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August 02, 2015

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CaneRock

Please, Urban Meyer took that same OSU team and went 12-0 the next year, finished at #3 in the AP...COACHING MATTERS.

Terrance Sullivan

One more month peeps.

UMike

TSully...whats you season prediction?

Go Canes

Posted by: CaneRock | August 04, 2015 at 11:55 AM

Not more than players. The top three teams in recruiting over the last 5 years are:

Alabama
Ohio State
FSU

Coincidence they were all in the final four?

Sure.


http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2015/2/6/7987571/recruiting-rankings-ratings-2015-college-football-teams

UMike

Go..I agree it takes both. A good coach can win with less talent though. But you cant have JUST one...got to have the talent and ability to use it.

Go Canes

Really?

Do you think Jimbo is something special?

Two years ago he overwhelmed everyone with an NFL loaded rosters and a Heisman winning super talent at QB

Before that and even last year? Even with all the talent they did have?

Whatever.

They lose 4 games without Jameis.

Lur-ker

FSU fans were ready to ride Jimbo out of town before Jameis came along. The thought was that he had accumulated a lot of talent, but he would always lose one or two games a year, like to NC State, that were unexplainable. That he just couldn't get over the hump. It took the JW to get him over the top

Go Canes

Yep.

CaneRock

And it wasn't the first time Urban's done it either. He took over a Utah team that went 2-10 the year before, goes 10-2...22-2 overall...2 bowl wins (including a BCS bowl)...and most recently, He just won a NC with His 3rd string QB!, who was a 3*!

Ole' Urbie just gets it, damn I wish He was our coach...COACHING MATTERS.

raizecane

Rob owes $150 for parking.

Posted by: 86Cane | August 02, 2015 at 10:47 PM

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Sounds about right......

Go Canes

Guys like Urban and Saban are the best of their generation.

But guys like that are exceptions not the rule.

Yes coaching matters, but having overwhelming talent is 80-90% of it.

1mg of Epi

Based on some of our losses last year, I have to put coaching at more than 10%. But it all matters.

Terrance Sullivan

UMike I am going with 11-3(which includes winning ACC Coastal and Bowl Game). I think we finish between #11-#15 in the Nation Come final ranking in January 12th.

WWIN

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | August 04, 2015 at 11:40 AM

The year we beat OSU they were without their head coach and starting QB

VA Cane

Winning isnt everything; wanting to win is the only thing.

We will never achieve perfection; but in our pursuit of it we can catch excellence.

Vincent Thomas Lombardi

VA Cane

Time to put the AlPaisms away...have not worked yet. time to learn from the master; time for the excuses to be thrown out; time has come to win. This year it has to happen. No 6-7 no 7-5....AlPa nneds to win the division, make the title game and win a real bowl. got to happen. time has come so lets go!

VA Cane

Guys like Urban and Saban are the best of their generation.

But guys like that are exceptions not the rule.

Yes coaching matters, but having overwhelming talent is 80-90% of it.

To hear a lot of people on here, and you do point to talent an awful lot.... a lot seem to think that we have outstanding talent. So if the talent is so great, where are the wins?

I think the talent is average or so, and the coaching is not where it ought be....no understanding of the true mental and physical elements of the game, lack of leadership and player development, inability to get rid of dead weight on staff, hire and develop coaches who can do these things...and WIN!.....reflects on HC.

VA Cane

Urban is a football guy; he develops players, he has a plan. He recruits the hell out of kids......players coach....they want to play for him they want to win they have pride......winning is what matters to them and him. Thats coaching and its huge. I can tell you...you got to hate losing badly.

We are 92-3 6 titles 8 years.....but those 3 losses haunt me more than ever.....1 was a close game....2 cost us a chance to win 8 of 8 SBs.......that kills me....I move on ....but hell I hate it aint never gonna like it!

Urban hates losing....he may be a goober....but the man is one hell of a coach. He could and would win here....they would flock to play for him in Miama FL!

VA Cane

I aint ever gonna like it! sorry bad typing!

Terrance Sullivan

Nice try WWIN we had a new Coach some players suspended NCAA over our Arse and Ohio State was ranked and we wasn't Stop trying to piss on the argument. No leg to stand on. Like AG doesn't have a leg to stand on for being 1-3 against Virginia.

Terrance Sullivan

Total agreement VA Cane.

Terrance Sullivan

WWIN U gonna make it to any games this year Brotha? Would love to hang with You.

Go Canes

Posted by: VA Cane | August 04, 2015 at 01:28 PM

Totally agree. Talent has been top heavy but not great at all top. to bottom. Coaching is good to mediocre too bad at times.

But through the middle of year four the same could've been said about Butch. I think he improved as a coach as he went on as did the talent.

I think we had a 4 to 5 games stretch last year where things were really coming together. But after FSU crushed our souls, he lost his team which is inexcusable.

Hoping we can begin to put it all together starting this year.

VA Cane

Could not agree more GC...that pitfall killer game hurts...been there....but regardless....coaches and team leaders have to keep us focused regardless of loss. We had FSU on the ropes....we were whipping them.....never get off the gas....do what got you there and with who got you there.

Heres hoping you are right friend....and honestly Butch had a great deal more talent I think.

Lur-ker

Talent is huge of course, but depth of talent is also of great importance. You can have great talent, but if you're not also talented in the 2-3 deep, you're going to have problems eventually, especially towards the end of the season.

OSU - just remember their QB situation. Whoever heard very much of Cardale Jones a year ago? Just one example.

Could we afford an injury to our 1 or 2 at ANY position, much less QB. Ask yourself that.

We have been extremely thin for a long time, even before Golden. We need not just talent at the 22, but well beyond that. Not there yet. We need to do well next year, but we also need to not have very many injuries. Just look at the roster and tell me what you think?

SinisterCane

It time to win

VA Cane

Great point got to have the ST26 and K2 on special teams....then you know you are loaded. We need a good injury free impressive winning year; if so it keeps the door open for more talent and better recruiting down the road. Very big year got to win!!

Lur-ker

Exactly. On our best teams, most guys that went on to be superstars were doing just like you said, playing mostly spec teams year 1 and many year 2.

Not saying we can't win, Al has to win this year, but the talent DEPTH needs to keep getting better. We're still thin.

SinisterCane

Posted by: VA Cane | August 04, 2015 at 02:27 PM

If you can't win the coastal this yr with this roster then it's never going to happen under Golden.

I'm quite sure we out recruited the Coastal favorite GA Tech

Lur-ker

There's a difference between recruiting sites "rankings" and the actual amount of deep talent you have.

For example, you can add 25 guys mostly 3 stars, and be ranked close to a team with 15 guys all mostly 4-5 stars. Numbers of recruits adds to your ranking. That's the way I understand the ranking system, I've seen that posted many times here.

Dude on a Pale Horse

Al Golden isn't Urban Meyer or Art Briles. He's not going to take less and beat you or out think you. Al is more of a Saban or Pete Carroll or Butch in that he'll accumulate ten times your talent and beat you that way. Had Miami hired an established guy, we'd have more talent, but we went with the guy that didn't have as much name recognition so things are going slower. To his credit, Al basically had to rebuild and learn all of the local high schools because he didn't have ties down in Miami. He's seemed to have gotten that part fixed, but w/o wins, it won't last. A guy like Saban comes in, with all of his cred and Miami can be a powerhouse almost over night, just like Bama. A guy like Golden who is still building his cred and you have to hit a few stepping stones, like winning the Coastal a couple years in a row, then Al can put a chokehold on things. With the right coaches and scheme, I think Al could eventually have a dominant program, or with the position he's put us in, Miami could hire a guy that makes us dominant in a season.

Lur-ker

Agreed

Dude on a Pale Horse

Posted by: SinisterCane | August 04, 2015 at 02:41 PM

Last years team should have, but Al employed a weak strategy. Louisville, his gameplan was weak. GT, he couldn't stop a one dimensional team. FSU, he almost stole one, just couldn't coach his way to victory against what I think was a better team. UVA & Pitt, the death sentence of most coaches, he lost his team, they tuned him out.

Dude on a Pale Horse

I don't think Al is a stupid man, nor do I think Mark is. I think they over think defense and I really, really hope they've moved to make it more aggressive. The offense is up to Coley, he's got to have them play more efficiently. He's been learning on the job also and the kid gooves are off for him. He's proven like Al he can recruit his ass off and seems to do a good job developing players, but he has questionable play calls in certain situations.

Here's another question I have about the staff. Considering Al's style that he really wants to out talent you, especially in the trenches, I wonder if Kehoe is a good fit? Kehoe doesn't build those Alabama/USC O lines.

Go Canes

Posted by: The Dude | August 04, 2015 at 02:49 PM

Yep

NicKane

Would be nice to see an overpowering offensive line again like in 01. Kehoe built that line so atleast he's proven he can do it but I just wonder if the game has passed him by a little bit due to age. Can Kehoe recruit that position well enough at this stage in his career to put together elite talent two deep on the line. I don't know if can or not. I hope he can.

CaneRock

Talent's not gonna fix losing your team.

If Al Golden couldn't handle the lil' bit of egos ("bad apples") He had on the team last year, what makes ya'll think He can handle the egos when He gets this "stacked" team that we keep waiting on?

Sorry, the human dynamic is not somehow suspended into thin air, when the word coach is put in front of somebody's name...nope, sorry, doesn't work that way.

j.w.

Just because we know we will lose a game this season doesn't meant we have a desire to see the Canes fail...we just know its reality that it will happen.
Posted by: UMike | August 04, 2015 at 10:56 AM

Post of the week. Nobody desires to see failure, or anticipate failure with a team we all love. But haven't we all learned that realistic optimism is better than the dannyboycane expectations?

Dude, point well taken, and you forgot Nebraska. Still wondering what they saw in Nebraska's passing game to prevent the staff from trying to take the run away.

Va Cane

Very impressive blogging. I agree that depth is a key; when you get that depth.....you may not win it every year, but you will be there. Like Bama...reload...USC and OK Neb, FL ....years they just reloaded....and we did as well. Depth in skills, fundamentals.....character...winning character. We had it we lost it. Get the depth back...skills, ability, fundamentally sound.....that winning edge...that thirst to win succeed!! You guys are very sharp today!!!!!

NicKane

Couldn't agree more VA. Depth is everything in cfb. When you have elite talent two deep you will always be a contender year in and out. You won't win it every year but know one does. In the 80s we had depth, in the early 2000s we had depth. What do those eras have in common, national championships for UM of course. Now it does take the right coaching to build depth and The jury is still out on if golden can do that or not like guys like Butch, Saban, Meyer and Carroll did. But one fact is unquestionable, if Goldens the guy or Miami ever does get the right guy then Miami will be scary again and competing for NCs again every year. Here's to hoping that happens sooner rather then later.

NicKane

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015-college-football-preview-hot-seat-watch-mike-london-tim-beckman/

Al Golden front and center ^^^^^^^ on espns coaches on the hottest seat in cfb list for 2015. It's definitely a do or die year for him here in Miami. This thing really feels like it can go either way this year. I'm no fan of Al anymore so of course I hope he wins this year good enough to get another job and we keep the 16 class intact. And of course most importantly get a real coach that can lead us back to championships.

Dude on a Pale Horse

Posted by: CaneRock | August 04, 2015 at 03:21 PM

When you have a track record to run on, a team is less likely to quit.

Go Canes

I'll take him:

@NashSports: Former five-star out of Delray Beach, Fla. https://t.co/JTftn7Ma6p

Terrance Sullivan

That still doesn't excuse the quitting. Awful on everyone from Al on down to the players. No excuses.

SinisterCane

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | August 04, 2015 at 04:42 PM

Who recruited the quitters???

Terrance Sullivan

Did I or didn't I also blame Al and said him first. Lawd Have Mercy. In life When things go well everyone gets credit in a Team concept and when things go bad everyone gets the blame. At least that's how I was raised and taught maybe others were taught differently. It's funny how the Haters can say the Optimists are trying to stir the pot it's funny when I give credit and blame the haters still want to start crap. Smdh.

Go Canes

Yep.

CaneRock

As far as quitting is concerned, we've been hearing the same crap for the last 10 years. Vishnu nailed it:

"UNITY?

The message has been coming from players, one after another. We’ve seen some variation of the theme that last year, as one unnamed player put it, “there were a few guys who wanted to be great, but not everyone gave their all every play.”

This year? “Right now, it’s great. This is the most unified I’ve seen since I’ve been here. The mindset of everybody on our team is great.”

I know conventional wisdom is that everything was going along fine last year, then the heartbreaking FSU loss happened, and the team collapsed. But the team was actually 3-3 in the first six games, and 3-3 in the last six games. The dominating losses against Louisville, Nebraska and Georgia Tech all happened well before the FSU letdown. The team stunk, but trying to figure out why is a challenge. There were great individual performances, from Brad Kaaya, Duke Johnson, Clive Walford, Phillip Dorsett, Denzel Perryman, and yet the team was terrible.

I’m not even remotely willing to blame those players which gave everything for this program for the team’s overall stink. Which player(s) are we talking about? We saw Anthony Chickillo sacrifice his entire career to buy in to the system. I was there in Charlottesville when Clive Walford sprinted 80 yards to chase down a defensive back on a blocked field goal and save a touchdown. Who are these bad seeds that didn’t care?

We’ve been down this road many times. Remember when the Northwestern 2008 class came in? They were the ones that were going to bring a winning attitude, and replace the “bad seeds” that Larry Coker had brought in. Four years later, they were the bad seeds that needed replacing. Those players that replaced the Northwestern 2008 class? Some of the very same bad seeds that are now being replaced. It’s enough already.

From a player and program standpoint, it IS important that they find a scapegoat mentally. It’s fine for us, as fans, to point out the obvious. That this is Al Golden’s program, he actually planted those seeds that left the program after last year, and if they’re bad, it’s his responsibility.

But players have to function in a work environment, and the coping mechanism is to blame those that are no longer there. If you’ve ever worked in a team business environment, this is not unlike what you will see there. It’s easy to blame unsatisfactory results on people that have moved on, since the worker can’t replace his/her boss.

And perhaps there are shades of truth here. The players discuss specific changes they’ve made to have more accountability. They were there, I wasn’t. They do know more. Again, though, these are buzzwords we’ve been subjected to for more than a decade without results. But, if the players believe that, if they believe the changes will help, then that is a large part of the battle, making it worthwhile. I will not, however, just accept that it was the players since departed that caused that 6-7 season. It’s the lazy excuse we’ve continually used, and it has obviously not been the problem. It’s unfair to them, and we shouldn’t engage in that discussion."


Go Canes

Mr coral gables is the shining beacon of hope has his absurd take as usual.

That dude is a total clown.

Lur-ker

Vishnu also said this, in the same article:

"That if the season gets off to a good start, the theme of unity will be reinforced, and can snowball into a great season, much like early losses last year doomed Miami to a championship-less season. Whether Golden should be here or not is now an academic point. He is here and has been given this opportunity. I hope he runs with it."

Great advice, actually. Especially the part about accepting him being here, and being hopeful. You didn't include that. Basically he's saying, roll with it this year, be hopeful that's my take.

Now I assume you didn't include it because it was a long article, but I think it adds some balance. Even though I realize that the tone of most of the article was still critical of golden.

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