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May 10, 2015

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Lurker

Posted by: UMike | May 12, 2015 at 06:26 AM

I'm not "pro-Golden", I'm pro UM.

I don't make post after post about Golden. Positive or negative.

When every little bit of info or trivia spit out by a columnist is generally always turned into a huge negative and yet another reason to start bashing, to me, that's beating a dead horse.

In my opinion, what distinguished this site from all the others, in the past, was that most posters love the U. ALL THE U. Top to bottom. All sports. It's sad to see it slowly turning into every other site or comment section out there, where its bashing 24/7. It's not there yet, but some people seem determined to take it there.

UMike

Its not even CLOSE to bashing 24/7...not even close. You have your opinion of beating a dead horse, and I have mine.

Not one single poster here is "determined" to make this blog a bash only site like others...but others are entitled to their opinions and the current staff has earned the negative opinions they may give.

UMike

Anyone in the the UNC game?

Go Canes

Interesting comparison:

@ChaddScott: State of Georgia produced 30 2015 NFL Draft picks. Only 3 went to UGA. Is that a problem? Story http://t.co/l7jiImcZzM @kingcfb @ba680

SinisterCane

Until Blake and Golden gives us something different to discuss the Dead horse will continue to get beat to DEATH

UMike

I wonder if BJ will support Golden differently without DS. I know many people have said an outgoing President doesnt want to fire a coach and leave it for the next guy...maybe that is why BJ was su supportive, even after such a bad season.

herbieibis

UMike,
It's in my home state, so unless something unforeseen occurs, the Herb will be there.

UMike

Cool...at least I know 1 other Spacer will be there.

Lurker

SinisterCane
Until Blake and Golden gives us something different to discuss the Dead horse will continue to get beat to DEATH

Posted by: SinisterCane | May 12, 2015 at 10:31 AM

Kudos for your honesty.

And there, UMike, is your answer.

SinisterCane

Assuming Blake's testicular fortitude is reinstated on June 1 he should now have the juice to fire the worst coaching staff in the history of UM if things don't improve

Sarasota 'cane

http://newstome.blog.ajc.com/2015/05/11/falcons-paid-1-million-to-honor-military-hometown-heroes/

Did you all see this? The ONLY team who did not take money from the Armed Forces to "Honor" military vets during the halftime "Hometown Hero's" program was the New York Giants!

The rest of the NFL teams are charging the military a marketing fee to honor our veterans! The Falcon's have collected over 1 million themselves!! Disgraceful!

Corporate welfare and campaign contributions are the single greatest threat to our liberty today!! We need to stop tripping over dollar bills to pick up nickles from poor people!!

thirstybuzzardcane


It's coastal or he's gone!

Posted by: Go Canes | May 11, 2015 at 10:25 PM


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Now your talking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like how you think.

Go Canes

Just curious, why exactly would Golden get fired on June 1st?

We're talking two weeks from now June 1st?

Sinistercane

June 1st is when Donna leaves

Sinistercane

^^^^

Donna put the breaks on Golden's firing and now with her out of the picture of Golden fails he has no Donna to protect him

Lurker

Donna's technical "last day" is completely irrelevant. She's been gone for months, in the sense that every lame duck leader of large organizations is gone the second they announce they're leaving.

UMike

Kudos for your honesty.

And there, UMike, is your answer.

Posted by: Lurker | May 12, 2015 at 11:23 AM

Not sure I ever asked a question...this proves nothing lol...If he wants to talk about how bad the staff is thats his opinion (one the staff has earned)..if someone wants to say "the new President will make a change if not this many wins" over and over, thats their opinion..either way its beating a dead horse lol

No way Golden gets fired June 1st... BJ I think is locked into this year...hopefully the staff makes changes and improves and doesnt put BJ in a position to make that decision after the season.

Sinistercane

I guess Donna didn't want stain her legacy with 3 fired HC under her presidency

Sinistercane

Sorry for any confusion as I never said golden will be fired on June 1. I was truly to allude to fact Blakes hands are nolonger tied

USAFCane


http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sport...rylink=addthis

### A high-ranking UM official who has spent time with new UM president Julio Frenk said he doubts Frenk will inject himself into decisions regarding the future of Al Golden if next season is disappointing and Frenk likely will defer to what athletic director Blake James believes is best.


Posted by: Sinistercane | May 11, 2015 at 11:20 PM

doesn't sound like athletics are a priority. More of the same I fear.

Go Canes

I really can't believe anyone thinks there is even a 1% chance of that happening.

These stories of protection by Shalala and James are ludicrous. Golden staying was decided months ago by the BOT and that was that. No one was waiting in the wings for Donna to leave.

And as far as the new president goes, I'd be shocked if he has spent one second thinking about Golden since the day they spoke. That dude is up to his ears with far, far more pressing and important issues than football right now.

Sarasota 'cane

That cannot be believable. As much as I wanted a change in the off-season we are waaayyyyy beyond that point heading into summer camp.

Terrance Sullivan

Wonder how many of Us Canespacers are going for the FSU game in Tally. So we can get group tickets. Also where are we gonna stay. The rooms in Tally are either booked up or rates are astronomical. Go Canes.

Lurker

Everything gocanes just said.

It's the AD that's supposed to run the sports program. The president of any university must keep his/her focus on other matters, and rightly so. The decision the president will face is whether the AD is doing a good job or not. It's up to the AD to start the process to fire the coach, or not.

UMike

Lurker, werent you the one that said over and over that Golden wouldn't be fired because the President didnt want to leave that for the next President? I thought that was you...

I think the earliest Golden would get fired is if we stumble badly to start the year, and even that seemss unlikely.

UMike

TSully....I am thinking of it...and might be in for the FSU game. Not sure yet.

UMike

I do agree the new President probably isnt to concerned with football at the moment, and rightfully so.

Go Canes

I agree that the outgoing president did not want to leave that mess for the new one.

But that in no way is an indication that the new guy was going to come in and make a change without knowing anyone involved and all honesty, anything about football either.

j.w.

I really can't believe anyone thinks there is even a 1% chance of that happening.

These stories of protection by Shalala and James are ludicrous. Golden staying was decided months ago by the BOT and that was that. No one was waiting in the wings for Donna to leave.

And as far as the new president goes, I'd be shocked if he has spent one second thinking about Golden since the day they spoke. That dude is up to his ears with far, far more pressing and important issues than football right now.

Posted by: Go Canes | May 12, 2015 at 12:25 PM
Go, I can't agree with you on this. I doubt the Board as a whole spent more than 2 minutes considering Golden's status, they have bigger issues to deal with. But, I would be surprised if Frenck didn't have discussions about one of the hot-button issues that has affected Shalala's legacy. He would be a fool not to have considered Golden to be blunt.
What it all means is anyone's guess, but mine is 1) the Board is very much aware of what is going on with perception of the football program, 2) the Board is deferring to James, and will soon give him the proverbial kiss of death by saying they have all the confidence in the world that he will handle Athletics, and 3)that Frenk has no reason to stay loyal to James if things don't work out.
As for whether UM athletics are successful under James, I won't disagree with a lot of what you say. But we aren't doing well in the sport that matters most. Much like the State of Alabama could care less if Alabama wins national titles in gymnastics, softball, women's basketball, cross county, baseball, and/or volleyball if the football team isn't winning, UM supporters are not happy. Trying to sell the current state of UM athletics as a success is like trying to convince someone that a chocolate cake is fantastic when the chocolate in the recipe is terrible.

Terrance Sullivan

UMike sounds good my Brotha.

SinisterCane

Posted by: Go Canes | May 12, 2015 at 12:25 PM

Just cause U don't believe it doesn't mean its not true, its posted more time than I can count that Donna was going to leave to the Prez to handled Golden HC firing if he fails next season. Donna also asked fans to give Golden more time in his second yr. lol

SinisterCane


Wonder how many of Us Canespacers are going for the FSU game in Tally. So we can get group tickets. Also where are we gonna stay. The rooms in Tally are either booked up or rates are astronomical. Go Canes.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | May 12, 2015 at 12:32 PM

My wife and I are interested. What do you need from and when?

USAFCane

Everything gocanes just said.

It's the AD that's supposed to run the sports program. The president of any university must keep his/her focus on other matters, and rightly so. The decision the president will face is whether the AD is doing a good job or not. It's up to the AD to start the process to fire the coach, or not.

Posted by: Lurker | May 12, 2015 at 12:33 PM

Agreed, but the President and BOT likely determine how important athletics will be. Status quo or a commitment to winning. Other schools committed the latter. I'm not sold Miami will do the same.

VA Cane

I am ok with AlPa; not a bad guy at all, certainly not a great Div 1 coach. However, nobody is going anywhere; the regime is aware that the football fans are not happy, and we must let this play out. I am hoping for a good season; face it AlPa is not going to win the NC, much less make the playoff. Not going to happen. However, he can have a good seasonn, have a great class remain intact and we may see a brighter future.
I am not convinced he will ever get us back to glory; I am not convinced he will win a title. He is not a better coach than Beamer, though he is at a school that has won NC.

I am willing to pull for him to get us back to better days, and then see what happens.

Sarasota 'cane

If any Dolphin fans here want to go to see the Dolphins play the Titans @ Nashville in October let me know. I am hooked up with a fan club out of Northern California and this dude has a great trip planned for the game.

There will be hundreds of Dolphin fans from all across the country flying in for the game. If you've never been to Nashville this would be a great time to visit. The stadium is right across the river from one of the best strip of bars in the country!! Should be a hoot!!

Go Dolphins!!

UMike

Sota...I am 2 hours from Nashville..I might want in on that lol

Terrance Sullivan

My comments are being eaten. Sigh.

Sarasota 'cane

It's gonna be a blast!! Nashville is the shyt!!

VA Cane

The biggest oversight for the failures listed in the article imo is inconsistent o line play. Sure Flowers and Feleciano were drafted, but if you know anything about line play....I do....then you can see the issues. The guys are too fat for me, not enough muscle, not quick fast strong or athletic. They move slow when they pull or reach block, and often are confused by blitzes and stunts on passes. They did well in straight on blocking or quick openers, but not good on sweeps. Duke got some good block straight on and did a lot on his own. Our guys shuffle and shuttle their feet instead of picking them up and hustling....how often do you see them downfield? There is quite a bit of room for many improvements by all on O.

Lurker

Lurker, werent you the one that said over and over that Golden wouldn't be fired because the President didnt want to leave that for the next President? I thought that was you...

Posted by: UMike | May 12, 2015 at 12:39 PM

I did say something like that in response to people saying that "Donna should fire Golden"

It doesn't negate what I said today. Donna was more involved with athletics than the average college president. She did it by choice because she loves sports, loved the SA's, and attended all kinds of sports events. Ask Soup, ask anybody. She was there, at parties, at celebrations, at games on and on. I was running into her all the time.

In addition, although I was never in the room, I believe Donna was more involved in big decisions when it came to big hiring and firing decisions, in the sense that Blake consulted with her a little more than what one would expect, because of her love of collegiate athletics and of the University.

I do believe that firing/not firing Golden was a big picture issue, and even if they wanted to fire golden, I don't think they would have them. But they were going to give him the extra year anyway so that was that.

Nothing I said is mutually exclusive

Lurker

Also, we'll see about Frenk, but I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't as visible as for Layla.

That's not a bad thing, the AD should be the guy that spends 24/7/365 on the health of all athletics, especially football. It is going to be do or die time for Blake James in the next year or two, because I think Frenk will be more of a delegator.

He needs to leave it to the a AD and the BOT to make the big decisions, and then hold them responsible for the results of those decisions. Everyone has their areas of expertise, and big-time college sports programs are not an area of expertise for Frank. That's not a criticism, that's just a statement of fact

Lurker

Also, we'll see about Frenk, but I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't as visible as Shalala.

That's not a bad thing, the AD should be the guy that spends 24/7/365 on the health of all athletics, especially football. It is going to be do or die time for Blake James in the next year or two, because I think Frenk will be more of a delegator.

He needs to leave it to the a AD and the BOT to make the big decisions, and then hold them responsible for the results of those decisions. Everyone has their areas of expertise, and big-time college sports programs are not an area of expertise for Frank. That's not a criticism, that's just a statement of fact

Sarasota 'cane

I think we are all in lock-step with our expectations for Al Golden this season. No one on Canespace will support anything similar to what we experienced last season. Way too much talent not to compete for the Coastal.

SinisterCane

Coastal or Bust

SinisterCane

Under Donna's Presidency:

2 Fired Football HC's - should be 3
1 Fired Basketball HC
2 Athletic Directors quit
NCAA investigation in which she was implicit in

Good Luck with the Clinton Foundation

Terrance Sullivan

Sarasota is spot on.

Sarasota 'cane

My buddy who is a nole fan posted a garbage story about FSU "owning" UM since Jimbo got to Tally. I'm disputing that fact, but the reason Miami is still revered as one of the greatest teams of all time is that when we "owned" our rivals, they were usually ranked in the Top 5 and had their eyes on the same prizes that we did!

Every trophy that FSU or UF has in their trophy case came at a time that UM was is in some sort of turmoil.

Sarasota 'cane

"I'm not disputing that fact..."

Lurker

SinisterCane
Under Donna's Presidency:

1 Fired Basketball HC
2 Athletic Directors quit
NCAA investigation in which she was implicit in

Good Luck with the Clinton Foundation

Posted by: SinisterCane | May 12, 2015 at 03:30 PM

No credibility with that post. Basketball coach not fired.

"Implicit" in NCAA investigation??? What does that even mean? The way she handled the NCAA investigation was one of her best moments, Reasonable people believe that because of her, we came out of that mess much better than what it could have been.

Not personally attacking you, that was just way out there.

You hate Donna, that's fine, just come out say it

Go Canes

That post is just dumb.

Coker was hired before she took over.

Everyone LOVED the Randy hire.

Haith left for Missouri.

She was never implicated in the Shapiro mess.

What about the fantastic hires in Meyer and Larranega.

The baseball team is national championship caliber.

Silly

Lurker

👍

The Dude

I actually agree with GC to a point. I want to see Blake James go for the way he's patronized Miami fans, that said, he's actually done a really great job selling the program. Consider the ticket sales for all sports, and factor in how he's been able to do it even with Al Golden at the helm, no easy task. Everyone may say that Blake has all the say with Al, but I don't believe for a second that it's true. The BoT has all the say with Al and his contract. A president's opinion in the matter probably goes a LONG way also.

SinisterCane

Posted by: Lurker | May 12, 2015 at 04:07 PM

I don't HATE anybody but Zimmerman, whether or not Donna knew Nevin's shady dealings Donna received $$$ from Nevin and gave him a building in his name sake and introduced him to other who lost money in dealing Nevin. If your going to congratulate her in steering the U out of the NCAA mess she also deserve some blame for leading us into it

Posted by: Go Canes | May 12, 2015 at 04:15 PM

All the above mentioned were hired under Donna, remember she wanted Barry Alvarez as HC. You don't agree with me that's fine lol. So Perry didn't get fired under her watch? if not then I'm wrong. As far as a dumb posts your the last person throwing dumb shots and I'll leave at that

Lurker

They ALL have a say. But the structure is set up for the AD to bear the ultimate responsibility of coaches' continued employment. It depends on the internal dynamics, and how strong the AD is internally, but it's it's his ass at the end of the day

Lurker

whether or not Donna knew Nevin's shady dealings Donna received $$$ from Nevin and gave him a building in his name sake and introduced him to other who lost money in dealing Nevin. If your going to congratulate her in steering the U out of the NCAA mess she also deserve some blame for leading us into it

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Your "facts" are totally convoluted. A little research might help before you post stuff like this

The Dude

As far as him patronizing Miami fans goes, while I found in irritating, it was probably better for the program on the whole, I mean what was he supposed to do? Spout of on sports shows about how he wishes the HC was gone but the BoT wanted to give him one more year? I'm sure that would really help. Given, this is the most toxic situation in CF, and next year will only make it worse, but if Blake was told no, there really wasn't anything else he could do but stand behind Al.

The Dude

Blake's job at Miami is to sell the program, he does a good job at that.

The Dude

By the end of October I'd say the over/under on losses should be 3. I don't think 10-2 is realistic with AG at HC. Miami will be lucky to be 5-3 on November 1st with a GT showdown looming. I don't see a path to 10 wins or the Coastal. I say floor 6 wins, ceiling 9, hopefully Al is gone early enough for the next staff to recruit.

Lurker

His job is much more than that

The Dude

Got to go through FSU, Clemson, VT, Duke and GT to win the Coastal this year. Even with a great HC, this is one of Miami's tougher ACC schedules, nevermind AG's teams playing down to the UVAs and Pitts of the world. The Nebraska game won't be easy either.

The Dude

His job is much more than that

Posted by: Lurker | May 12, 2015 at 05:02 PM

Yeah, but you get my point.

Go Canes

Agree 100% Dude.

j.w.

Agree Dude. Tough schedule, less talent coming back (I couldn't find any Canes listed by any expert as a top prospect for the next draft), and we're still hurting at depth for LB and DB. Not seeing 10 wins even if Kaaya is all that we expect, Coley bounces back, the OL plays as well as we thought last year's OL would play, and the RB committee matches Duke's production. My mind tells me 8-4 is attainable, but 7-5 is likely.

Lurker

Posted by: The Dude | May 12, 2015 at 05:04 PM

A while back, I looked at our schedule, and the other ACC contenders, and 9 wins almost assuredly gets us the Coastal, even losing to FSU.

CaneRock

"we came out of that mess much better than what it could have been."

We essentially absorbed the same penalties as a school that covered up child rape, how is that "much better than it could have been"?

Sarasota 'cane

Got to go through FSU, Clemson, VT, Duke and GT to win the Coastal this year. Even with a great HC, this is one of Miami's tougher ACC schedules, nevermind AG's teams playing down to the UVAs and Pitts of the world. The Nebraska game won't be easy either.

Posted by: The Dude | May 12, 2015 at 05:04 PM

I agree, but it will not qualify as a "pass" should he fall short of winning/playing for the division title IMO.

The Dude

Lurker, TC, Sota,

It's basically time for Golden to exceed expectations. 9 wins can win the Coastal probably, maybe needing some help, but no less than that without SERIOUS help. The margin of error is razor thin for realistic expectations.

The Dude

Say Miami wins the Coastal but they backslide in at 8 wins and get destroyed by Clemson, did AG do enough?

Ohio_Cane

Say Miami wins the Coastal but they backslide in at 8 wins and get destroyed by Clemson, did AG do enough?

Posted by: The Dude | May 12, 2015 at 06:21 PM
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No.

The Dude

O_C,

Did you see my text about being in Ohio for football season?

The Dude

Let's go to the Cincy game.

The Dude

Dang tickets are over $120 a piece. The last one I went to was like 65 a piece.

The Dude

A heads up on the whole esophagus thing to the blog. It's looking like I'm gonna be good to go.

CaneRock

The reason nobody's predicting 10 wins, is because of Golden...period.

CaneRock

Mayweather-Pacquiao #s:

Total revenue worldwide: Over $500M.
INITIAL PPV tallies: 4.4M
Domestic PPV Distribution Revenue: Over $400m

But the say the sport is dyin'...LMAO!

TMT!


The Dude

The sport is dead. That was the last hurrah, and what a hurrah financially speaking.

Terrance Sullivan

9-6 Canes leading FAU. Go Canes.

86Cane

just cause you run the blog doesnt mean you're always right...unless you're my ex wife haha

Posted by: UMike | May 12, 2015 at 07:47 AM

Well your ex and I are in constant communication if that counts for anything?

LOL

Terrance Sullivan

Make that 11-6 Canes leading the Owls.

Go Canes

Interesting last player on the list:

@JamieNewberg: DL Joey Bosa, CB Vernon Hargreaves, OT Ronnie Stanley lead the Top 50 2016 NFL Draft Eligible Prospects via Scout http://t.co/t9X41lPEhU

86Cane

Say Miami wins the Coastal but they backslide in at 8 wins and get destroyed by Clemson, did AG do enough?

Posted by: The Dude | May 12, 2015 at 06:21 PM

Say Miami wins the Coastal but they upgrade to 11 wins and roars past Clemson, did AG doo too much?

86Cane

Make that 11-6 Canes leading the Owls.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | May 12, 2015 at 08:39 PM

#BarnTheOwls

The Dude

Posted by: 86Cane | May 12, 2015 at 08:45 PM

Lol. I'd fly to Miami, taxi to campus and start building an Al Golden statue made of solid ibis.

CaneRock

Not surprised Coley's on that list at all. Like I've said, NO reason Coley can't put up Amari Cooper type #s...kid's smooth.

Terrance Sullivan

14-6 Canes Beat Owls. Go Canes. Boom baby.

Lurker

"we came out of that mess much better than what it could have been."

We essentially absorbed the same penalties as a school that covered up child rape, how is that "much better than it could have been"?

Posted by: CaneRock | May 12, 2015 at 05:36 PM

You didn't really just ask that, did you? Were you keeping with the investigation back then?

Emmett and the NCAA wanted to turn us over and ... IN THE WORST WAY!
Their screw ups and Donna's tactical counterattack kept us out of jail. Please don't rewrite history to suit an agenda or preconceived bias, if that's what you're doing. She was Patton in that war. Period. End of story.

Lurker

Or Machiavelli. Take your pick. Either way she kick their ass

The Dude

^^^ USC proves the NCAA is a biased organization. I'm not sure how the NCAA exists right now.

The Dude

Patton is a bad example, not really a tactician so much as he wad great at getting men to fight.

Lurker

He got men to fight, but he was most def a great tactician, maybe not good at overall strategy, but great at battlefield tactics. A master.

I think you might have meant not a good strategic ism. Tactics and strategy are always getting mixed up in business, even by high level people.

Lurker

* not a good strategician

The Dude

You are correct, I used the wrong term, but my point stands.

CaneRock

Please...Jay Bilas did a better job of defending UM against the NCAA, than DS. By the time She sent out that infamous text, the tide of public opinion had already turned against the NCAA...She just rode the wave.

UMike

Well your ex and I are in constant communication if that counts for anything?

LOL

Posted by: 86Cane | May 12, 2015 at 08:38 PM


Well then now I just feel bad for you my friend lol

UMike

CR..be careful you might get called out on those "facts" haha

86Cane

I'd fly to Miami, taxi to campus and start building an Al Golden statue made of solid ibis.

Posted by: The Dude | May 12, 2015 at 08:54 PM

Buy your tickets in advance, it will save U $$$.

86Cane

Jay Bilas did a better job of defending UM against the NCAA, than DS. By the time She sent out that infamous text, the tide of public opinion had already turned against the NCAA...She just rode the wave.

Posted by: CaneRock | May 12, 2015 at 11:26 PM

And you and some others here do a better job of tearing down the Canes football program than ALL of the Gators and Noles fans put together. But of course that is something that I am sure U are very proud of.

86Cane

And UMike..."beating a dead horse" is completely opposite of trying to feed and nurture a sickly horse back to health. But of course U could never see the difference between the two now could U?

laquinton

You guys are hilarious

UMike

86...you make no sense lol.. "beating a dead horse"... that phrase simply means discussing or repeating something over and over...it could be positive, negative or neutral, its STILL beating a dead horse.

How in the world are bloggers "tearing down the Canes football program"...NO... Golden and his staff and the staff before him did that...we simply see this failure and talk about it. We also talk about how good of a draft we had, how good recruiting is going etc etc..but of course you cant ever manage to notice that can you?

Geez I thought SOUP was bad lol...I use to ask for 86...am I gonna have to start asking for SOUP back? lol

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