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July 13, 2015

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SinisterCane

1st?

thirstybuzzardcane

Pow!!!! 2nd

CaneRock

Go Justin! Now if He can stretch some more yards on those KOs, we might me alright.

Terrance Sullivan

Yes Sir Rock.

VfB_Cane

Let's hope he'll get to kick off very often and rarely needs to punt.

WWIN

Dalvin Cook you shoulda came to Da U!!!

VfB_Cane

If you guys can't see the future is bright, with or without Golden, then you're not paying attention to everything going on at the U.

Posted by: Lur-ker | July 13, 2015 at 09:54 AM

The thing is, most of us were convinced the future was bright prior to each of the last 10 seasons. So next season can go either way; nobody knows at this point.

VfB_Cane

Dalvin Cook you shoulda came to Da U!!!
Posted by: WWIN | July 13, 2015 at 12:13 PM

To make us forget about Willie Williams?

Go Canes

Vfb the difference between those years and now is that regardless of who the coach is, we won't be in cavernous Sun Life anymore. Instead we'll be in a smaller, state of the art facility.

We also aren't hopelessly behind in facilities compared to most programs anymore. For the first time ever this administration is making serious investment in all its sports programs and facilities, fixing slowly but surely their greatest failure as leaders.

And finally, whoever is coach next year will have the deepest, best conditioned and most talented roster the U has fielded in a decade.

People like to talk tailspins and spirals. But the reality is there are many, many programs that have had no NCAA issues, complete investment by its administration and excellent recruiting and still haven't won. They just can't see winning is harder now than its ever been, especially when you're one of the smallest private schools in big time football.

IMO our time is here.

Lur-ker

The truth is the truth.

Who has more money and better facilities than Texas? Answer: nobody, not even the top SEC schools.

They have the most and the best of everything INCLUDING one of the most fertile recruiting bases anywhere in the country. Plus no sanctions, no impediments, nothing. A big wad of greenbacks to hire the best and brightest.

While we have been trying to play catchup with division 2 facilities and budgets.

All that is improving drastically. Our facilities are catching up. No they won't be as opulent as Texas or Oregon, but they will be brought up to the modern age.

We're recruiting much better, have better conditioned athletes, finally have a training table and are making our athletic facilities very attractive. We still have the beautiful campus in the unequaled location.

We will be playing winning, championship football with or without Golden in the near future. I firmly believe that.

1mg of Epi

When the Miami Hurricanes go 6-7, it's a death spiral. At least it used to be until trolls started lowering expectations.

Posted by: The Dude | July 11, 2015 at 08:43 PM

And we are being picked to finish near the bottom of the coastal, with Vegas laughing at us.

Everything you've said is correct Dude. Being a fan doesn't mean you have to ignore reality.

CaneRock

"Whoever is coach next year"..."with or without Golden"...IOWs, they've given up.

Old Skool

There's not much to do but look at and take pictures of Mt. Rushmore. You can watch movies in the visitors center of how it came to be, however that doesn't mean there's nothing else to do in that part of SD. The Crazy Horse memorial is actually pretty cool to visit, especially if you're there when people can go out on the arm. Custer State Park is neat. The annual buffalo round up can be spectacular as is a visit to the Badlands. There's some decent eats in Rapid City as well as pheasant hunting and trout fishing.

Go Canes

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | July 13, 2015 at 01:20 PM


And last year preseason Oklahoma, Auburn, South Carolina, Stanford, USC, Texas A&M, UNC and Notre Dame were preseason Top 20.

Final loss numbers?

OU 5
Auburn 5
South Carolina 6
Stanford 5
USC 4
TAMU 5
UNC 7
Notre Dame 5

Are those programs in a death spiral?

Nope. Just us I'm sure.

CaneRock

8 for His last 20 =s tailspin.

SinisterCane

#Downward spiral?? lol

SinisterCane

Are those programs in a death spiral?

Nope. Just us I'm sure.


Posted by: Go Canes | July 13, 2015 at 02:12 PM

To answer your question NO, not sure of UNC but everybody on that list has enjoyed success over the past for 4 yrs, bowls win signature wins etc. while hasn't won a bowl game while at Miami

Demons

Dude , also there is Sturgis , where the girls go naked with body paint , the Hawaiian tropic girls walking around , there is devil tower, in Wyoming , and like old skool said Custer park , but back to Sturgis , my son stood on a corner across from where the Budweiser girls were pouring beer for two straight hours with the darkest sunglasses , well unless the wife is with you .

Demons

Dude , second week in August for Sturgis.

Lur-ker

It's just the same cast of characters, spewing the same constant negativity, and trying to get everybody to join the we're screwed forever club.

Be miserable, most of you guys have never even been to a game, or rarely go, so who cares.

SinisterCane

It's just the same cast of characters, spewing the same constant negativity, and trying to get everybody to join the we're screwed forever club.

Be miserable, most of you guys have never even been to a game, or rarely go, so who cares.

Posted by: Lur-ker | July 13, 2015 at 04:01 PM


Please don't confuse wanting the team to win with being miserable, this is the second time you hurled that in direction when I was responding to someone else. I've learned in life those who judge others are guilty of the same shit.

CaneRock

Calling people miserable and non-game goers, doesn't change the fact we're in a tail spin...and Al Golden's the pilot.

Lur-ker

Go to a game, guys.

I'm buying.

The Dude

Thanks Old Skool and Demons! Much appreciated.

SinisterCane

What game you paying for you miserable ****

jk Lurker

#PassiveAggressive

The Dude

I think you are confusing what I was saying. I already tried to clarify but here we go again. The University is doing A-O-K. Al Golden's career at Miami is in a death spiral. He's firmly on the hot seat. Last season, he completely lost the team, he has not shown that he has one them back, 6-7 is a fireable offense. Don't confuse my comments about the coach and think I meant them about Miami the school and what they are trying to accomplish. Now that I've typed that, go ahead and twist it up to make whatever point you need to make to defend Al.

Lur-ker

Nah, you said WE'RE in a death spiral. But if you want to amend that, that's fine, because we're not in a death spiral.

By the way neither is Al Golden. Last year is over. If this year goes poorly, the yes, HE'S in a real bad way. Real bad.

But I'm letting it play out.

Lur-ker

What game you want?

1mg of Epi

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | July 13, 2015 at 01:20 PM


And last year preseason Oklahoma, Auburn, South Carolina, Stanford, USC, Texas A&M, UNC and Notre Dame were preseason Top 20.

Final loss numbers?

OU 5
Auburn 5
South Carolina 6
Stanford 5
USC 4
TAMU 5
UNC 7
Notre Dame 5

Are those programs in a death spiral?

Nope. Just us I'm sure.
Posted by: Go Canes | July 13, 2015 at 02:12 PM

You're comparing us to a group of teams that have played for and/or won ships, bowl games conference championships etc in recent memory?
Ok.

Go Canes

No I'm comparing us to teams who failed last year.

Any comparisons before then make no sense.

CaneRock

USC didn't fail, they won 9 games under REAL sanctions, playing with less than 50 scholarship players at times.

Go Canes

Lord now the nearly three years being persecuted by that scumbag Emmert weren't "real" enough.

Go Canes

How could this affect recruiting??


NCAA president says death penalty on table for Miami
By Lenn Robbins
August 20, 2011 | 4:00am

NCAA president Mark Emmert uttered the words yesterday that anyone associated with the University of Miami and its storied football programs has been hoping they would not hear.
The so-called “death penalty” could be in play if the governing body for intercollegiate sports finds the shocking allegations of widespread illegal benefits at Miami reported earlier this week are true.
“If, and I say if, we have very unique circumstances where TV bans and death penalties are warranted, then I don’t think they are off the table and I would be OK with putting those in place,” Emmert told The Associated Press in a telephone interview yesterday.
Since Tuesday’s report by Yahoo! Sports alleging impermissible benefits to 72 football players over a nine-year span, the possibility of the NCAA enacting the death penalty for just the second time ever against a football program has become the paramount issue.
Emmert’s comments are foreboding for Miami. Several outlets have reported the NCAA had informed Miami officials that it will consider invoking its “willful violators” clause, which would pave the way for the death penalty to be invoked.
Instead of considering violations from 2007-2011, the NCAA can go back to 2002, when former booster Nevin Shapiro claims he began providing Hurricanes players with benefits.
“I will say that the university is being extremely cooperative and that is extremely helpful,” Emmert said. “But if, and I underline the word if, the allegations are true, that’s extremely disappointing.”
Handing down the death penalty would be easier than implementing it. Unlike the death penalty case involving SMU in 1987, when there were not substantial TV contracts in place, eliminating football at Miami, one of the nation’s marquee programs, could have far-reaching legal impact.
ESPN and the ACC, of which Miami is a member, signed a 12-year, $1.86 billion deal last summer. Sources at two leagues and several in television told The Post they would not be surprised if ESPN sought to have contract reworked should Miami be banned.
“We are not going to speculate on a hypothetical situation,” ESPN told The Post in a statement.
Emmert, in a recent USA Today interview, acknowledged there are a myriad of issues to consider in 2011 that did not exist in 1987.
“You have to recognize that, today, inflicting that penalty on any one school has a lot of collateral damage to other members of the conference, around media contract rights and a variety of things,” he said. “So you wouldn’t enter into it casually.”

CaneRock

What does Emmert have to do with what happened at the end of 2014?...or all of last year?

SHEESH!, was it a cloud, or an earthquake...

The Dude

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqfvgAkCYAEPu8Y.png

Remind anyone of anybody? Lol.

Lur-ker

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/sites/default/files/article-pictures/football/t-z/usc_fans.jpg?1319679262


"S" guy remind anyone of anybody? LOL.

CaneRock

Anyways, nobody's changing anybody's mind about Golden, I'm ready for some pigskin..."I'm bout' dat action...BOSS!"

thirstybuzzardcane

And last year preseason Oklahoma, Auburn, South Carolina, Stanford, USC, Texas A&M, UNC and Notre Dame were preseason Top 20.

Final loss numbers?

OU 5
Auburn 5
South Carolina 6
Stanford 5
USC 4
TAMU 5
UNC 7
Notre Dame 5

Are those programs in a death spiral?

Nope. Just us I'm sure.
Posted by: Go Canes | July 13, 2015 at 02:12 
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Very bad comparison. Most of those teams you listed were all relevant a couple years ago....We haven't been relevant in 10 years.

thirstybuzzardcane

I think we've been in a death spiral for a long time now, we just need to dig our way out. It's do or die time for Golden. He has to win 9 games and the costal or his ass is gone. And don't let the door hit you on the way out!!!!

TonyCane

And finally, whoever is coach next year will have the deepest, best conditioned and most talented roster the U has fielded in a decade.

People like to talk tailspins and spirals. But the reality is there are many, many programs that have had no NCAA issues, complete investment by its administration and excellent recruiting and still haven't won. They just can't see winning is harder now than its ever been, especially when you're one of the smallest private schools in big time football.

IMO our time is here.

Posted by: Go Canes | July 13, 2015 at 12:59 PM

I wouldn't say it's the most talented. It's equal on paper to Al Golden's first squad from 2011, and better than the 2012, 13, or 14 teams. However it's the most balanced team that Miami has fielded in a decade, with roster strength at almost every position and at every experience level (senior through freshman). The 2005-2007 squads, while more talented on paper, had serious depth issues at quarterback and wide receiver. From 2008 to 2014, we had roster imbalance due to teams being either being too weighted towards freshmen (2008, 2012) to too much towards seniors (2011).

Alex D

What's good Legion/Canespace? He's still a good work in progress.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3997006/highlights/192866378/v2?utm_expid=74649800-50.qttEDvhsRhq8UxOskYCLgA.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

TonyCane

What does Emmert have to do with what happened at the end of 2014?...or all of last year?

SHEESH!, was it a cloud, or an earthquake...

Posted by: CaneRock | July 13, 2015 at 06:09 PM

It's a lagging effect.

When do college coaches begin their relationship with high school recruits? It starts when they are sophomores.

The 2014 class were seniors.

In 2013 they were juniors. Miami's NCAA investigation finished that November.

In 2012, when initial relationships were established, Miami was in the throes of the NCAA investigation with a possibility of a death penalty.

In 2012, a Jimbo Fischer or Nick Saban (or assistants) could point to Emmert's statement and say, "Why would you want to go there? By the time you arrive on campus, they could be shutting it down? Why go there, when at best they will be off TV for two years and banned for bowls for years? You think USC's punishment was bad? Just wait until the NCAA is through with them."

So in 2012, a HS sophomore can write off Miami easily. Going into 2013 when he's a junior, he still doesn't know Miami's fate. He finally finds out in November 2013 that Miami will face no bowl ban. Now he can consider Miami, but we're a new player against a slew of top programs that have been recruiting him for over a year and a half. Golden and co must reestablish a relationship with a top recruit and try to overcome whatever relationships have been built up by a Fischer and Saban.

Bottom line, it made things more difficult for the Miami staff in 2012, 2013, 2014, and even 2015.

2016 will be the first year that we have a recruiting class unaffected by the NCAA scandal. And that's probably why Golden has been recruiting so well with this class.

86Cane

Go to a game, guys.

I'm buying.

Posted by: Lur-ker | July 13, 2015 at 04:46 PM

I tried that already.

They will NOT go.

86Cane

I have offered FREE tickets so many times that it is crazy that more people have not accepted. Some good people have but less that 10%.

SinisterCane

What game you want?

Posted by: Lur-ker | July 13, 2015 at 05:00 PM

Mothaf@@kin' Clemson

TonyCane

USC didn't fail, they won 9 games under REAL sanctions, playing with less than 50 scholarship players at times.

Posted by: CaneRock | July 13, 2015 at 05:59 PM

Miami did something similar last season when you factor out injuries

On a separate note, good article about depth and overrecruiting to one position and the lasting effects that it has:

http://mancave.cbslocal.com/2015/02/06/contextualizing-the-2015-miami-hurricanes-recruiting-class/

Go Canes

Tony that 2011 may have been more talented but it was mired in suspensions to big star guys like Ray Ray and Vernon for extended periods, with lesser time missed by high profile guys.

They also had a ton of injury problems, due in some part to the team being so poorly conditioned when Golden took over.

IMO this is the deepest team we've had.

Yes, we lost some NFL talent at the top, but from player 1-85 (or 80 or so in our case), there are some very good players for the first time in a long, long time.

TonyCane

Tony that 2011 may have been more talented but it was mired in suspensions to big star guys like Ray Ray and Vernon for extended periods, with lesser time missed by high profile guys.

They also had a ton of injury problems, due in some part to the team being so poorly conditioned when Golden took over.

IMO this is the deepest team we've had.

Yes, we lost some NFL talent at the top, but from player 1-85 (or 80 or so in our case), there are some very good players for the first time in a long, long time.

Posted by: Go Canes | July 13, 2015 at 10:14 PM

Actually, on paper it was even. The difference is, the bulk of the talent (on paper) was with juniors and seniors. The sophomore class had been whittled away by a third by 2011, and the freshman class was put together at the last moment.

This year's squad has good talent with all four classes. There are holes to be certain, but there is not total roster imbalance as existed in 2011, 2012, and 2013.

Go Canes

Posted by: TonyCane | July 13, 2015 at 09:49 PM

Yet another very well thought out, accurate post.

Excellent job Tony.

TonyCane

When the Miami Hurricanes go 6-7, it's a death spiral. At least it used to be until trolls started lowering expectations.

Posted by: The Dude | July 11, 2015 at 08:43 PM

And we are being picked to finish near the bottom of the coastal, with Vegas laughing at us.


Posted by: 1mg of Epi | July 13, 2015 at 01:20 PM

And yet Phil Steele has us as his #1 Most Improved Team this year.

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