "thud." Miami fired a guy because he couldn't learn on the job fast enough and hired a guy that would be learning on the job. Okay fine, I can get behind that for a year. Then what does Miami do? Give him a completely unwarranted contract extension.

The Dude

Al lost his team. I think it will show in the bowl game. Hopefully Miami realize that it's beyong time to address the most toxic situation in CF.

1mg of Epi

Thats true beer re: college doesn't teach any real life skills. I'd still rather have kids smart enough to pass a test, but I wouldn't mind if they allowed a couple of borderline kids in.

As far as your other question, I got sick of AG after GT when I realized the D scheme we saw the first 3 years was a finished product and not some stop gap we were using while the talent developed.

Others saw this earlier, I couldn't believe it was the actually the scheme.

BEERicane

"Deserve Victory: but never achieve it while losing to Duke" The Al Pyrite story.

The Dude

Most talent rich area in the country... Miami doesn't need a 15 million a year coach. Butch is available, championships are available.

The Dude

^^^ I had a problem when he was hired.

TonyCane

That's true...forgot it was a donation.

When I think of lean...I think of Grambling.

BEERicane

Why does everyone seem to have a problem with Al Pyrite all of a sudden?

1mg of Epi

Do you really think the goal is to run as lean as possible? Not disputing it, but if you're right I wonder what the definition of "lean" is? They did make a point of upgrading the facilities (finally), but I can see the point about spending on coaches. Where does Miami rank in the ACC in terms of overall salaries for HC, OC, and DC?

Posted by: TonyCane | December 21, 2014 at 12:10 PM

the goal is to stay in the black, as much black as possible.. They didn't pay for that new building, that was a donation. That Miami is "cheap" is well documented, it's true. They don't have the revenue of the big schools; but they take in more than we think. They're getting over $20 mil a year just for the TV contract.

I'm not sure what we pay coaches, but Alabama is in the $15 mil a year range. We can't and shouldn't compete w that, but we can afford coaches that allow us to compete.

TonyCane

They don't wanna lose, and they care... To a point.

Their Goals:
1) Dont embarrass the school w headline grabbing scandals.
2) Graduate players
3) Get to bowl games

They want to collect as much $ as possible, and run the program as lean as possible.

In all fairness, they've always run the program like this. The difference being in the past they had much more capable decision makers, so they never had to dig out of a hole this deep.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 20, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Do you really think the goal is to run as lean as possible? Not disputing it, but if you're right I wonder what the definition of "lean" is? They did make a point of upgrading the facilities (finally), but I can see the point about spending on coaches. Where does Miami rank in the ACC in terms of overall salaries for HC, OC, and DC?

Ohio_Cane

ICYMI:

Hurricanes Football ‏@CanesFootball 36 minutes ago

Jahair Jones inks NLI with Canes #WelcomeToTheU

BEERicane

Education is weighed too heavily. It's skillz us employers want not fades. I'm not asking what your GPA was in interviews. Trust me. []_[]

Posted by: 360Cane | December 21, 2014 at 09:48 AM

Yup. Unfortunately, kids graduate college with close to zero skills that translate into real world applicability, but they can study for that test.

BigWindyCane1

Rumph would make a good DB coach and recruiter

1mg of Epi

Education is weighed too heavily. It's skillz us employers want not fades. I'm not asking what your GPA was in interviews. Trust me. []_[]

Posted by: 360Cane | December 21, 2014 at 09:48 AM

They don't need to sacrifice quality of student for quality of player. I'd rather have our players than a bunch of morons. FSU can keep their rapist, we can win with guys who are intelligent on and off the field.

We have the talent now, except the guys holding the whistles.

CaneRock


I think this puts some pressure on Golden but the Canes find a way to win and Golden keeps his job.

Posted by: BigWindyCane1 | December 21, 2014 at 10:10 AM

It took Butch saying something to put pressure on Golden? A $2M+ salary isn't enough?

BigWindyCane1

Butch Davis and Barry Jackson are definitely trying to shake things up with an interview like that. I think this puts some pressure on Golden but the Canes find a way to win and Golden keeps his job.

1mg of Epi

Now that U are banned how does it feel?

72 hours seems like along time now doesn't it?

Posted by: 86Cane | December 21, 2014 at 09:35 AM

The avg IQ of post just increased by 40 points

360Cane

Love me some fades when I meant grades. Lol

360Cane

I just wish these clowns would get a clue and stop holding football players to high standards. Like they were all raised with silver spoons in their ass.

Some players just don't give a f*** and want to hit somebody.

Education is weighed too heavily. It's skillz us employers want not fades. I'm not asking what your GPA was in interviews. Trust me. []_[]

SinisterCane

I'll never understand why Golden get so much credit for graduating players when the CANEZ already had a high rate prior to his scam arrival

86Cane

72 hour bans?

Yaaaawwwwwnnnnn...

Posted by: Go Canes | December 20, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Now that U are banned how does it feel?

72 hours seems like along time now doesn't it?

1mg of Epi

Why win 'ships when you can collect checks like that?

Posted by: 360Cane | December 21, 2014 at 09:09 AM

That's my point... Why risk getting a new HC when the present HC graduates players, gets to bowls and avoids scandal.

The team is successful, at least in terms of reaching those goals. They would like to win more but that's a nice to have, not a need to have.

They were 3-6 vs power 5. If national relevance were a goal AG would be gone now.

360Cane

The ACC will collect $83.5 mil for bowl participation this year, to be split evenly amongst the teams. Add that to the $300 mil ACC teams split from the TV contract, which is the about the same as the SEC. The U will be collecting well over $25mil JUST in TV revenue.

Tell me again how cash strapped they are.

#handoverfist

http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=11044060&src=desktop

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2014/12/08/college-football-playoff-conference-payouts
Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 20, 2014 at 01:15 AM

I got something better...

Why win 'ships when you can collect checks like that?

dj moonbat

Incidentally, reading Barry's article on Butch, it looks pretty bad for those of us who cling to hope.

Butch is a little headstrong, but he's not dumb. He knows that this kind of interview, where he's basically lobbying for Al's job, will anger precisely the same people he needs to placate if he actually wants the job.

dj moonbat

I'll come to a game if Butch is HC in 2015.

Posted by: The Dude | December 21, 2014 at 02:48 AM


If Butch is coaching in 2016, I'll come to ALL the home games. One of my kids is looking like college is pretty iffy, anyway.

roachcane77

Quote from Butch: "It’s an “enormous surprise for them to be 6-6. They didn’t appear to be very competitive at the end of the season, seemed like they were punching the clock.”

I felt the same way... Our team showed no spirit or fire at the finish... just "...punching the clock."

That's on the coaches. You need to instill a culture that the players themselves would NEVER allow that to happen. Our coaches have "squelched" that culture. Mediocre coaches, yield mediocre output from players, and mediocre (6-6) results.

But HEY! That's JUST what the UM Admin and AD are looking for!

VA Cane

Hey GC see you got caught in my trap....I wrote Butch Johnson to see if you actually read my posts....you should as I am one of theh keenest football minds you will ever meet. I could lead this team to greatness.....its in my blood brother.....cmon up to VA you need a football transfusion.....your mind is poisoned with the kool aid your beloved AlPa is serving.

Butch will not be back.....but take my word for
it....the team he developed was the best ever...
You are a Golden Baby....know you don't know how great he a

laquinton

 I'll come to a game if Butch is HC in 2015.

Posted by: The Dude | December 21, 2014 at 02:48 AM


Seriously!

The Dude

Here's a question if we fired Al and hired Butch, what's the money look like and how many games do we win next year?

I assume Al has a buyout but he wont get everything if he's coaching. I figure we could Butch's staff cheap. Him and his staff under 5 to 6 million. I think we win the coastal next year and the over under should be at 9 wins. I'm ready to support this. Butch is my coach. I'll come to a game if Butch is HC in 2015.

laquinton

Posted by: BigWindyCane1 | December 21, 2014 at 12:13 AM

That speaks volumes. Butch is spot on. Glad he wants to come back to Miami if the job was open. Sadly I don't think he would even get the time of day. Golden isn't a good talent searcher. And except for Quan whom I think is a good player these northeast kids can't play clearly in south florida. No true leaders on the team everybody says lead by example.. smh. I also think Miami gets blown out by SC..sad but hey this is the new Era of Miami hurricanes football

BigWindyCane1

Here is an interesting read from Barry Jackson

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2014/12/butch-davis-candid-on-state-of-um-program-pat-rileys-message-dolphins-marlins-hot-stove.html

WWIN

72 hour bans?

Yaaaawwwwwnnnnn...

Posted by: Go Canes | December 20, 2014 at 11:38 PM

How many hours did you do? Or years?

WWIN

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 20, 2014 at 11:19 PM

LMAO!

Go Canes

#wearemarshall?

Go Canes

72 hour bans?

Yaaaawwwwwnnnnn...

1mg of Epi

Worst football prez, AD and coach. And that's not even debatable

The unholy trinity

Terrance Sullivan

Sitting here at the Raycom Media Camelia Bowl here in Montgomery rocking my Canes gear. Go Canes! Beat South Carolina!

The Dude

Donna is the worst FB prez in America. Gave extensions to Coker, Shannon and Golden.

1mg of Epi

WW... If only sweat were coaching talent, that ST coach would be in the midst of a dynasty like none we've ever seen.

The Dude

So in theory a six win team can make the NFL playoffs this year? I'm rooting for this to happen and I hope they get to the Superbowl.

1mg of Epi

They don't wanna lose, and they care... To a point.

Their Goals:
1) Dont embarrass the school w headline grabbing scandals.
2) Graduate players
3) Get to bowl games

They want to collect as much $ as possible, and run the program as lean as possible.

In all fairness, they've always run the program like this. The difference being in the past they had much more capable decision makers, so they never had to dig out of a hole this deep. What's disheartening is the fact that now they actually have the revenue to make the changes. They won't.

WWIN

Miami loses badly to SC, any staff changes?

Posted by: The Dude | December 20, 2014 at 10:35 PM

No. It wouldn't be right to fire other coaches when the Special Teams coach is the worst of the bunch. How could you fire somebody else and not him?

The Dude

^^^ That's the feeling I get Epi. They don't care anymore.

1mg of Epi


Poll question:

Miami loses badly to SC, any staff changes?

Posted by: The Dude | December 20, 2014 at 10:35 PM

Nope.
They got to the bowl, that's what matter!
#3-6

1mg of Epi

He will, you know he can resist. He's probably collecting some tweets right now. Lol

Posted by: WWIM | December 20, 2014 at 10:31 PM

Nah.. Too busy copying all those made up stat posts

1mg of Epi

Epi gonna take him OUT! Pit bull style.

Posted by: 86Cane | December 20, 2014 at 10:29 PM

Dalé!!

1mg of Epi

Im smellin blood dude! BLOOD!

The Dude

Poll question:

Miami loses badly to SC, any staff changes?

WWIN

This blog is so much FUN!

Posted by: 86Cane | December 20, 2014 at 10:30 PM

Yeah it is, until the cops come and WWIM is the only one that gets arrested! Lol

WWIN

Hahahaha. I got Epi foaming at the mouth. I dare Go Canes to walk by the fence.

Posted by: The Dude | December 20, 2014 at 10:18 PM

He will, you know he can resist. He's probably collecting some tweets right now. Lol

86Cane

This blog is so much FUN!

86Cane

I got Epi foaming at the mouth. I dare Go Canes to walk by the fence.

Posted by: The Dude | December 20, 2014 at 10:18 PM

Epi gonna take him OUT! Pit bull style.

dj moonbat

Being the same guy every day only makes sense if you never think any new thoughts.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

WWIN

^^^^^^^^^^ You know me well! Lol

#ChessNotCheckers

The Dude

I'm convinced that last post by WW was like 5 months in the making. He was just waiting for SOUP to say something, lol.

The Dude

Posted by: WWIM | December 20, 2014 at 10:17 PM

WW aint 'bout to be caught freelancing. That dude's not giving up a black jersey. Haha. Good post WW.

The Dude

Hahahaha. I got Epi foaming at the mouth. I dare Go Canes to walk by the fence.

WWIN

WWIM...that is why U get jam, U the SAME person everyday! Switch it up, bring game. LOL

Posted by: 86Cane | December 20, 2014 at 09:57 PM

Ain't that what Coach Golden wants?

1mg of Epi

Aight good

#ihatethathashtagcrap

86Cane

EPI...U good, U qualified.

#Relax

86Cane

WWIM...that is why U get jam, U the SAME person everyday! Switch it up, bring game. LOL

1mg of Epi

Sounds like I got the 72 hour grounding, but because it couldn't be verified Imma have to come out swinging next time... so sorry soup, I appologise in advance!

#peerpressure
#4horsemanneedabackup
#3-6vspower5
#uhasthecashnotthewill
#thecloudisBSexcuse
#facilitiesisBSexcuse
#plateofchickenparmiaganbettercoachthanAG

WWIN

WWIM...U need to back it down dude! Give it a rest.

Posted by: SOUP | December 19, 2014 at 06:37 PM

The Dude, I draw these types of comments on a Friday, with no game! I'm the same person EVERYDAY! LOL

86Cane

Epi...I am not sure, all I know is that U can't post comments. That is all I know.

86Cane

We can re-instate you by lifting the ban on your IP addy, your email or your blog name. I say WE because UMike and OhioCane also have banning and reinstatement rights so we make sure we do things in a balanced and fair way.

#TheTriumverate

1mg of Epi

What do we see on our end? For 72 hours the comment boxes disappeared.. Name, email, site and comment

86Cane

When U get banned your IP addy, your bloging name and your email associated with it get clocked, locked and loaded. Most times it is a 72 hour "cooling off period".

Other times it can be fatal.

86Cane

Soup knew we were right, but was so deeply conflicted about admitting it he snapped, smelling like captain morgans, waffles and cocaine he resorted to the ban hammer.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 20, 2014 at 09:16 PM

#CognitiveDissonance

Look it up.

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