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December 12, 2014

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86Cane

LAST!

Ohio_Cane

Just curious who the wise guy was lol

WWIN

^^^^^ why ask then? Lol

Ohio_Cane

Um, I don't care much, hence the "LOL"

Ohio_Cane

Ariz:

**This weekend did not do much for Miami with Tim Irvin. A strong in-home visit by Charlie Strong last Thursday made a big impression on him. Still a fluid situation, but the visit did not boost Miami any higher up than they already were.

**There is talk about Anthony Jones flipping to Miami and that is accurate right now. The one thing I will say is the Canes would take him as a receiver, not a running back, and I'm a fan of that move. Jones is built physically like Rashawn Scott and that is a very good thing. He could see the field early at Miami.

**Last weekend while on his official visit to Miami, Da'Vante Phillips was telling people at Miami that he would be a Cane come signing day. Of course, things like that rarely turn out to be true, but it is something worth passing along. Phillips is very close to Anthony Jones and that could play a bigger role than most realize.

**Tevon Coney took an official to Miami over the weekend, but it was just a formality. Don't expect anything to come of it.

**Miami is extremely high on JUCO OT Jahair Jones and he is absolutely a take for them. The staff has made him a major priority and they believe he has the ability to step in and play from day one. He would be a very big get.

**There has been a lot of talk about Jacksonville product Javarius Davis over the past few weeks, but I am told he is not a priority for Miami right now, mainly because of his size. He took an official this weekend, but again he is not expected in this class.

**Keep an eye on a kid that DMoney mentioned yesterday in the his post about the most underrated players in South Florida, Robert Knowles. Miami is looking at Knowles as a possible sign-and-place candidate because there are still some questions about his grades. If everything checks out with him, I would not be surprised to see Miami offer late in the game. The kid is a stud.

WWIN

^^^^^^^^^^^ I did! How does it feel now? LMAO

Ohio_Cane

Who deleted my post? LOL

Ohio_Cane

In Sam Bruce, are we getting another Santana Moss? They seem eerily similar to me from what I've seen of him.

Posted by: Canezitis | December 14, 2014 at 07:24 PM
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Yes. Kid is a beast.

(IF he sticks)

Sarasota 'cane

Has a Procane scored a TD every week since the last run ended? If so it would be cool to have a counter in the margin somewhere to keep track of the current streak.

WWIN

Ohio_Cane, well played on twitter, way to play it off!! Lol

dj moonbat

Allowing someone like him access, because of his money, had a little to do with the trouble.

Posted by: 30CINCO | December 14, 2014 at 06:13 PM


Yes, but the NCAA didn't investigate UM because his money came from a Ponzi scheme. They investigated UM because his money went to people associated with UM athletics. His interactions with athletes and recruits would have been just as bad if he had been a local attorney trying to break into the sports agency field.

1mg of Epi

If I had to guess, VA is currently sleeping one off.
Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 07:39 PM

Very possible.. But I have a feeling that's just who he is

Canezitis

In Sam Bruce, are we getting another Santana Moss? They seem eerily similar to me from what I've seen of him.

SOUP

1. Soup, when I try to give the blog a vacation my name be poppin!

2. Carry on!

Posted by: WWIM | December 14, 2014 at 06:52 PM

1. U to popular NOT to be poppin.

2. So on we go!

SOUP

Magic Benton

1mg of Epi

by: 1mg of Epi | December 14, 2014 at 06:39 PM
I thought Al the Perv was actually worse. That is a heinous thing to call someone when it's obvious what the connotation was.
Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 06:49 PM

Yea. its definitely worse to be a pedophile than a jew. The insinuation was that the fact that he is Jewish in some way has something to do with his theivery... In any event, being good at coaching pee wee football certainly doesn't require being good at being a human being.

WWIN

Let me guess: WWIM???

Posted by: SOUP | December 14, 2014 at 05:29 PM

And what would you call WWIM?

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 14, 2014 at 06:39 PM

Soup, when I try to give the blog a vacation my name be poppin! Then when I'm hear people call me a blog hog! I guess dj moonbat wuz right, I guess it's jus my name! LMAO

Carry on!

Raizecane

Excepting would have been fine but the accepting causes prolem mang! LOL

DemCanes!!!

Posted by: NativeCane | December 14, 2014 at 06:43 PM

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Thats a great Tony Montana impression, lol.

NativeCane

Donna punished the players for the same exact thing she did, "excepting benefits."Posted by: SinisterCane | December 14, 2014 at 05:54 PM

Excepting would have been fine but the accepting causes prolem mang! LOL

DemCanes!!!

2002nemo

Four years ago when Al Golden was introduced as our new football coach, Donna Shalala also announced a fundraising "SPRINT FOR UM ATHLETICS".
Whatever became of that?
Shouldn't we all be demanding some accountability!

WWIN

Facts not fiction......ya get what ya paid for.....but GC is loving him some AlPa!!!!!!

Posted by: VA Cane | December 14, 2014 at 05:01 PM

Well Damn!!!!

Now if I had said this.....

Lol

mi@mic@ne

BUTCH is not only a good recruiter but hes as good as Jimmy at evaluating talent. Butch also has the Cane mentality and brings in the player with the chip on his shoulder. You cant teach someone how to be a Cane...Butch naturally has that attitude and thats why the players that have that mentality want to play for him. BRING BACK BUTCH !!

WWIN

Who introduced Shapiro to Alvarez?

Posted by: CaneRock | December 14, 2014 at 05:05 PM

Let me guess: WWIM???

Posted by: SOUP | December 14, 2014 at 05:29 PM

I get blamed for everything! Lol

1mg of Epi

Donna punished the players for the same exact thing she did, "excepting benefits."
Posted by: SinisterCane | December 14, 2014 at 05:54 PM

The prez is supposed to accept benefits. Her job is to find as many people willing to give her benefits as possible. If she were able to find more people willing to give her benefits we might be able to afford a coaching staff able to figure out some wayt to defend the goal line other than the prevent.

UpNorthCane27

HOWABOUT DEM PATS?!!!!

just gor back from the game, goddamn when Tom Brady gets it going, he really gets it going.

And that bill belichick defense is a beauty 3-4 but versatile and aggressive and they man up and they attack and beat your ass!!!!

30CINCO

The U's trouble with Shapiro had zero to do with the criminal ORIGINS of his money, and everything to do with his involvement with the athletic department.

Posted by: dj moonbat | December 14, 2014 at 05:46 PM
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The origins of his money is one of the reasons why we are where we are. The criminal is a con-artist who conned rich, "intelligent" people out of billions. He was involved WITH the athletic department for his "need" to be close to the U, as well as his need for money.

He wanted to be their agents, not for free . He conned some university members, AND some of their friends.

Allowing someone like him access, because of his money, had a little to do with the trouble.

The Dude

I don't know a whole lot about the traffic flow of a lot of stadiums, but Qualcomm has to be near the top for the ease of getting in and out. You can even take the trolly.

SinisterCane

Donna punished the players for the same exact thing she did, "excepting benefits."

The Dude

Qualcomm Stadium is always getting dogged by the Chargers, but they're lying. Qualcomm is a fine stadium. Sure it's an older stadium but it is far from rundown. Even if San Diego approved a billion dollar stadium, there's no way they'll find a better location than Mission Valley. There's no reason to spend a billion when a few million will do a really good job. I don't think LA will get them a billion dollar stadium either. The NFL is pissing me off. They keep trying to use LA to hold cities hostage into paying for their product. Qualcomm is perfectly fine.

dj moonbat

She knew he was a ponzi schemer? Shalala is a real B for taking that check knowing that info.

Posted by: 30CINCO | December 14, 2014 at 05:13 PM


The U's trouble with Shapiro had zero to do with the criminal ORIGINS of his money, and everything to do with his involvement with the athletic department.

VfB_Cane

OK, I need somebody to do some research:
Posted by: SOUP | December 14, 2014 at 02:17 PM

You've got mail ....

The Dude

^^^ It's why slow-mo was invented.

SOUP

Do D'no and Golden really have a romantic game of twister planned for tonite?

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 14, 2014 at 05:22 PM

MUST get this vision out of my head...

SOUP

Who introduced Shapiro to Alvarez?

Posted by: CaneRock | December 14, 2014 at 05:05 PM

Let me guess: WWIM???

SOUP

Love the commercial where Kate Upton is riding a horse.

Posted by: The Dude | December 14, 2014 at 04:28 PM

No doubt, that is quality TV right there and I don't care what ANYBODY says!

SOUP

Miami's checkdowns were really predictable this season. I saw defenses bait Miami's O several times with their looks on 3rd down.

Posted by: The Dude | December 14, 2014 at 03:10 PM

YUP

1mg of Epi

oh yeah my brother wrote the song for the u ii-- featuring trick daddy.
Posted by: i'llalwaysbeacanefanbut. . . | December 14, 2014 at 05:18 PM

An INSIDER!!! When do the BOTs meet again? When are they firing golden? When does the on campus stadium open? Do D'no and Golden really have a romantic game of twister planned for tonite?

i'llalwaysbeacanefanbut. . .

watching the U part ii. i'm convinced that butch needs to be the coach-- now!

oh yeah my brother wrote the song for the u ii-- featuring trick daddy.

30CINCO

Do you think the president of Alabama, FSU, Texas, Georgia to name a few knows where the literally billions worth of booster donations come from?

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 03:03 PM


Do you think in that photo at the bowling alley Donna knew that check came from the short guy a few feet to her right?

Posted by: dj moonbat | December 14, 2014 at 03:11 PM
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She knew he was a ponzi schemer? Shalala is a real B for taking that check knowing that info.

1mg of Epi

I'd bet I could count on one hand the number of times Coley called a bubble screen this year as just about everyone I saw was a check down. I can't remember the look right now but I think it was 2 WR with 1 CB up and a Safety on top = Brad's option to screen to the Slot WR, maybe it was Flank WR, I can't remember. What I can say is in Miami's O the bubble screen is a check down 90% of the time.

Posted by: The Dude | December 14, 2014 at 02:52 PM

That screen definitely was a check down... But it's in the play book and I think in the va game when those outside blitzes were coming would've been a good time to call it.

CaneRock

Who introduced Shapiro to Alvarez?

VA Cane

Why would you not go to Auburn? They played for the NC last year, won it before that. What in the wide world of sports has UH done since......Andre Ware the fraud.....they are a minor program...I played against them in college... Bill Yeoman was the coach....they ran the run and shoot....I blocked a FG at the end to preserve a 33-30 win and they were ranked......oh the memories

Miami is not going to get a good coach cheap....those days are over.....you got a bad coach for big $ til 2019 that ought to make GC happy....real happy lover Boy AlPa til then!!!!! Muschamp will build a good D...thats his forte....he may not be a HC......AlPa is not a good HC....he is not a college assistant.....he's firmly a recruiter only!!!!!!


I am so tired of people making excuses for AlPa...nice guy horrible coach.....keep believing in that process crap....I have a process too.....that has PRODUCED 6 SBs in 8 years....thats production.....they may be 14 but they are far more developed that his players...they are fundamentally sound....aggressive talented and WIN!!!!

To continue to make excuses, for whatever reason is futile and pointless.....it shows you never played nor don't know anything about this game....I DO!!!!! Things will not change until you get a real coach here.....sorry he is not a coach....he is a recruiter ......get him a Whimp Sanderson checked jacket, some Vitalis in his hair, a few more doughnuts under his belt, a little more sweat, a Bill Haley spit curl on his forehead...put him on a corner used car lot from American Grafitti....you got it bro....AlPa JoPervs Bill Cosbys Temple revival wonder....
AlPa the used car salesman turned college recruiter!!!!!

Facts not fiction......ya get what ya paid for.....but GC is loving him some AlPa!!!!!!

1mg of Epi

The difference is the president of a big time school wouldn't have even wasted their time on $50k.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 03:17 PM

Fwiw... That check presentation wasn't planned. The rat surprised DS when he handed it to her.

Da U N Houston

Didn't we have a lot of recruits on campus?

The Dude

Let's go Chargers.

The Dude

Love the commercial where Kate Upton is riding a horse.

CaneRock

The difference is the president of a big time school wouldn't have even wasted their time on $50k.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 03:17 PM

Is that right? I'd like to know who this big timer is that thinks $50K is chump change.

nemo2002

Slow post day.

Any Canes recruiting news?

Go Canes

Posted by: dj moonbat | December 14, 2014 at 03:50 PM

It was shown?

Where?

Happy Sunday everyone.

SinisterCane

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 03:48 PM

You started it, enjoy the rest of your Sunday playa

dj moonbat

That happens every single day in big time athletics. The difference is the president of a big time school wouldn't have even wasted their time on $50k.
Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 03:17 PM


So you start with "the president doesn't know where the money comes from," and when shown that in this case the president DOES know, you shift to "yeah, but the check wasn't very big..."

Quality argumentation there.

Go Canes

Posted by: SinisterCane | December 14, 2014 at 03:35 PM

This isn't a conversation worth having. Believe what you want.

SinisterCane

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 03:17 PM

I forgot it's all good since other are doing it also. Do other presidents cause tsunamis' within they're own athletic department then hold the players accountable? In the future you might not want to use programs that are committed to winning to compare to Donna

dj moonbat

Everyone will probably like this, but Beericane especially:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/beer-mile-chug-run-repeat/

Go Canes

Lol. And?


That happens every single day in big time athletics. The difference is the president of a big time school wouldn't have even wasted their time on $50k.

SinisterCane

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 03:03 PM

Playing naïve to the facts is not good enough. It they didn't vet Nevins background enough that's on them. She has to take the good with bad when your the Prez and what does Alabama, FSU, Texas and Georgia with the U

dj moonbat

Do you think the president of Alabama, FSU, Texas, Georgia to name a few knows where the literally billions worth of booster donations come from?

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 03:03 PM


Do you think in that photo at the bowling alley Donna knew that check came from the short guy a few feet to her right?

The Dude

Miami's checkdowns were really predictable this season. I saw defenses bait Miami's O several times with their looks on 3rd down.

Go Canes

Posted by: SinisterCane | December 14, 2014 at 02:35 PM

Do you think the president of Alabama, FSU, Texas, Georgia to name a few knows where the literally billions worth of booster donations come from?

The Dude

^^^ just like our draw run with numbers to left or right.

The Dude

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 14, 2014 at 12:49 PM

I'd bet I could count on one hand the number of times Coley called a bubble screen this year as just about everyone I saw was a check down. I can't remember the look right now but I think it was 2 WR with 1 CB up and a Safety on top = Brad's option to screen to the Slot WR, maybe it was Flank WR, I can't remember. What I can say is in Miami's O the bubble screen is a check down 90% of the time.

SinisterCane

The Cloud is Donna's fault, she green lighted Nevins's pass stage pass to the U, gave him a building in his honor, took his donations money and then pointed her grubby finger at the players about following the rules. Thanks for cleaning up the NCAA mess that you helped create

Great Academic Prez horrible Football Prez

SOUP

OK, I need somebody to do some research:

1. I need to actually know our scoring difference on offense between the first and second halfs this year.

2. How much we scored vs our opponents average ponits allowed.

3. How much we scored against all the teams on our schedule vs our common oppnents scored against them.

SOUP

But they've been using the cloud to justify poor performance, and I'm sorry -- the recruiting was never, ever poor enough to justify the on-the-field results we've seen the last four years.

Posted by: dj moonbat | December 14, 2014 at 10:34 AM

There IT is right there.

CaneRock

Sad:

AUBURN, Ala. (AP) — Auburn football player Jakell Lenard Mitchell was fatally shot early Sunday at an off-campus apartment complex where two former football players and another person were killed in a shooting in 2012, police and reports said.

Go Canes

Posted by: CaneRock | December 14, 2014 at 12:52 PM

And there it is.

mi@mic@ne

our sack , interception and tackles for loss totals were a joke. Our red zone d was non existent..especially when we needed stops in the 4th q...if i was the reporter and they quoted the number 15 d.. id tell them to get out of here ..are you serious?

1mg of Epi


Point blank, this SOF@$$! PSU defense won't work at UM...how anybody can support anything from that POS institution is beyond me.

Posted by: CaneRock | December 14, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Agree. The only way anyone would think its acceptable is if ya look at one stat.. That stat though is meaningless

miamicane

If you watch the Shockey touchdown he actually was doubled but Dorsey throws the ball as he makes his cut toward post. He throws it in that window..we were smart and coached well.

CaneRock

Point blank, this SOF@$$! PSU defense won't work at UM...how anybody can support anything from that POS institution is beyond me.

1mg of Epi

Totally agree. But you aren't going to beat anyone scoring what we did in the second half of every big game this year.

IMO the D was solid enough for us to win 10 games this year. The lack of second half, and in some games the first half too, production was what did us in.I think that will improve dramatically next year with a seasoned Kaaya. If the d can improve off this year we will have a good team.

If not, Golden will lose his job and we start over, albeit in much better shape than the last time.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 12:25 PM

O coaching this year wasn't great either.. What happened to the bubble screen when it actually would've been effective? What's with that check-with-me BS that slows the game down, playing into the oppositions game plan!

The truth is coaching from top to bottom is poor. O, D and ST. The point differential in 2nd halves was as much a D problem as an O problem.

The hallmark of poorly coaches teams is penalties and TOs on first plays of halts and drives. We are poorly coached.

I just don't see any evidence to suggest next year will be better than the last 4. As fat as defense goes, they will have to change philosophically or nothing else will matter.

Go Canes

Posted by: BigWindyCane1 | December 14, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Hottest game EVER!!

BigWindyCane1

I was at that wide-right 3/ FSU game when Shockey caught that touchdown. It was hot as heck in the orange bowl and I remember not knowing if the kick was good or not until I saw the signals from the referees then the cheers of the crowd. I remember looking at our team and thinking that these Canes looked comparable to an NFL team. I loved how they played the game. Those were the days!

miamicane

We are good when we coach beating the count...penetrating the gap to neutralize the o and free up our lbs..playing tight man on the receivers ...pinching the corners to force the play inside...blitzing the lbs and d backs on running plays...because we have the athleticism and speed to play pressure d. We can go to another level on d if we have the right philosophy..just look at than VT game when we played more man and brought pressure on the blitzes...and yet that was a shell of what we would be like if we played the 4 down and developed our guys like our top ten defenses back in the day.

Go Canes

Posted by: dj moonbat | December 14, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Totally agree. But you aren't going to beat anyone scoring what we did in the second half of every big game this year.

IMO the D was solid enough for us to win 10 games this year. The lack of second half, and in some games the first half too, production was what did us in.

I think that will improve dramatically next year with a seasoned Kaaya. If the d can improve off this year we will have a good team.

If not, Golden will lose his job and we start over, albeit in much better shape than the last time.

360Cane

If you do that Go Canes, you need to factor in...

Injuries
The weather
If the coach had a migraine that day or not.
Did the players party a little too much the night before
How tall the grass was on the fields that day

Ah, you get the point. You can't compare the way one team played against another team which makes that team and this team...blah.

Any given Saturday my friend. That's why they play the game and we suck. []_[]

AeroCane

I go with VACane! Golden is soft, he doesn't teach fundamental nor aggressive football! He will NEVER be a winner at da U! Argue all you want - this is fact! Sure we will beat Utah deaf and blind by 30 and Go Canes will say 'told you so - golden is great! He just needed time'. Then we will lose to South Dakota Northern West, and Go Canes will say 'shoot it was a night game in hostile territory and they are not as bad as their record indicates' - this will go on for as long as softie Al is our coach! Go Canes knows this, soup knows this, even softie Al knows this! Let's move on already.

dj moonbat

And yet, as I said, we still gave up fewer yards and points than two Top 10 teams just did.

Thats a good thing right?

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM


Not as good as, say, winning.

1mg of Epi

In a vacuum sure. But other than that no... Not really. It's meaningless. GT ran the same FBD against us over and over and over and then over again. The gameplan was to allow the yards and force a turnover. That's what this D is designed to do.

KYcane

On ESPN today:

The U part 1 from 3-5
The U part 2 from 5-7

More free press for our recruiting

Go Canes

And yet, as I said, we still gave up fewer yards and points than two Top 10 teams just did.

Thats a good thing right?

1mg of Epi

Is there scheme then predicated on contact six yards past the line of scrimmage?

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Are you defending Al's defense by referring to what some other team did? If you can put together a real argument I'd love to get into it w you.

In the meantime you can read this:
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2014/10/trying-to-decipher-coach-al-goldens-explanation-of-the-canes-defensive-struggles-adjustments.html

Yes Al makes it clear he plays 6 yards off the ball.

Go Canes

1mg of Epi | December 14, 2014 at 11:23 AM

GT just put more points and yards to two Top 10 teams, one of which is in the four team playoff, on consecutive weekends.

Is there scheme then predicated on contact six yards past the line of scrimmage?

miamicane

I was comparing our guys with the 2002 team. We look bloated with extra weight in comparison to them.
These players have been exposed to some of the best coaching from pee wee league to high school with a style that emphasizes speed. This is part of being a Cane. Its a Cane thing plain and simple. Al is trying to teach them a scheme that is not in the Cane personality.
This year our high school teams totally dominated in the playoffs. Our guys already know how to be successful on O and D. They just need to adjust to the College level of speed. We dont need to be taught the Penn State style of zone. We beat that ass in high school and back in the day with our over whelming speed.
In the OSU game our receivers were being held. We had a big speed advantage but as you see by the late flag that allowed OSU to score. Our man coverage on that play was as good as any d play we saw in 2002. But the refs were obviously bias and wanted OSU to win the championship because they were tired of us beating up on the so called college elite programs.

1mg of Epi

1mg of Epi | December 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM
This statement is factually and statistically incorrect.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Actually it is correct. Not only should your eyeballs tell you so, but Al himself has told you so. Go re-read Mannys article after the GT game.

dj moonbat

The cloud kept us from winning national championships but not the freaking ACC Coastal.

ACC - COASTAL CONF W-L OVR W-L
Georgia Tech 6-2 10-3
Duke 5-3 9-3
North Carolina 4-4 6-6
Pittsburgh 4-4 6-6
Miami (FL) 3-5 6-6
Virginia Tech 3-5 6-6
Virginia 3-5 5-7

C'MON MAN! []_[]

Posted by: 360Cane | December 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM


Yeah, look at those teams. During the four years of Goldenball, maybe Virginia Tech has had some roughly equivalent squads in terms of athletic talent. Yet Miami hasn't won the Coastal except for the pathetic 3-way tie in '12, with a 5-3 conference record.

CaneRock


So don't F__k with the helmet - we aren't friggin Oregon!!!

Posted by: KYcane | December 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM

And don't phuck with the orange,green,and/or white. Got us lookin' like PSU against Pitt...FOH!

KYcane

It is the most unique and special brand of our lifetime, in an my sport at any level.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 12:22 AM

AMEN

Posted by: SOUP | December 14, 2014 at 09:10 AM

So don't F__k with the helmet - we aren't friggin Oregon!!!

Go Canes

1mg of Epi | December 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM

This statement is factually and statistically incorrect.

CaneRock


All the 5* talent in the world doesn't matter when scheme dictates initial contact occurring 4 yards upfield.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Yep.

1mg of Epi

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 10:37 AM

You're wrong. They've consistently lost to teams with much less talent. All the 5* talent in the world doesn't matter when scheme dictates initial contact occurring 4 yards upfield.

dj moonbat

This year agreed.

Last four years? Come on man.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 10:37 AM


Maybe -- maybe! -- last season's 9-4 could be seen as a season result that's in keeping with the actual talent level on UM's football team. But last year's schedule was just stupid easy.

Other than that, Miami has consistently underperformed relative to what I would expect to see from the recruiting rankings.

360Cane

The cloud kept us from winning national championships but not the freaking ACC Coastal.

ACC - COASTAL CONF W-L OVR W-L
Georgia Tech 6-2 10-3
Duke 5-3 9-3
North Carolina 4-4 6-6
Pittsburgh 4-4 6-6
Miami (FL) 3-5 6-6
Virginia Tech 3-5 6-6
Virginia 3-5 5-7

C'MON MAN! []_[]

Go Canes

Posted by: dj moonbat | December 14, 2014 at 10:34 AM

This year agreed.

Last four years? Come on man.

dj moonbat

Wasn't a "defend Al, the coach" post. Was a "defend the staff as recruiters" post.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | December 14, 2014 at 10:27 AM


With the exception of the weird failure to sign DTs, I've had nothing bad to say about the staff as recruiters. The rankings have been reasonable, because yes, the "cloud" made recruiting hard.

But they've been using the cloud to justify poor performance, and I'm sorry -- the recruiting was never, ever poor enough to justify the on-the-field results we've seen the last four years.

BEERicane

Butch got his time. Give Al his! We don't have a choice for another 5 years. Might as well accept it.

Ohio_Cane


Posted by: Ohio_Cane | December 14, 2014 at 10:12 AM


So after a few days to cool off, you're back on Al's side?

Posted by: dj moonbat | December 14, 2014 at 10:18 AM
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Wasn't a "defend Al, the coach" post. Was a "defend the staff as recruiters" post.

SOUP

It's ok to acknowledge it and still feel change is necessary.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Oh stop it! Stop making so much sense already.

Accepting the FACT that "The Cloud" had anything to do with the team's struggles over the last four years just gives people one less reason to hate Al Golden. And we ALL know how much fun hating can be now don't we? Why it is practically a sport of its own, isn't it?

Go Canes

Posted by: dj moonbat | December 14, 2014 at 10:18 AM

I don't understand why you have to be "On Al's side" for pointing out how much the Shapiro fiasco further decimated a program that was already in very bad shape.

It's ok to acknowledge it and still feel change is necessary.

dj moonbat

Hear all those former players talk about UF and FSU negative recruiting during the cloud and how it affected kids? They must just be towing the Golden line, eh?

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | December 14, 2014 at 10:12 AM


So after a few days to cool off, you're back on Al's side?

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