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December 12, 2014

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dj moonbat

Wasn't a "defend Al, the coach" post. Was a "defend the staff as recruiters" post.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | December 14, 2014 at 10:27 AM


With the exception of the weird failure to sign DTs, I've had nothing bad to say about the staff as recruiters. The rankings have been reasonable, because yes, the "cloud" made recruiting hard.

But they've been using the cloud to justify poor performance, and I'm sorry -- the recruiting was never, ever poor enough to justify the on-the-field results we've seen the last four years.

Go Canes

Posted by: dj moonbat | December 14, 2014 at 10:34 AM

This year agreed.

Last four years? Come on man.

360Cane

The cloud kept us from winning national championships but not the freaking ACC Coastal.

ACC - COASTAL CONF W-L OVR W-L
Georgia Tech 6-2 10-3
Duke 5-3 9-3
North Carolina 4-4 6-6
Pittsburgh 4-4 6-6
Miami (FL) 3-5 6-6
Virginia Tech 3-5 6-6
Virginia 3-5 5-7

C'MON MAN! []_[]

dj moonbat

This year agreed.

Last four years? Come on man.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 10:37 AM


Maybe -- maybe! -- last season's 9-4 could be seen as a season result that's in keeping with the actual talent level on UM's football team. But last year's schedule was just stupid easy.

Other than that, Miami has consistently underperformed relative to what I would expect to see from the recruiting rankings.

1mg of Epi

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 10:37 AM

You're wrong. They've consistently lost to teams with much less talent. All the 5* talent in the world doesn't matter when scheme dictates initial contact occurring 4 yards upfield.

CaneRock


All the 5* talent in the world doesn't matter when scheme dictates initial contact occurring 4 yards upfield.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Yep.

Go Canes

1mg of Epi | December 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM

This statement is factually and statistically incorrect.

KYcane

It is the most unique and special brand of our lifetime, in an my sport at any level.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 12:22 AM

AMEN

Posted by: SOUP | December 14, 2014 at 09:10 AM

So don't F__k with the helmet - we aren't friggin Oregon!!!

CaneRock


So don't F__k with the helmet - we aren't friggin Oregon!!!

Posted by: KYcane | December 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM

And don't phuck with the orange,green,and/or white. Got us lookin' like PSU against Pitt...FOH!

dj moonbat

The cloud kept us from winning national championships but not the freaking ACC Coastal.

ACC - COASTAL CONF W-L OVR W-L
Georgia Tech 6-2 10-3
Duke 5-3 9-3
North Carolina 4-4 6-6
Pittsburgh 4-4 6-6
Miami (FL) 3-5 6-6
Virginia Tech 3-5 6-6
Virginia 3-5 5-7

C'MON MAN! []_[]

Posted by: 360Cane | December 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM


Yeah, look at those teams. During the four years of Goldenball, maybe Virginia Tech has had some roughly equivalent squads in terms of athletic talent. Yet Miami hasn't won the Coastal except for the pathetic 3-way tie in '12, with a 5-3 conference record.

1mg of Epi

1mg of Epi | December 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM
This statement is factually and statistically incorrect.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Actually it is correct. Not only should your eyeballs tell you so, but Al himself has told you so. Go re-read Mannys article after the GT game.

miamicane

I was comparing our guys with the 2002 team. We look bloated with extra weight in comparison to them.
These players have been exposed to some of the best coaching from pee wee league to high school with a style that emphasizes speed. This is part of being a Cane. Its a Cane thing plain and simple. Al is trying to teach them a scheme that is not in the Cane personality.
This year our high school teams totally dominated in the playoffs. Our guys already know how to be successful on O and D. They just need to adjust to the College level of speed. We dont need to be taught the Penn State style of zone. We beat that ass in high school and back in the day with our over whelming speed.
In the OSU game our receivers were being held. We had a big speed advantage but as you see by the late flag that allowed OSU to score. Our man coverage on that play was as good as any d play we saw in 2002. But the refs were obviously bias and wanted OSU to win the championship because they were tired of us beating up on the so called college elite programs.

Go Canes

1mg of Epi | December 14, 2014 at 11:23 AM

GT just put more points and yards to two Top 10 teams, one of which is in the four team playoff, on consecutive weekends.

Is there scheme then predicated on contact six yards past the line of scrimmage?

1mg of Epi

Is there scheme then predicated on contact six yards past the line of scrimmage?

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Are you defending Al's defense by referring to what some other team did? If you can put together a real argument I'd love to get into it w you.

In the meantime you can read this:
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2014/10/trying-to-decipher-coach-al-goldens-explanation-of-the-canes-defensive-struggles-adjustments.html

Yes Al makes it clear he plays 6 yards off the ball.

Go Canes

And yet, as I said, we still gave up fewer yards and points than two Top 10 teams just did.

Thats a good thing right?

KYcane

On ESPN today:

The U part 1 from 3-5
The U part 2 from 5-7

More free press for our recruiting

1mg of Epi

In a vacuum sure. But other than that no... Not really. It's meaningless. GT ran the same FBD against us over and over and over and then over again. The gameplan was to allow the yards and force a turnover. That's what this D is designed to do.

dj moonbat

And yet, as I said, we still gave up fewer yards and points than two Top 10 teams just did.

Thats a good thing right?

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM


Not as good as, say, winning.

AeroCane

I go with VACane! Golden is soft, he doesn't teach fundamental nor aggressive football! He will NEVER be a winner at da U! Argue all you want - this is fact! Sure we will beat Utah deaf and blind by 30 and Go Canes will say 'told you so - golden is great! He just needed time'. Then we will lose to South Dakota Northern West, and Go Canes will say 'shoot it was a night game in hostile territory and they are not as bad as their record indicates' - this will go on for as long as softie Al is our coach! Go Canes knows this, soup knows this, even softie Al knows this! Let's move on already.

360Cane

If you do that Go Canes, you need to factor in...

Injuries
The weather
If the coach had a migraine that day or not.
Did the players party a little too much the night before
How tall the grass was on the fields that day

Ah, you get the point. You can't compare the way one team played against another team which makes that team and this team...blah.

Any given Saturday my friend. That's why they play the game and we suck. []_[]

Go Canes

Posted by: dj moonbat | December 14, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Totally agree. But you aren't going to beat anyone scoring what we did in the second half of every big game this year.

IMO the D was solid enough for us to win 10 games this year. The lack of second half, and in some games the first half too, production was what did us in.

I think that will improve dramatically next year with a seasoned Kaaya. If the d can improve off this year we will have a good team.

If not, Golden will lose his job and we start over, albeit in much better shape than the last time.

miamicane

We are good when we coach beating the count...penetrating the gap to neutralize the o and free up our lbs..playing tight man on the receivers ...pinching the corners to force the play inside...blitzing the lbs and d backs on running plays...because we have the athleticism and speed to play pressure d. We can go to another level on d if we have the right philosophy..just look at than VT game when we played more man and brought pressure on the blitzes...and yet that was a shell of what we would be like if we played the 4 down and developed our guys like our top ten defenses back in the day.

BigWindyCane1

I was at that wide-right 3/ FSU game when Shockey caught that touchdown. It was hot as heck in the orange bowl and I remember not knowing if the kick was good or not until I saw the signals from the referees then the cheers of the crowd. I remember looking at our team and thinking that these Canes looked comparable to an NFL team. I loved how they played the game. Those were the days!

Go Canes

Posted by: BigWindyCane1 | December 14, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Hottest game EVER!!

1mg of Epi

Totally agree. But you aren't going to beat anyone scoring what we did in the second half of every big game this year.

IMO the D was solid enough for us to win 10 games this year. The lack of second half, and in some games the first half too, production was what did us in.I think that will improve dramatically next year with a seasoned Kaaya. If the d can improve off this year we will have a good team.

If not, Golden will lose his job and we start over, albeit in much better shape than the last time.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 12:25 PM

O coaching this year wasn't great either.. What happened to the bubble screen when it actually would've been effective? What's with that check-with-me BS that slows the game down, playing into the oppositions game plan!

The truth is coaching from top to bottom is poor. O, D and ST. The point differential in 2nd halves was as much a D problem as an O problem.

The hallmark of poorly coaches teams is penalties and TOs on first plays of halts and drives. We are poorly coached.

I just don't see any evidence to suggest next year will be better than the last 4. As fat as defense goes, they will have to change philosophically or nothing else will matter.

CaneRock

Point blank, this SOF@$$! PSU defense won't work at UM...how anybody can support anything from that POS institution is beyond me.

miamicane

If you watch the Shockey touchdown he actually was doubled but Dorsey throws the ball as he makes his cut toward post. He throws it in that window..we were smart and coached well.

1mg of Epi


Point blank, this SOF@$$! PSU defense won't work at UM...how anybody can support anything from that POS institution is beyond me.

Posted by: CaneRock | December 14, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Agree. The only way anyone would think its acceptable is if ya look at one stat.. That stat though is meaningless

mi@mic@ne

our sack , interception and tackles for loss totals were a joke. Our red zone d was non existent..especially when we needed stops in the 4th q...if i was the reporter and they quoted the number 15 d.. id tell them to get out of here ..are you serious?

Go Canes

Posted by: CaneRock | December 14, 2014 at 12:52 PM

And there it is.

CaneRock

Sad:

AUBURN, Ala. (AP) — Auburn football player Jakell Lenard Mitchell was fatally shot early Sunday at an off-campus apartment complex where two former football players and another person were killed in a shooting in 2012, police and reports said.

SOUP

But they've been using the cloud to justify poor performance, and I'm sorry -- the recruiting was never, ever poor enough to justify the on-the-field results we've seen the last four years.

Posted by: dj moonbat | December 14, 2014 at 10:34 AM

There IT is right there.

SOUP

OK, I need somebody to do some research:

1. I need to actually know our scoring difference on offense between the first and second halfs this year.

2. How much we scored vs our opponents average ponits allowed.

3. How much we scored against all the teams on our schedule vs our common oppnents scored against them.

SinisterCane

The Cloud is Donna's fault, she green lighted Nevins's pass stage pass to the U, gave him a building in his honor, took his donations money and then pointed her grubby finger at the players about following the rules. Thanks for cleaning up the NCAA mess that you helped create

Great Academic Prez horrible Football Prez

The Dude

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | December 14, 2014 at 12:49 PM

I'd bet I could count on one hand the number of times Coley called a bubble screen this year as just about everyone I saw was a check down. I can't remember the look right now but I think it was 2 WR with 1 CB up and a Safety on top = Brad's option to screen to the Slot WR, maybe it was Flank WR, I can't remember. What I can say is in Miami's O the bubble screen is a check down 90% of the time.

The Dude

^^^ just like our draw run with numbers to left or right.

Go Canes

Posted by: SinisterCane | December 14, 2014 at 02:35 PM

Do you think the president of Alabama, FSU, Texas, Georgia to name a few knows where the literally billions worth of booster donations come from?

The Dude

Miami's checkdowns were really predictable this season. I saw defenses bait Miami's O several times with their looks on 3rd down.

dj moonbat

Do you think the president of Alabama, FSU, Texas, Georgia to name a few knows where the literally billions worth of booster donations come from?

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 03:03 PM


Do you think in that photo at the bowling alley Donna knew that check came from the short guy a few feet to her right?

SinisterCane

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 03:03 PM

Playing naïve to the facts is not good enough. It they didn't vet Nevins background enough that's on them. She has to take the good with bad when your the Prez and what does Alabama, FSU, Texas and Georgia with the U

Go Canes

Lol. And?


That happens every single day in big time athletics. The difference is the president of a big time school wouldn't have even wasted their time on $50k.

dj moonbat

Everyone will probably like this, but Beericane especially:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/beer-mile-chug-run-repeat/

SinisterCane

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 03:17 PM

I forgot it's all good since other are doing it also. Do other presidents cause tsunamis' within they're own athletic department then hold the players accountable? In the future you might not want to use programs that are committed to winning to compare to Donna

Go Canes

Posted by: SinisterCane | December 14, 2014 at 03:35 PM

This isn't a conversation worth having. Believe what you want.

dj moonbat

That happens every single day in big time athletics. The difference is the president of a big time school wouldn't have even wasted their time on $50k.
Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 03:17 PM


So you start with "the president doesn't know where the money comes from," and when shown that in this case the president DOES know, you shift to "yeah, but the check wasn't very big..."

Quality argumentation there.

SinisterCane

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 03:48 PM

You started it, enjoy the rest of your Sunday playa

Go Canes

Posted by: dj moonbat | December 14, 2014 at 03:50 PM

It was shown?

Where?

Happy Sunday everyone.

nemo2002

Slow post day.

Any Canes recruiting news?

CaneRock

The difference is the president of a big time school wouldn't have even wasted their time on $50k.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 14, 2014 at 03:17 PM

Is that right? I'd like to know who this big timer is that thinks $50K is chump change.

The Dude

Love the commercial where Kate Upton is riding a horse.

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