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December 19, 2014

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SinisterCane

6-6

30CINCO

Lots of big shoes to be filled next season. None on the list other than Vogel will be back next year.

Congrats to these Canes.

nemo2002

1 - 2 - 3

30CINCO

From CIS:

The Hurricanes have two early signees on board - TE Jerome Washington signed Wednesday, and OL Jahair Jones inked with UM today.

"I'm still in New York, but I'm a Cane," minutes after inking the UM papers. "It feels good to be part of the tradition."

Other Cane targets that are early enrollees are Tim Irvin (longshot), Anthony Jones (FIU commit who many expect to flip to UM), Scott Patchan (Cane commit), Dexter Williams (Cane commit, 50/50 to graduate early), Jaquan Johnson (Cane commit), Charles Perry (Cane commit), Da'Vante Phillips (UM has good chance) and Tevon Coney (longshot). The early high school graduates do not sign binding paperwork before arriving on campus in January.

Certainly the two already on board can help UM immediately. Washington provides great size and athleticism at a position that graduates starter Clive Walford, and Jones will help solidify the weak offensive line depth and could even emerge as a first-year starter if Ereck Flowers opts to turn pro early.

Washington is a great recruiting story line, a prospect who just a year ago never imagined he'd be in this position.

He wasn't recruited out of Stony Brook (NY) High School, not even landing a I-AA offer. So he opted to play club football for Gattaca while attending Mercer Community College.

Gattaca coaches put together a highlight tape, sent it out, and UM was the first to come calling.

"One of our recruiting assistants did a great job with seeing it, watching it and passing it on,"
Cane offensive coordinator James Coley said. "After that a bunch of schools came about, but it's all about being first and identifying guys."

Washington landed a Cane offer Nov. 4, and he committed three days later.

Rutgers, Nebraska, Washington and Alabama were among the schools chasing the rangy tight end.

"It was a no-brainer once (Miami) offered," Washington said. "I know they have a great offense and that if they're recruiting me for tight end that they really want me because they're known for tight ends.

"Miami coaches said they liked the way I run my routes, the way I can catch the ball, that I'm big. They like what I can do with my size. I'm (263) but I can still run routes well."

Washington's size even had some offering him as an offensive lineman.

He was recruited to play tight end at UM and says he'll help out the program wherever he's needed.

"I want to play my freshman year, help the team win in any way that the coaches ask me, do whatever they tell me to do," he said. "I want to just play to the best of my ability."

His Gattaca coach, Manuel Galarza, says the Canes have landed a gem.

"He's a diamond-in-the-rough, a kid no one knew about," Galarza said. "He does so many things well. He's 6-5, has physical talent. He creates mismatches. It's hard to guard a guy like him with a DB or linebacker. I talked to coach (Larry) Scott about it - they feel he can come in and play right away.

"He has so much character, comes to work every day ready to go. He doesn't talk a lot, just comes to play and leads by example. The intangibles for him - he'll be in the weight room, in the classroom, will be bugging coaches about film. He's a perfectionist. He's 20, very mature, two years removed from high school. The last two years were difficult for him thinking it might all be over up until (UM offered) - `Was it worth it for me? Am I still going to play football at the next level?' He made it happen."

Coach Al Golden said of Washington that "`First of all, great character kid. He's got four years of eligibility, so it's a very unique situation for a junior college kid. So from that sense he's a freshman. He's coming in 6-4 and change and 263 pounds. ... He's coming in a big, physical kid. He can go get the ball. This is where he wanted to be, he made no bones about it. A lot of people came in and tried to get him. I think Larry (Scott) did a great job with him and James. He wanted to be a Miami Hurricane. We're excited about him. We'll have him at midyear. That part of it's good."

Golden added "At the end of the day 20 people offered him in a very short period of time. He got stronger, he's a worker, he's smart. He has all the requisite skills. I think he made the right choice. In his heart he knew he could play at the highest level. There's all different paths to get here, this is the path he and his mom chose. It worked out for him because he retained all his eligibility. I wouldn't' recommend that path if someone asked, me, but it really worked out for him and he's a great kid and can't wait to get him into camp."

Jahair Jones
Jones took a more traditional route to UM. A 3-star prospect out of ASA College in New York, he committed to Miami coaches Dec. 15.

Like Washington, Jones had no major offers coming out of high school.

"It's a big shock and a blessing to be at this point," Jones said. "It was a lot of hard work, listening and focusing and dialing in, understanding what coaches have to say, being able to be coachable."

Jones chose UM over Virginia Tech, and he also visited Ohio State.

The 6-foot-4, 315-pounder says he picked Miami "because it just felt like it was a better opportunity for me as a player and I saw the people around there (on his official visit), looked at the whole picture. And I want to play against Florida State, love that rivalry."

His expectations coming in early?

"To work hard, learn the system, lift and get stronger," Jones said.

Coaches told him he will play left tackle.

"The coaches said I can compete for a starting position," Jones said. "I'm going to work my butt of for when the season starts and I plan to start every game."

Jones arrives as a true sophomore - he was qualified out of high school and played one year at ASA College to get more interest. His team finished this season with a 6-2 record.

ASA College head coach Dennis Orlando said of Jones that "he was real comfortable down there at Miami - he's going to fit in there really well. He's a hard worker, is not a `me' guy, is a team guy. I think by him getting here in the spring he'll have a strong chance to contribute in the fall.

"He has the talent to be exceptional in run and pass blocking. He's raw right now because this is only his third year playing football. So he's a raw prospect, but with the right coaching he'll be really good."

SOUP

#ThanksCinco

CoCane

The hoops just lost all of my respect tonight. Getting blown out by a garbage azz team AT HOME tonight. They are officially overrated. Smh. 55 - 33 to Eastern Kentucky! F*ck sports in South Florida this year...

BEERicane

Yup. The hoops team is not actually very good. They beat a bad UF team.

The Dude

^^^ Here we go again, lol. I'll warm up the Cessna, who want's to dig up Coach L's stats from the past few years?

SOUP

Is there ANYTHING that can go right for UM sports right now?

DON'T ANSWER THAT!

SOUP

33 POINTS?

IN A BASKETBALL GAME???

ARE U KIDDING ME???

BigWindyCane1

Eastern Kentucky 72- UM 44.

Go Canes

Best blogger on Canespace by a country mile:

RB with Yearby, Gus, Gray, Walton, Dex and Scarlett. I cannot say who the starter will be. I can say that Yearby and Gus both made significant improvement over the course of the season, but they both have room for improvement. For example, although Gus ran the ball much better this season, I would love to see Gus make a block or learn the entire playbook. I like Gray's explosiveness and big play ability but its obvious he was learning how to play RB. Gray still has flashes of an ability to make big plays and he is not soft. In high school, he made big plays on everyone, including Central. Gray was consistently the most talented football player on the field, but I cannot comment on his off the field work habits.

Walton is explosive. His explosive runs really jump out at you and he is fearless. Walton is still learning the position while Scarlett seems a little more polished but not as bold and explosive in his running style.

The Canes could have one of the deepest RB groups in college football even with the all time leading rusher leaving for the NFL. I think that depth will cause the RBs to push each other and the Canes will have a strong running game as a result.

Posted by: BigWindyCane1 | December 19, 2014 at 08:29 PM

Go Canes

Bring back Butch....to coach the basketball team.

Or the baseball team after their first bad loss.

#thecureforeverything

BEERicane

I don't think that Coach L is the issue at all. His team just doesn't have the talent this yr. He really needs to address PG and C. But the canes were so bad last yr, getting into the rankings is an accomplishment

BEERicane

Golden needs to be given enough time to assemble the finest team CFB has ever seen, then let him go so Butch can win his ship.

The Dude

^^^ that's funny.

WWIN

Bring back Butch....to coach the basketball team.

Or the baseball team after their first bad loss.

#thecureforeverything

Posted by: Go Canes | December 19, 2014 at 09:20 PM

Soup,

This is a prime example of the cat walking by the fence! Lol

WWIN

Probably weren't enough fans at the game tonight? Or maybe it was because it was a night game?

Ever since UM did Butch wrong, we've been cursed!

Go Canes

Cuban embassy opening???

#thanksgolden

Ohio_Cane

Bball team clearly doesn't have talent thanks to the cloud.

#FireCoachL

Go Canes

#volleyballteamneedsbutch

nemo2002

The hoops just lost all of my respect tonight. Getting blown out by a garbage azz team AT HOME tonight. They are officially overrated.

Posted by: CoCane | December 19, 2014 at 08:43 PM

Just wait until ACC action begins.

nemo2002

#AreWeRelevantYet

WWIN

Ohio_Cane, please tell me you not back on the Golden wagon?

WWIN

Coach L haters are out in full effect tonight!

It's a shame when fans can't wait for the basketball team to lose to use as a example to defend Golden! SMH

dj moonbat

Ohio_Cane, please tell me you not back on the Golden wagon?

Posted by: WWIM | December 19, 2014 at 10:50 PM


He just enjoys making fun of us.

Montreal-Cane

GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- Florida quarterback Treon Harris is facing a misdemeanor charge for allegedly operating a motor vehicle without a valid license.

University Police filed a citation Tuesday, and according to court records, Harris has never had a license.

Harris has an arraignment scheduled for Jan. 15 at the Alachua County Courthouse.

Harris was stopped by campus police Dec. 13 at 11:29 p.m. for speeding near the stadium. Two other Florida players, freshmen defensive backs Jalen Tabor and J.C. Jackson, were in the car.

According to police, an odor of marijuana emanated from the car and two plastic bags were found in the car that appeared to hold a small amount of marijuana.

Man Treon Harris idol must be Kevin Olsen. Sad for Ice Harris, he deserves better...

Ohio_Cane

Lol, relax WWIM. Just some good hearted jokes

1mg of Epi

The ACC will collect $83.5 mil for bowl participation this year, to be split evenly amongst the teams. Add that to the $300 mil ACC teams split from the TV contract, which is the about the same as the SEC. The U will be collecting well over $25mil JUST in TV revenue.

Tell me again how cash strapped they are.

#handoverfist

http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=11044060&src=desktop

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2014/12/08/college-football-playoff-conference-payouts

WWIN

Lol, relax WWIM. Just some good hearted jokes

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | December 20, 2014 at 01:04 AM

Lol. I was just asking

Go Canes

If I were to guess it costs that whole $25 million just to run the football team.

dj moonbat

The ACC will collect $83.5 mil for bowl participation this year, to be split evenly amongst the teams. Add that to the $300 mil ACC teams split from the TV contract, which is the about the same as the SEC. The U will be collecting well over $25mil JUST in TV revenue.

Tell me again how cash strapped they are.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 20, 2014 at 01:15 AM


Just remember that if UM plows $10-15 million into a new coaching staff for football, they also have to find ways to put $10-15 million into women's athletics. You CAN'T have a big-time football program (and basketball program) without having a full-blown coed athletic powerhouse at your school.

Some schools, that's no big deal. Because those schools are huuuuge. They can have gigantic athletic departments and still have a reasonably balanced university campus. But UM is not nearly so big. If UM tries to keep up with UMIch in football spending, it will necessarily be spending similar amounts to fuel an athletic department that serves approximately one-third the number of undergraduate students.

That means you wouldn't JUST be overspending on football (which you would be). You'd be overspending TWICE -- once on football, once on athletics in general.

So it's not (to my mind) a question of whether UM "has the money." The regulatory regime makes it doubly painful for a small university to overfund its football team. And if you take your duties as a trustee seriously, you can't ignore that fact. If your university is getting approximately $30 million this year from football, is it really sound judgment to blow essentially all that money on getting a new football coach?

Obviously, for me -- and a lot of UM fans -- the answer is 'hellz, yes!!!' But we bear no fiduciary obligations to do what's best for the University of Miami overall. We just love us some 'Canes football.

Go Canes

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Go Canes

Good post dj.

Think that $30 million is for all sports, not just football though. ACC basketball programs are a pretty big part of that too.

dj moonbat

Think that $30 million is for all sports, not just football though. ACC basketball programs are a pretty big part of that too.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 20, 2014 at 09:07 AM


Ah, yes. I forget about ACC basketball and what a huge deal it is to much of the eastern seaboard.

1mg of Epi

How can it cost $25 mil to run the football program. The biggest expense other than coaches would be travel 5 times a year....

In any event, that ACC money is up $20mil over years past. Due to te new TV contract... With $0 increase in overhead that's just the TV money.

$20,000,000.00 in found money annually....


To suggest they can't afford a coaching staff is ludicrous.

1mg of Epi

Wait!! Plus that sweet Adidas money!!!

GRUDEN!!!

1mg of Epi

LOMBARDI!!!!!

Ok I'm out

dj moonbat

To suggest they can't afford a coaching staff is ludicrous.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 20, 2014 at 09:39 AM


Not suggesting that.

Go Canes

Let’s leave aside the vast majority of American college football programs and focus for a moment on the profitability of this top tier. The so-called top tier is comprised of just over 120 teams in the NCAA Division 1-A, now known more commonly as the Football Bowl Series (FBS) programs. While there is supposedly astronomical revenue to be made for universities in this tier, the idea of “profitability” among these programs is actually very muddy. Take the University of Alabama’s football team, for example, which had the third highest revenue during the 2011-2012 season, generating $110 million. While a typical SEC program spends around $27 million on its football team each year, Alabama reported about $41.5 million of operational expenses. Those expenses do not include the athletic department’s debt service payments, which would have added about $13 million more to its overall expenses. There was also $37 million of the athletic department’s budget not allocated to any particular sport or gender of athlete, and it’s not clear how much of that piece of the pie football received.

Go Canes

Average SEC team spends $27 million each. And nearly all are public, with a tuition that on average is likely a third of ours.

1mg of Epi

I'm curious what a P & L would look like. Are these universities for or non profit? Are the football teams run as separate corporations? Are they even corps?

I would think that the books would be muddy.

My point isn't that we generate Alabama money, my point is that we generate enough money to not be held hostage by an incompetent coach.

I was making the point the other day that the admin is pretty happy collecting their ACC money and going to bowl games. Just posting what exactly this means.

1mg of Epi

Go canes... Do you have a link to that quote u posted. Just curious..

What you posted suggests that Bama profits anywhere from $20-$70 mill each year, with expenses nearly twice that of other SEC programs. That's good money.

It makes sense why a university would not want to open their coffers to fund a team... The conference revenue is split evenly regardless of each teams performance.

Go Canes

http://www.ethosreview.org/intellectual-spaces/is-college-football-profitable/

1mg of Epi

http://www.ethosreview.org/intellectual-spaces/is-college-football-profitable/
Posted by: Go Canes | December 20, 2014 at 10:13 AM

A couple of take always from this article...

Marshall's expenses are 7mil, so there is a wide variance.... I would expect UMs to be closer to Marshall than Bama. With just the revenue we know they get, they should be turning a tidy profit.

The best way to spike sustainable profitability is to finish in the top 20. One would suspect that a competent staff would easily do this.

dj moonbat

I was making the point the other day that the admin is pretty happy collecting their ACC money and going to bowl games. Just posting what exactly this means.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 20, 2014 at 10:01 AM


I doubt they're "pretty happy." I'm sure they would prefer to have a better football team, and I'm a little less sure that they understand
Al Golden isn't going to bring them a better football team.

Guys like Go Canes are being a little disingenuous, or maybe they just believe the wrong people, when they say UM doesn't have the money. It does.

But to analogize: the Moonbat family has the money to buy nicer cars than we drive. But doing so would also commit us to pay more for insurance, and we'd have to move up to premium gasoline. And all that money could be going to something else which we also value.

So occasionally when I see a nice Audi on the road, I wish we would spend that money on the fancy car. But we aren't gonna -- not because we can't, and not because I don't give a damn about having a nice car, but because it's not important ENOUGH to justify the reallocation of funds.

Terrance Sullivan

Moonbat bringing the Heat today. Mad props Brotha.

dj moonbat

The best way to spike sustainable profitability is to finish in the top 20. One would suspect that a competent staff would easily do this.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 20, 2014 at 10:28 AM


It's speculative, though -- hiring a new coach is never a guarantee.

To do a cost/benefit analysis of a hire, an administrator or trustee needs to compare the current baseline 'profitability' of the program vs. the 'profitability' of the program with a competent coach TIMES THE PROBABILITY that the competent coach would succeed to make UM a top football team. This is called the Expected Value of the decision to switch: (change in profitability) x (probability of success). (This is actually a simplified formula which omits the downside risk accounting.)

Also, you have to consider that the size of the 'spike' you're talking about might not actually be that huge. Right now, the whole UM coaching staff costs probably less than $5 million. The incoming money from the FBS and TV that can be attributed to football is several times that. Is a Top 20 team going to make, say, double the money of the current dumpster fire? If so, when you multiply that new money times the probability of the new coach succeeding, it might be a profitable decision. If it's only 25% more, it's much less likely to be profitable.

All this sh!t is way, way more complex than either side is letting on.

Ohio_Cane

Did we fire Coach L and bring back Haith yet?

1mg of Epi

All this sh!t is way, way more complex than either side is letting on.

Posted by: dj moonbat | December 20, 2014 at 10:49 AM

What about the opportunity cost of keeping this staff... There will be a steady decline of butts in seats etc.

You can get a general idea of how Ws= $. I posted year over year attendance a few weeks ago. If memory serves there was a bump of 15-20k per game durung/following good years. Assume only 10k more per game and do the math. Obviously w more ears on the radio that $ goes up as well. As do other revenue streams.

How one would turn probability of success into an objective quantity, I dunno. According to the article success means top 20... The variable "success" sure gets closer to .1000 using that definition.

My only point was that there is money to improve coaching, all the talk to the contrary is little more than spin which we've all bought into. Just like the idea that facilities preclude us from being competitive. Spin.

1mg of Epi

So occasionally when I see a nice Audi on the road, I wish we would spend that money on the fancy car. But we aren't gonna -- not because we can't, and not because I don't give a damn about having a nice car, but because it's not important ENOUGH to justify the reallocation of funds.

Posted by: dj moonbat | December 20, 2014 at 10:34 AM

This is my point.. This is why 6-6 is ok, it keeps the revenue flowing, or using your analogy gets em from point A to point b.

We need to stop assuming Al will be gone next year. As long as he's going to bowl games, graduating players and avoiding headline grabbing scandals.. he's gonna be safe.

Surfercane

Moon -

I drove an Audi A6 for a year after driving my Lexus for 9. So I treated myself. Not worth it, $650 a month and at the end of the day my arms weren't any bigger! Turn it in and got a 2014 Lexus GS F for $450 a month. Much better... You are a wise man for not allocating those funds to the "it car".

I spoke to my UM insider and he has assured me after bowl game heads are gonna roll. Most the time His information is accurate. He is a former player from Miami, speaks with several trustees and gives $$ to program. He feels coach Dno may be gone, especially if we lose bowl game. According to my "source" over half of trustees wanted coach Golden gone at end of season. Blake James saved his job for one more year. Just wanted to pass along. Got me excited! :)

Go Canes

Our budget is not Alabama's but it's certainly no where near Marshall's.

If I had to guess, we are near what the average sec team spends, maybe a little less because we pay our coaches less.

jsy

For my Christmas miracle I pray that Pitt does not hire nurduzzi and steals the great golden one away from us

dj moonbat

This is my point.. This is why 6-6 is ok, it keeps the revenue flowing, or using your analogy gets em from point A to point b.

We need to stop assuming Al will be gone next year. As long as he's going to bowl games, graduating players and avoiding headline grabbing scandals.. he's gonna be safe.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 20, 2014 at 12:00 PM


Yeah, I figured that's what you meant. There are those, however, who say that the admin/trustees are pursuing an intentional plan to field as bad a football team as they can without getting kicked out of the ACC.

VA Cane

It is easy to knock those who long for Butch my friend. While I am sure you have no clue as to his genius, and though I am sure the amateurs who run this sinking ship have no plan to bring him back, one thing is clear:
Butch Johnson built the greatest college football team ever assembled.
While your beloved AlPa is a nice guy, he will never sit good with the UM base until he climbs the mountain to the top. Unfortunately, that is not in his persona...he may have landed the job, but cannot deliver the goods.

dj moonbat

Butch Johnson built the greatest college football team ever assembled.

Posted by: VA Cane | December 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM


when and where?

Go Canes

He had Duke Williams at RB didn't he?

trianglecane

Butch Johnson = Jacksonville St.

SOUP

My only point was that there is money to improve coaching, all the talk to the contrary is little more than spin which we've all bought into. Just like the idea that facilities preclude us from being competitive. Spin.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 20, 2014 at 11:45 AM

People are making two different arguements me thinks?

Does Miami have enough money to upgrade coaching? YES

Dose Miami have Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama, UF or Ohio State kind of money? NO

SOUP

Butch Johnson = Jacksonville St.

Posted by: trianglecane | December 20, 2014 at 12:57 PM

DAMN...U beat me to it!

Well played Sir, well played.

RCCF

Epi is Definitely a 12%er.... Golden Still Needs to be Fired Imagine being a Chicago Bears fan..Same coaching issues..Hurt on Saturday and Sunday (tragic)....I just wanna WIN..

RCCF

ButchJohnson Ha!! But I rather have Chud..Moss..TRob..Dorsey..Reed..Thomas DreamTeam or Keep Ice, Carroll, Coley(changed role), and Swasey of course...

SJMPARMAN

IPTTAY - I was in Anderson SC (Clemson) in the late 1980's for a family wedding. I saw many bumper stickers with these initials as we drove around town. I askd someone what it meant. They told me it means I Pay Ten Thousand A Year to support Clemson football. This is the other source of revenue for football teams.

Alabama, Michigan, Clemson, Florida and these other big schools can pay buyouts because the booster program is a huge cash cow. For Miami, not so much. We got one big contribution from a former player recently. But think of the millions and millions ex Canes have earned in the NFL. As much talk we hear from former players about the state of Canes football they don't empty their pockets like boosters at other schools do. Yet, I am sure that there is revenue there for Miami to tap into for athletics that is not being considered in the discussion of financial balance of Hurricane athletics.

1mg of Epi

If I had to guess, we are near what the average sec team spends, maybe a little less because we pay our coaches less.
Posted by: Go Canes | December 20, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Go Canes... You can't tell me on the one hand that Miami is a small private school lacking the revenue to compete with the big boys, and on the other Miami spends the same amount as the average SEC team. These statements are mutually exclusive. I know you don't like to state absolutes, but I do believe you have insinuated this.

Miami doesn't have the same expenses as these schools... We don't have a stadium to upkeep, nor indoor practice facilities etc. We don't have the debt service these programs have, interest etc. Of course We coukdnt apply depreciation like these schools, and other LI, that would affect (reduce) taxes. I would even argue our recruiting expenses are significantly less, or should be, because we shouldn't have to be flying around the country. Which these other schools do in their private jets, which costs a fortune.

Other expenses would be in line w the SEC schools, like travel for games. Of course Marshall would also be spending the same amount.

Again, my only point is that the U generates enough revenue to be competitive... Which many seem to think we can't.

1mg of Epi

People are making two different arguements me thinks?
Does Miami have enough money to upgrade coaching? YES
Dose Miami have Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama, UF or Ohio State kind of money? NO

Posted by: SOUP | December 20, 2014 at 01:01 PM

Soup.. I think I'm the only one harping on the money issue lol... We've all bought into the fact that Miami is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy, at lease the athletics dept.

My point is that the U is generating significant revenue, has a team going to a bowl game, and a coach who has kept players graduating while avoiding scandals.... And this is, according to them, success.

The admin doesn't want to drive the program into the ground, nor are they willing to invest what is needed to make it a top 20 program.

We all seem to assume AG will be gone next year... I doubt this is the case, so long as he reaches a bowl game.

1mg of Epi

I spoke to my UM insider and he has assured me after bowl game heads are gonna roll. Most the time His information is accurate. He is a former player from Miami, speaks with several trustees and gives $$ to program. He feels coach Dno may be gone, especially if we lose bowl game. According to my "source" over half of trustees wanted coach Golden gone at end of season. Blake James saved his job for one more year. Just wanted to pass along. Got me excited! :)

Posted by: Surfercane | December 20, 2014 at 12:18 PM

I fail to see how firing one assistant on the worst staff in major college football can considered a "heads are rolling" situation.

This is a "placate the fans" thing, not a "we want to be competitive" thing.

1mg of Epi

Epi is Definitely a 12%er.... Golden Still Needs to be Fired Imagine being a Chicago Bears fan..Same coaching issues..Hurt on Saturday and Sunday (tragic)....I just wanna WIN..

Posted by: RCCF | December 20, 2014 at 01:20 PM

We are in the worst division of the worst conference, with 8-10 NFLers... We shouldn't have lost more than one, and even that's pushing it.

WWIN

Did we fire Coach L and bring back Haith yet?

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | December 20, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Nah, he's won a ACC Title and several championships, been to the Final Four, and won coach of the year several times. He should have a life time contract!

Now on the other hand... (somebody fill in the blank for me)

Lol

miamicane

I remember under Randy we fielded a lot of johnsons but we still we not tough enough to last for 4quarters . Lol

MDCane

I may be in the minority here, but what the heck. I don't think the entire staff needs to go. The D-Line, and DB coach definitely needs to be replaced. Our pass rush sucks, and DB always in prevent mode instead of man up. Now, could that be the D-Coordinator’s fault…the HC needs to make that call. Offensively, I think we’re fine, just need to take off the sympathy girdle and turn the players loose.

Go Canes

We can absolutely spend what they spend, and we do it. The difference is the revenue remaining to reinvest in the arms race currently taking place.

85 scholarship players gets you to nearly $4 million. Our coaching and support staff likely costs us at least $6-7million. That's $10 million and you haven't paid out a single expenditure.

It doesn't take long to get to you north of $20 million.

miamicane

Its always been accepted that it is easier to coach defense than offense. The d philosophy is. To pursue the ball and punish the ball carrier. But our coaches want to play soft and still get up field in chasing the ball
I guess the only excuse you have when your d is getting gashed is its really complicated. Us old canes know that they are just making excuses for being soft coaches.

WWIN

Posted by: MDCane | December 20, 2014 at 02:54 PM

I don't think the DB coach is in control of where the DB's line up or whether they play man or zone. He teaches them how to play man and zone, how to jam, how to back peddle. What they do is called by the DC

The Dude

Preach 1mg. This choir hears the gospel.

1mg of Epi

I may be in the minority here, but what the heck. I don't think the entire staff needs to go. The D-Line, and DB coach definitely needs to be replaced. Our pass rush sucks, and DB always in prevent mode instead of man up. Now, could that be the D-Coordinator’s fault…the HC needs to make that call. Offensively, I think we’re fine, just need to take off the sympathy girdle and turn the players loose.

Posted by: MDCane | December 20, 2014 at 02:54 PM

Most of the deficiencies you point out are due to scheme, and this scheme belongs to the HC. It really doesn't matter who the DC or position coaches are, the scheme dictates that 1st and 10 will be a prevent, as will 3rd and goal from the 3. If you want DL in the backfield and DBs not lined up 8 deep and back peddling at the snap, then you need a new HC. This is why a new DC won't matter.

The Dude

Having trouble with deciding my end of year blogger awards votes.

Blogger of the Year: dj moonbat
Rookie Blogger of the Year: 1mg of Epi
The We Hardly Knew You Award: Nick
Most Wrong About Everything: Go Canes
Cracking the Most Wise: The Dude
Most Likely to Get Banned: CaneRock

Is okay to vote for myself?
Best Avatars: raizecane

1mg of Epi

We don't have the same expenditures because we don't have the same expenses. If we compared our line items to theirs there would be major differences.

Why would have facility expenses for facilities we don't have? Why would have fuel/lease/salary etc associated to the private jets we don't have.

It is precisely because of the lack of reinvestment into the program that we don't have these expenses.

My point is that we have the income to afford a competent coaching staff. The opportunity cost of keeping this staff justifies making a move.

We constantly hear that finances are the barrier to a decent staff, and therefore to being competitive... It's a fairy tale.

The Dude

In Utah's commercial they called themselves "the u." Miami should sue.

BEERicane

Utah has a better football program than we do at this point.

BEERicane

We are facing a losing season heading into the bowl game.

The Dude

I'm calling 6-7 for the Canes. They losing to Gamecocks.

The Dude

How are bowl ticket sales?

WWIN

Posted by: The Dude | December 20, 2014 at 04:13 PM

I feel left out???????

WWIN

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 20, 2014 at 04:04 PM

#TrueStory

SOUP

Blogger of the Year: dj moonbat
Rookie Blogger of the Year: 1mg of Epi
The We Hardly Knew You Award: Nick
Most Wrong About Everything: Go Canes
Cracking the Most Wise: The Dude
Most Likely to Get Banned: CaneRock

Is okay to vote for myself?
Best Avatars: raizecane

Posted by: The Dude | December 20, 2014 at 04:13 PM

I APPROVE!

The Dude

Posted by: WWIM | December 20, 2014 at 05:26 PM

Hey, you were a finalist for Most Likely to get Banned.

1mg of Epi


We are facing a losing season heading into the bowl game.

Posted by: BEERicane | December 20, 2014 at 05:19 PM

I believe we are 3-6 vs power 5. I'd call that a losing season

SOUP

What about The Legends of the Fall?

Which players made the final list and which ones didn't? Duke and Denzell were ineligible.

Walford?
McCord?
Armbrister?
Bush?
Yearby?
Kaaya?
Dorsett?
OL/DL???
Punter?

SOUP

Hey, you were a finalist for Most Likely to get Banned.

Posted by: The Dude | December 20, 2014 at 06:01 PM

Tru dat!

WWIN

Hey, you were a finalist for Most Likely to get Banned.

Posted by: The Dude | December 20, 2014 at 06:01 PM

Lol! I should at least get the 4 Horsemen of the year award????

I think that award goes to SinisterCane tho! I'm a close second, CaneRock does too much free lancing!

VfB_Cane

Posted by: SOUP | December 20, 2014 at 06:15 PM

Did you leave out the coaches on purpose to keep it civil?
This year, I'd call that category the "Blind Squirrel Award" LOL

1mg of Epi

Preach 1mg. This choir hears the gospel.
Posted by: The Dude | December 20, 2014 at 04:03 PM

Our Gospel is truth, our truth is the gospel.

3-6 vs Power 5. That's Golden's truth.

SOUP

VfB...which coach EARNED it??? I could not think of one?

1mg of Epi

Blogger of the Year: dj moonbat
Rookie Blogger of the Year: 1mg of Epi
The We Hardly Knew You Award: Nick
Most Wrong About Everything: Go Canes
Cracking the Most Wise: The Dude
Most Likely to Get Banned: CaneRock

Is okay to vote for myself?
Best Avatars: raizecane

Posted by: The Dude | December 20, 2014 at 04:13 PM

I APPROVE!

Posted by: SOUP | December 20, 2014 at 06:00 PM

I am honestly feeling a bit of pride right now!!

SOUP

I think that award goes to SinisterCane tho! I'm a close second, CaneRock does too much free lancing!

Posted by: WWIM | December 20, 2014 at 06:17 PM

Sinister DID get banned for 72 hours. Then he got back in. Now we are doing a feature on the blog on him as a Canes fan. Order up:

1. NativeCane
2. SinisterCane
3. OhioCane
4. WWIM
5. TheDude
6. djMoonbat
7. Terrance
8. RCCF
9. OldSkool
10. WindyCity Cane

SOUP

I am honestly feeling a bit of pride right now!!

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 20, 2014 at 06:23 PM

As well U should young man, as well U should.

VfB_Cane


O: Walford
D: Armbrister
Frosh: Kaaya
ST: Vogel
Coach: Coley (as QB coach)

SOUP

VfB..hard to argue. What about OL/DL? Frosh or reg?

The Dude

I have no problem with there being multiple recipients of a LOF award. That said...

O: Walford
D: Armbrister
F: Kaaya
ST: Vogel
C: Kehoe

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