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October 26, 2015

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WWIN

No thanks to that dude in a big way.

Posted by: Go Canes | October 28, 2015 at 10:28 AM

Yeah I definitely agree!!!

#BBB
#VoteButchDavis2015

86Cane

NEW BLOG IS UP!

Go Canes

Posted by: The Dude | October 28, 2015 at 10:51 AM

They had no choice after that debacle. They have season ticket renewals and donations to think about, plus you can't be contacting agents and setting up your interview processes while the guy is still coaching.

How bad would they look if that leaked out while he was still here.

Dude on a Pale Horse

That Malzahn O is great. Auburn will be fine.

CaneRock

Malzahn?...I think they're starting to catch up to His offense. Like PJ @ GT, coaches like Malzahn hang their hats on 1 offense, it'a all they know. He might want to look into hiring an OC.

Dude on a Pale Horse

What's the logic in firing Al and paying his buyout, only to wait until the season is over to interview coaches? Seems like they could have kept Al on to save money on the buyout if they're going to wait anyways...

I really don't understand it.

Maybe the BoT memebers that finally had enough already have someone in mind?

UMike

Yea..Auburn hasnt played Toledo this year.

toledocane


Mazlahn has been in a steady downward spiral since he got to Auburn.

Three seasons ago he was a savior, but last year he lost 5 games (should have been six but K State's kicker blew two easy FGs) and this year despite an assistant buying binge they're struggling to beat Toledo in OT and will need a miracle to get even get bowl eligible.

No thanks to that dude in a big way.

Posted by: Go Canes | October 28, 2015 at 10:28 AM

Auburn didn't play Toledo.... it was Jax State they almost lost to.... Toledo beat Ark and Iowa St. this year- Matt Campbell wouldn't be the worst hire for UM, but I'm a Butch guy.

trianglecane

From the article above:

### Jimmy Johnson told me that he and UM athletic director Blake James have texted and “I let him know I’m available if he wants a sounding board” on the coaching search. A UM source said James will take J.J. up on the offer.

Johnson says candidates shouldn’t be limited to people with UM ties. “You want the best candidate,” he said. “There are some outstanding individuals who will be interested in this job. I wouldn’t want any restriction.

“The University of Miami is a very unique place – there are obviously some things Miami does not have that some other top schools do have --- but Miami has some advantages – being in such a great area for recruiting. For a football coach, if you want to win, you’ve got a great opportunity. I still think it’s a great job but it takes the right individual.”

### UM safety Dallas Crawford said James told players that Golden’s firing “had to be done. He said he will do everything he can to get us the best head coach for the University of Miami.”

A UM Board of Trustee member said besides Golden’s poor record, a change was going to happen because some mid-level donors were going to stop contributing without one. One high-level Trustee said several Trustees lobbied for a coaching change during Saturday’s game, but it was James’ call ultimately.

### Credit FootballScoop.com for noticing this from Clemson coach Dabo Swinney's news conference today. Swinney called UM's game-day set-up "bush league."

“Anything that you do nowadays, everyone has a camera around, and first of all, it’s a terrible setup down there…it’s bush league," he said. "They shouldn’t have two teams going out [on the field] from the same place.”

“You’ve got bickering and all this stuff going on and there’s a distraction before the game that I wasn’t out there to address it early, and then you’ve got all this stuff in the game, and then we all have to go back through the same [tunnel]…it’s just, it’s not smart.”

trianglecane

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2015/10/both-optimism-and-concern-about-heats-starting-five-jj-offers-to-assist-um-dolphins-nuggets.html

Go Canes

Mazlahn has been in a steady downward spiral since he got to Auburn.

Three seasons ago he was a savior, but last year he lost 5 games (should have been six but K State's kicker blew two easy FGs) and this year despite an assistant buying binge they're struggling to beat Toledo in OT and will need a miracle to get even get bowl eligible.

No thanks to that dude in a big way.

Terrance Sullivan

Lur-ker thanks #Canesfam.

Lurker

I'm repeating this not to suck up to the emperor, but because it is right on the money. Speculating is fun, and pros and cons are fun, but this is exactly correct:

----———

there are several good candidates, some of whom have been mentioned here, some that have not. But just being a good coach does not necessarily a good candidate make. As JJ said it has the be the right guy, the right fit for the program. Time will tell IF they make the right decision or not, but the rest is just speculation and wishful thinking. Breathe deep, be patient and let the chips fall where they may. Step 1 is done, step 2 may take a while.

Posted by: 86Cane | October 28, 2015 at 12:09 AM

SinisterCane

If Malik Rosier shat himself gain vs. Duke and Kaaya remains hurt then burn Sheriff's redshirt and play the game to win

Lurker

Sully should have a position in the United Nations in charge of world peace (and dancing girls)

SinisterCane

CIS:

Looking at Candidates (analytical approach, be forewarned)

I've tried to approach my thoughts on the coaching search from an analytical perspective, so I researched links to winning, records vs. the spread, record vs. top-25 teams, bowl records, performance of team year prior and post (if left job for another job), as well as ancillary items such as player development, or looking for flukes such as dominant players coming onboard. A few things came out of this study that surprised me and interested me as well.

The major impact that looking at records against the spread has really comes from looking at the margins. Most coaches are bunched up in the middle and come in around .520. You don't learn much from the coaches in the middle, but you can really see the teams that underperform and overperform quickly once you get to the 5% of each end of the tail. The second worst head coach against the spread over the past 13 seasons has been Mario Cristobal (34-39-1). While the spread is meant more to gain action on each side than it is to simply gauge strength of teams, the spread does serve as a single metric to account for location, talent, coaching, recent success etc. Cristobal was pretty terrible in this regard. A second coach that has been mentioned as a darkhorse candidate has been Rich Rodriguez, and he has also been terrible against the spread. In fact, due to his tenure at Michigan, he came in last place at 62-81-2. Two of the outliers at the top were Nick Saban at LSU, and Tom Herman as an OC and HC. Number 1 overall over this time period was Urban Meyer. It should be noted Al Golden fared very well in this metric at Temple, but was playing a much lower level of competition.

It was absolutely stunning to me how coaches fared against the top-25 in my research. Some of this is obvious: the best teams in the top-25 are highly ranked in the top-25 because they have built-in advantages and are talented teams. That said, this metric seeks to identify how coaches do against good teams. Not surprisingly, the best coaches against the top-25 are elite coaches. #1 in winning percentage is David Shaw- dude is 16-4 against the top-25 at an elite academic private university. Next is Nick Saban, who is 53-36 against the top-25. Urban is 25-12 against the top-25.

All of this to say, it is really hard to consistently win games against the top-25. There are only 11 active coaches with a winning record against the top-25. Fuente got his first win against the top-25 this year over Ole Miss, he is 1-3. Herman hasn't had a chance yet. Cristobal was 0-6. Schiano was 3-15 in his time at Rutgers.

Some of the guys you'd love to go after based on some of this information:

David Shaw- Not happening. From California, played at Stanford, has that program rolling. That said, he's your "pie in the sky" dream. He is legitimate.

Gus Malzahn- He would obviously have to be let go from Auburn, but there is noise he is wearing out his welcome there. His offense- reliant on speed and running the ball- would absolutely kill here. He would need a strong DC, but I think he'd win immediately. Another that's not really a candidate.

Kyle Whittingham- Another longshot coach, but he is a flat out stud. His teams have consistently won, he's learned under some really impressive coaches, and his results are always top-notch. Downside is he is from the West, is Mormon, and has turned down several bigger offers to stay at Utah (turning down over $3 million to go to Tennessee). The metrics like this guy a lot.

Chris Petersen- Consistent winner who is known for his ability to exploit the weaknesses of his opponents. He's a West coast lifer who isn't coming here. Another guy that the metrics really like.

You hear calls to go after Dan Mullen from time-to-time, but did you know he is 2-23 against the top-25?

Gary Pinkel is a coach who has overcome resource deficiencies, prestige questions, and geographic issues to be fairly successful. When you dive deeper though, you see a coach who relies on being able to out-talent his opponent to win games and really wins the games he should, and loses the games he should. The metrics rate him as a middle-of-the-road guy.

From the list of guys that you hear rumored to be under consideration, you have a wide range of options. Schiano has proven he can build a program back up, play strong defense, win bowl games (5-1), and play a tough, physical style. Cristobal is by far the worst option and the metrics rated him as one of the worst HC's in the country, almost solely reliant on being more talented than the opponent.

If we go outside of the "family" I'd at least entertain the idea of Gus Malzahn, but that is not an option, the guy to go after is Tom Herman. Something consistently shown in the elite coaches is the fact that they produce results immediately. There is no real stage where guys need to rebuild things. It is instant and immediate, almost without fail.

Saban took a MAC team (Toledo) from a loser to a 9 win team the very next year. He resigned to take a DC position under Belichick. When he came back to Michigan State he mixed in big wins with head scratching losses, but the bite was there.

Urban took another MAC team,Bowling Green, from a 2-9 team to 8-3 in his very first year. Then went 10-2 his first year at Utah.

Gus Malzahn took offenses to #1 in the country immediately. Then won big immediately at Arkansas State and Auburn.

Tom Herman has immediately been a star at every single stop he's been at. This isn't a guy riding the coattails of Urban Meyer, this is a guy who made Rice dynamic on the offensive side. He's a guy that everywhere he leaves sees a dropoff every single time. He's the type you pay $3.5 million to and then get a great DC to run a defense.

Justin Fuente is a bit more of a grinder type. What he does extremely well is develop QB's. When he went to TCU Andy Dalton took off. They went 12-1, 13-0, 11-2 when he was the OC. He leaves, they go 7-6 and 4-8 immediately after. He's got the road win over Ole Miss on his resume. His offense actually is a power running offense that relies on speed and space outside. His offense is honestly tailor made for the talent here in S. Florida. From a metrics standpoint, this is the guy to go get. FPI analytics likes his team and overall approach more than Herman, who doesn't run quite as overall a scheme as Fuente. He's known to be the favorite at South Carolina.

Butch is your best bet if you want to go the route of a guy known to want the job, and able to afford him.

Cristobal is your worst option and would set the program back years if we selected him.

Schiano would return us to 9 win ways, win some solid bowl games, and at least make us play defense again. A fairly meh hire.

Malzahn is the HR hire, swing for the fences type, where we could be back, or it could be an epic disaster.

Herman is the guy I'd go after, but save some money for a big-time DC. Maybe even Butch Davis at $1.5 million or so.

Fuente is the guy I'm most convinced will be solid wherever he goes, but something about things tells me he would be solid, but not dynamic.

Dino Babers would be so, so fun here. He's the Kevin Sumlin of this round of interviews. He's not a candidate, I'm sure, but I am a big fan of that guy if you go the expensive DC route.

Lots of fun options out there, and I can convince myself to be happy about almost any of them but Cristobal.

Dude on a Pale Horse

Minnesota coach Jerry Kill retires immediately.

Dude on a Pale Horse

Miami's secondary will make a lot of mistakes next year. I'm not sure there's a ton of talent behind the starters either. They might just suck period. If Grace goes too... the D might be in a lot of trouble next year.

Dude on a Pale Horse

And made me a lot of subscription money with the DJMB Fanclub... officially unofficial.

Dude on a Pale Horse

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 27, 2015 at 11:39 PM

Seriously though,

Where the f*ck is DJMB? Best damn blogger there is.

CaneRock

WWIN...Gasol went Mark Eaton on ya' boy LMAO!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ZkVuQs-J0

CaneRock

2 TE set...2 back set...when your QB is getting concussed off a 2 man rush, it don't matter...AH YI YI!

UMike

YUP, I kept waiting for them to do this in the Clemson game to try to keep Kaaya alive but they NEVER did and we know how that turned out.

Posted by: 86Cane | October 28, 2015 at 09:20 AM

Stubbornness...Golden's true downfall.

86Cane

If one thing needs to be change it's the offensive formation, run a 2 back set or a 1 back 2 TE formation. Oline is not good enough to pass/run block out of the spread

Posted by: SinisterCane | October 28, 2015 at 09:03 AM

YUP, I kept waiting for them to do this in the Clemson game to try to keep Kaaya alive but they NEVER did and we know how that turned out.

CaneRock

I think it's 70/30 Burns & Elder declare early.

1mg of Epi

In that case, don't expect a return to glory before 2017.

Posted by: VfB_Cane | October 28, 2015 at 09:07 AM

Allowing Al to return this season will prove to have been a horrible mistake. Those last 6 games cost us 2 years. Blake James should have fought tooth and nail to have Al removed after last season.

How somebody who gets paid to protect the health of this program couldn't see it I have no idea. So obvious what was going to happen.

86Cane

I think its weird Golden is gone and D'No is there after Golden laid his career on the line and kept him.

Posted by: UMike | October 28, 2015 at 07:31 AM

#Awkward

VfB_Cane

Posted by: SinisterCane | October 28, 2015 at 09:12 AM

Yep. It's not the end of the world beyond the 5 on your list. However, I'm not too keen on finding out how a secondary without Bush, Howard, Elder and Burns would do.

86Cane

That said, this is a situation the U needs to do right. I'd like to see Butch but I also want to say that I will support a reasonable choice EVEN IF it is not him if the decision is done with due diligence and not out of panic. But, don't be surprised if this road to a new coach might be as rocky as the road that led the last one to be fired.

Posted by: SJMPARMAN | October 27, 2015 at 11:54 PM

There IT is right there.

SinisterCane

Posted by: VfB_Cane | October 28, 2015 at 09:07 AM

Juniors (15):
1 Artie Burns DB
3 Stacy Coley WR
5 Standish Dobard TE
5 Jermaine Grace LB
29 Corn Elder DB

Purge the rest

VfB_Cane

Here's a look at who we will/might have to replace after the season:

Seniors (8):
2 Deon Bush DB
3 Tracy Howard DB
6 Herb Waters WR
11 Michael Wyche DL
17 Tyriq McCord LB
38 Joseph Rogers TE
56 Raphael Kirby LB
93 Calvin Heurtelou DL

Juniors (15):
1 Artie Burns DB
3 Stacy Coley WR
5 Standish Dobard TE
5 Jermaine Grace LB
6 Jamal Carter DB
7 Gus Edwards RB
13 Gray Crow QB
16 Justin Vogel P/K
29 Corn Elder DB
30 Kevin Carroll FB
40 Gage Batten LB/FB
44 Walter Tucker RB
63 Danny Isidora OL
67 Alex Gall OL
88 Jake O'Donnell TE

Redshirt Seniors (6):
11 Rashawn Scott WR
22 Collin Alford RB
25 Dallas Crawford DB
30 Quincy Casimir DB
47 Ufomba Kamalu DL
64 Hunter Wells OL

If the new coach manages to keep those with elegibilty left from bolting, we should be OK in 2016.
However, if the coaching situation is in limbo until mid-January, we'll lose most of those who have a shot at being drafted.

In that case, don't expect a return to glory before 2017.

SinisterCane

If one thing needs to be change it's the offensive formation, run a 2 back set or a 1 back 2 TE formation. Oline is not good enough to pass/run block out of the spread

1mg of Epi

available only after the season ends, do you let the 2016 class erode to get him? Or do you think that Butch is the best possible coach, and you get him now?


Posted by: TonyCane | October 27, 2015 at 09:18 PMM

A few weeks isn't going to make that much difference... They should talk to all the candidates.

That being said, Butch is the best viable option. If theyhired him tomorrow that works too.

UMike

The right hire will keep most the 2016 class and pick up some. Plenty of uncommitted talent around, even after the season.

CaneRock

If the best possible coach for Miami is available only after the season ends, do you let the 2016 class erode to get him? Or do you think that Butch is the best possible coach, and you get him now?


Posted by: TonyCane | October 27, 2015 at 09:18 PM

YUP!

Defensively...we lose our entire secondary...while we have SOME talent on the D-Line, it's not exactly gang-busters right now...our LB corp looks suspect.

Offensively...we need game changers at WR & RB...our O-Line is a sieve (2 MAN RUSH?!)...no impact at the TE position. Again, this is a rebuild.

Butch is the ONLY coach, on ANY list, that can get this thing back going.

While the Hermans' & Fuentes' of the world sound enticing, those guys come a dime a dozen.

1mg of Epi

I listen to Larry Scott's presser and I was note impressed, he came off as a Life coach and with the CANEZ being sad because Golden got the boot you might cancel the season caused they have already mailed it in

With the exception of Artie Burns who dealing with the loss of his mother, Coaches and players need to man up

Posted by: SinisterCane | October 28, 2015 at 08:32 AM

Yea I was equally unimpressed when I heard him on hurricane hotline. Keep In mind though Al sounded like he was delivered from the football gods riding piggy back on Vince Lombardi.

Let's wait to see what Happens.

Oh wait, we're Miami! FIRE SCOTT!!!!

1mg of Epi

Dammit. Too early in the morning for all this reading.

1mg of Epi

^^ he forgot somebody.
USCe

Go Canes

@ByTimReynolds: FBS schools already needing a new "permanent" coach:

Miami
USC
South Carolina
Illinois
Maryland
Minnesota
North Texas
Central Florida

SinisterCane

I listen to Larry Scott's presser and I was note impressed, he came off as a Life coach and with the CANEZ being sad because Golden got the boot you might cancel the season caused they have already mailed it in

With the exception of Artie Burns who dealing with the loss of his mother, Coaches and players need to man up

raizecane

Good Morning my fellow Canespacer's. Today is a new day.

Not sure if you got to see Larry Scott's conference yesterday so here it is. Mentions the distraction between AG being fired and Burns losing a family member.

http://www.hurricanesports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=28700

CaneRock

I like a lot of the usual suspects being thrown out Co in guys like Pagano, schiano, Cristobal and chud because they all know southflorida and know what it takes to win down here and there all very good coaches.

Posted by: NicKane | October 28, 2015 at 01:32 AM

Pagano is named in that UNC report also.

Schiano?...You know what's funny, if we hire Him, there's a good chance He keeps D'Onofrio...D'Onofrio was His LB coach at Rutgers for 3 years.

UMike

Three days from hell.

That’s what it has been like for the University of Miami football program.

Day One, Saturday: The Hurricanes are demolished 58-0 by the Clemson Tigers — the worst loss in UM history — and lose their star quarterback to a concussion.

Day Two, Sunday: Hurricanes coach Al Golden gets fired seven games into the season, then says goodbye to his players in a tearful meeting.

Day Three, Monday: Star cornerback Artie Burns’ mother, 44-year-old Dana Smith, is admitted to the hospital after a heart attack and dies early Tuesday, survived by Burns, 20, and his 15- and 12-year-old brothers.

A downright miserable way to end one week and begin another.

“It’s a sad situation,” safety Dallas Crawford said Tuesday, the first day of UM practice for Saturday’s 7 p.m. game at No. 22 Duke (6-1, 3-0 Atlantic Coast Conference) in Durham, North Carolina. “It feels like we haven’t gotten good news in a while.

“This right here will define us as a team. At the end of everything it will make us better young men.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article41637717.html#storylink=cpy

UMike

Good to be back...still not sure if its permanent lol... From that article D'No said...

“My heart goes out to Al and his family; he did everything he could and I’m proud of him,” he said. “We have a team, we have unity, we’re together and we’re going to rally.”

I think its weird Golden is gone and D'No is there after Golden laid his career on the line and kept him.

Go Canes

Welcome back UMike. Good to see you back buddy.

UMike

Larry Scott, who began his second day as interim coach of the University of Miami football team on Monday, is the right choice at a critical moment.

Players who seem vulnerable after three emotionally draining days need a gentle hand on the shoulder rather than a hard push. Scott should be able to provide the former now, the latter once they are able to take a deep breath and collect themselves to confront the remainder of the season.

While it’s easy to regard this as a lost season for UM following the 58-0 humiliation by Clemson and the firing of coach Al Golden, Scott must regard turmoil as opportunity for a turnaround. UM is 4-3 overall, 1-2 in the Atlantic Coast Conference with five games left to make a run at its goal of winning the Coastal division or at least earn a decent bowl bid and improvement over last year’s 6-7 record.

Golden’s gone, but there’s a long way to go.

The Hurricanes were battered by more bad news Monday when cornerback Artie Burns’ mother, Dana Smith, 44, died of complications from a heart attack. Smith, a former track star at Northwestern High and a force for good in her community, was like a team mother. She invited players over for meals.

“You take a mentor away, and mix in death — that’s a tough combination,” Scott said. “I challenged the coaches…to really tap into the reasons you choose to be a coach. It’s going to be about far more than the Xs and Os and getting this from a standpoint of corrected football. It’s going to be about being able to reach these young men and help them through a rough period in their lives.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/linda-robertson/article41649438.html#storylink=cpy

UMike

With two younger brothers and a father in prison on drug charges, Burns needs all the help he can get. I agree Go Canes, hope he can raise his stock and with the way corners are being drafter these days he could be a first day pick.

Go Canes

Posted by: CoCane | October 27, 2015 at 11:07 PM

Man wtf are you talking about. For someone who cares so little about my views and thoughts you sure do obsess about me non-stop.

What would the fellas in Sistrunk say?

Anyway, absolutely incredible outpouring of generosity from the Canes family for Artie Burns and an equally gritty and gutsy move by him announcing yesterday he would play Saturday.

Hoping for huge things for him down the stretch so he can further solidify his draft status and get himsel and his family a much needed payday.

Dude on a Pale Horse

Mario would make an excellent assistant. Chud and Schiano would be excellent coordinators. Butch would most likely be an excellent coach. There is zero reason why Miami shouldn't be in the ACC CG 4 out of every 5 years. And they should win it at least half the time depending on how good FSU and Clemson are. We should be in the playoffs 2 to 3 times every 5 years. Butch has the plan, the one that works. He's the only one that has clout with quality assistants.

Dude on a Pale Horse

Steph Curry is a bad man.

Daddeh

DaU

Sarasota 'cane

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1mg of Epi

No one knows the recruiting game in South Florida better than Mario " The National Recruiter of the year...Enough said!

Posted by: Montreal-Cane | October 28, 2015 at 12:33 AM

We already went down this road. Its name was Al Golden.

Mario got to a couple bowl games, playing in a conference full of girls schools.

Mario is a lazy hire.

WWIN

No one knows the recruiting game in South Florida better than Mario " The National Recruiter of the year...Enough said!

Posted by: Montreal-Cane | October 28, 2015 at 12:33 AM

Butch does!!! "Assembled THE GREATEST COLLEGE TEAM EVER" MORE than enough said!!!

#VoteButchDavis2015

NicKane

2. MOST IMPORTANTLY. Nobody wants the job more. He already got his list of assistants. DAM! Butch don't fukk off. He's starving and salivating at the mouth to be here. No need to go after a bunch of not worthies that has to be courted. Kiss my black azz with that shyt.

Those puzzies in the B.O.T. better tighten up. Bring back the boss and let him punish all of College football for their blasphemies.

Chuch

Posted by: CoCane | October 27, 2015 at 06:33 PM

I like a lot of the usual suspects being thrown out Co in guys like Pagano, schiano, Cristobal and chud because they all know southflorida and know what it takes to win down here and there all very good coaches. But like you, I like Butch the most for all the obvious reasons but also I believe butch will be the cheapest option salary wise which leaves a lot more money for assistants which no one knows more then Butch are the most important part of the program. Plus since Butch would take a relatively low salary, UM can back load it with incentives for winning the coastal, the acc, getting to the playoff, and finally winning the NC. So with those incentives he'll be extra motivated and UM don't have to pay anything unless he wins which in turn will mean more revenue for UM.

Terrance Sullivan

Thank U Montreal-Cane.

Montreal-Cane

Terrance Sullivan | October 28, 2015 at 12:55 AM

Terrance you are always the same guy "The good guy"

Enjoy your Sam Adams!

Terrance Sullivan

It feels Damn Good To Have The Full Canesspace Band Back together again. I am Drinking a Sam Adams Octoberfest and smoking a Stogie I. Happiness over this development. Go Canes! Beat Duke!

orange 'n green in the vein

Posted by: WWIN | October 28, 2015 at 12:39 AM

Because dumbass ran Randy Johnson Jr. into the line and let FSU break his ankle in 2013 trying to play to keep it close like he did every week he was allowed to steal the paycheck and that was all she wrote for any forward momentum for the program before the shitty player evaluations and signing day screw ups ravaged the roster to the sad state it's in today Willie. Dude's a viable choice for Illinois now, that's all you need to know about where the team is at in terms of what they can do on a football field as currently constructed. Somebody is going to have to get some guys who can play football at a high level to sign on the dotted line before they start to right this course back to the real target.

SJMPARMAN

raizecane I generally agree with your statement we can't win the NC every year or two. But I do have a caveat. The Big East was the ACC 1.0. I mean by that, it is a conference we could dominate. As long as there are two or three credible teams, like VT (Beamer), Syracuse Pascugliano), and W Va (Don Nealo) back then , and if we play a decent out of Division Schedule like FSU (Bowden) and ND (Faust, Holtz) or Clemson every two years, and we win those games, the big IF, we will be in the mix. If a new coach stacks the program with recruits, and a winning philosophy, and we beat VT (Beamer) NC Fedora) VA (London) Pitt (Narduzzi) and out of conference with beating FSU (Fisher) ND (Kelly) and/or Clemson (Sweeney) there is a chance of being in the conversation every year. But, we haven't been in the conversation because we haven't won enough to be considered. But with the right guy, someone who can beat the coaches named, we would be in the playoffs every year.

WWIN

Posted by: raizecane | October 28, 2015 at 12:16 AM

Why come we can't be dominant again... wouldn't you say bama is dominant right now... or Ohio state???

Montreal-Cane

From Bruce Feldman...My no.1 choice

1. Mario Cristobal, Alabama offensive line coach, 45: He’s spent the past three seasons working under Nick Saban and was named the National Recruiter of the Year this winter after helping the Tide reel in, among others, Calvin Ridley, Daron Payne and Minkah Fitzpatrick, three of the nation’s top freshmen.

No one is any more plugged into South Florida in college coaching than Cristobal, a Miami native and former standout O-lineman at UM. Cristobal has head coaching experience, having spent six seasons transforming FIU from by far the worst program in Division I into one that went to two bowl games.

He also has a good eye for coaching talent, having hired Scott Satterfield, Geoff Collins and Todd Orlando — three of the more respected up-and-comers in the college game — and played a key role in helping Greg Schiano flip Rutgers from laughing stock status.

Cristobal’s teams were fast and physical. They beat eventual co-Big East champion Louisville and then C-USA power UCF, two programs with much greater resources than FIU. At FIU, things went bad in a hurry in his final season, but a lot of that stemmed from the dysfunctional administration. Some may knock that Cristobal doesn’t have coordinator experience on his resume. Of course, neither did Jim Harbaugh, Urban Meyer or Art Briles, and things have worked out fine with those guys.

My two cents: UM desperately needs someone with deep South Florida ties and who understands UM. Cristobal does. Maybe he could even bring a Mel Tucker along with him as his DC. His time working under Saban, and learning that organizational structure is a plus.

...And i didn't know Mario's older brother is a Miami detective. No one knows the recruiting game in South Florida better than Mario " The National Recruiter of the year...Enough said!

raizecane

So did you mean we should shut the program down or just accept being mediocre???

Posted by: WWIN | October 27, 2015 at 11:51 PM

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None of the above......read carefully..... "we will never be the dominate teams like in the 80's and 90's does not mean we should shut the program down...it does not mean we can't be very good again. It means we will probably not play in a NC game every few years like we did back then.

86Cane

The return of OGV and UMike is a very good thing and a very good sign that change can bring a renewed hope and faith in all things orange and green.

86Cane

IMHO...there are several good candidates, some of whom have been mentioned here, some that have not. But just being a good coach does not necessarily a good candidate make. As JJ said it has the be the right guy, the right fit for the program. Time will tell IF they make the right decision or not, but the rest is just speculation and wishful thinking. Breathe deep, be patient and let the chips fall where they may. Step 1 is done, step 2 may take a while.

orange 'n green in the vein

Posted by: WWIN | October 27, 2015 at 11:51 PM

He wants UM to win the national championship as soon as possible.

Period.

Full stop William.

He is allowed to be open to that goal being achieved by more than just one mean. The illusion of a dichotomy of bulls horns is just as ineffective when even the finest of blogging agents stoops to it's employment as it is when the fuzziest of sockpuppets or the nationalistic and socialistic of SOUP chefs take it in the hand too.

Four other coaches have done what raize wants to see the next head coach to replace the interim one have done five different times in a very short span of time other than Butch, despite all his virtues and past sins whatever they may be, these are the facts as they stand now, does Butch have what it takes to join them at this point in time depends on what you think the most important skill the next coach needs to have really it occurs to me . . .

Laquinton

I respect that, Geoff or Randy ? Dorsey, would love to see him as OC when Schiano, Cristobal or Chud get the call. Any holdovers from the old staff... Beard seems like he has tools, love Ice.

WWIN

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 27, 2015 at 11:39 PM

I appreciate the honors OGV!

You wuz right about the mutants from Philly from the jump!!! Lol

SJMPARMAN

I think the timing of this will be the most interesting part of the process. The coaches who are relevant in terms of the college football playoffs are not going to be public about any interest until their fate is decided (Gundy, Whittingham come to mind). You may have established coaches who are out of the playoffs who might have some interest (Richt, Freeze). You have the young bloods (Fuente, Herman) and the ones with ties to the program (Butch, Erickson (?), Cristobal, Schiano, Chud, even Ed Reed(???).

There won't be a shortage of coaches wanting this job like when Golden was hired. Why? Because there is a talented pool of players on this team. It is not 5 stars but a good collection of upper level 3 and 4 stars (Golden fanned on the 5 stars for the most part. You have a young but QB gaining a lot of experience. You have an almost unlimited talent pool of 4 and 5 stars that could easily be convinced if you make the right pitch within 100 miles of your campus. You have UM, small classes and great weather. Coaches want this job now. The sanctions and probation will be over before next season begin. UM is in a really good position going forward.

But you also have a very unsettled current situation. You handed over the program to a guy on an interim basis who has no experience. He has never been a head coach on even a high school level. You have assistants who fear for their job and rightfully so. Some will try to manipulate the situation. Some feel DC Trout did that to JJ in his first year at UM after JJ was told he couldn't replace him because the 3-4 had won Miami a NC (Trout wasn't even in the coaches box upstairs when Flutie threw the ill fated Hail Mary). It wasn't until JJ's 2nd year that he implemented the 4-3. In the absence of an experienced interim HC the remainder of the season might get ugly. I am not saying it will but I am concerned.

That said, this is a situation the U needs to do right. I'd like to see Butch but I also want to say that I will support a reasonable choice EVEN IF it is not him if the decision is done with due diligence and not out of panic. But, don't be surprised if this road to a new coach might be as rocky as the road that led the last one to be fired.

WWIN

Raize... this is what you said...

Most of you are living in the past as the landscape of college football has changed. Miami will NEVER be the dominate team we were back in the 80's and 90's. Now i know that stung some of you but its the truth.

Posted by: raizecane | October 27, 2015 at 07:22 PM

So did you mean we should shut the program down or just accept being mediocre???

Laquinton

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/morning_call/2015/01/uh-football-coachs-contract-comes-with-hefty.html

Yeah they got that. My #1

orange 'n green in the vein

Posted by: WWIN | October 27, 2015 at 10:24 PM

The finest agent in all of blogging, truly an honor once again. We can conclusively prove that guesses of the identity of certain keyboard users' being an unemployed coach's agent are unfounded William, seeing as how quickly they were willing to cricket away when the lights came on to plunge in the knife to Jerry's favorite student number one, don't you agree? Also, are you aware all the way back there in Tennessee, where I'm glad to see you've returned to safely after all that time in that madhouse set of federal lines you had relocated to, that there is a game? It's on a Saturday and the sun will be on the other side of the terminator of this muddy little marble when it occurs. Are you aware of that William? I am Willie, and having watched every snap of their games to date if anybody wants to feel bad about how things are going, they'll be more than happy to remind some focus on reality without hesitation or remorse William, as the saying used to go around here in another time and era; STRAP UP!

Posted by: Laquinton | October 27, 2015 at 10:48 PM

Q, I'll shoot with you, my interest in the minutia of the grand scheme of the game has been waning for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is getting now farther in the rear view mirror, so now my already biased personally list is also that much more likely to be as accurate as vintage OC predictive signing day rolls under Alverage Slogan. However I can tell, as of right now I think I've got Ken Dorsey at #9 in front of the current UF LB coach down at #10, but he has what looks like I think a scratched out six next to his name on the other side of this piece of paper for some strange reason? Hmm, a mystery, if only dj moonbat was somehow available to contact to help me solve this . . .

laquinton

If Soup was Goldens agent

1mg of Epi

Golden leaves. Soup disappears. Hmmmmmm.....

raizecane

Hermans is 2.5 for a buyouy, he makes 1.4 a year

Wow.. we can get him

Posted by: Laquinton | October 27, 2015 at 11:06 PM

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If we happen to get him, I am wondering if he brings Major Applewhite with him.

ML Alumni1970

I had cataract surgery today. Cannot see much-yet. Has anyone contacted any of the BOTs? I put the info on last night?
Going to sleep. Maybe I will see better tomorrow.
Where is Soup?

CoCane

Go Canes,

What's really cute is you know your name. Lmfao!

What a GD...

TS ain't even pay attention to that foolishness.

You're so gullible. With your cute self. Lol

Laquinton

Hermans is 2.5 for a buyouy, he makes 1.4 a year

Wow.. we can get him

raizecane

So what's your answer Raize... should we just shut the program down? Or just accept being mediocre???

Posted by: WWIN | October 27, 2015 at 10:31 PM

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Thats almost not worth answering.... but i will. Please tell me where I said we should shut it down?? I have the right to express my opinion just like you. I want the best for this program just like you. nothing more / nothing less.

1mg of Epi

Wonder what the buyout is for Hernan or Fuente? The more I think about it the more BBB makes sense.

JCane

If JJ is truly involved in the process, I will be a whole lot more comfortable. Still gotta "trust in the process"....that phrase continues to make me throw up just a bit...

Agreed, Tony. Clearly Golden cared about his players and had much class about many things. However, he also wasn't a fit at UM, as he tried to make things change to fit him instead of v.v. If you have apples, you don't keep pulling out a peach pie recipe. Good luck to him in his future. I'm truly sorry it didn't work out, but this was clear many years ago.

1mg of Epi

### Jimmy Johnson told me that he and UM athletic director Blake James have texted and “I let him know I’m available if he wants a sounding board” on the coaching search. A UM source said James will take J.J. up on the offer.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2015/10/both-optimism-and-concern-about-heats-starting-five-jj-offers-to-assist-um-dolphins-nuggets.html

Laquinton

Jimmy Johnson told me that he and UM athletic director Blake James have texted and “I let him know I’m available if he wants a sounding board” on the coaching search. A UM source said James will take J.J. up on the offer.

Yesss jimmy. That man loves UM, he's known Butch for YEARSSSS..

OGV, welcome back. Who would you like to see get a shot ? Top 5 or 10 ?

SinisterCane

Jimmy Johnson to advise Blake James on incoming hire

### Jimmy Johnson told me that he and UM athletic director Blake James have texted and “I let him know I’m available if he wants a sounding board” on the coaching search. A UM source said James will take J.J. up on the offer.

Johnson says candidates shouldn’t be limited to people with UM ties. “You want the best candidate,” he said. “There are some outstanding individuals who will be interested in this job. I wouldn’t want any restriction.

“The University of Miami is a very unique place – there are obviously some things Miami does not have that some other top schools do have --- but Miami has some advantages – being in such a great area for recruiting. For a football coach, if you want to win, you’ve got a great opportunity. I still think it’s a great job but it takes the right individual.”

TonyCane

I'm ALL for Butch but... I will consider Charlie Strong only... and we know how much of a long shot Charlie is!

Posted by: WWIN | October 27, 2015 at 10:41 PM

Charlie Strong is making just over 5M a year at Texas (also a no-income tax state). I don't think that he takes a pay cut to go to Miami. Only chance of that happening is if he somehow turns the new AD and the boosters against him. The victory against OU helped a lot however.

TonyCane

http://fansided.com/2015/10/27/al-golden-visits-players-mother-hospital-fired/

Back to reading more of the discussions here.

Posted by: JCane | October 27, 2015 at 08:12 PM

As much as many of us disagreed with game day strategies and such, that article speaks volume to his character. Some coaches skip out in the night (either by their own choice or by the schools). This man cared for his players. You clearly saw it when Malcolm Lewis got hurt against Georgia Tech.

WWIN

Coke...

I'm hoping nobody else wants the job and they have no choice but to give it to Butch!!! Lol

WWIN

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | October 27, 2015 at 10:32 PM

Where's that damn "like button" at when you need it???

WWIN

I'm ALL for Butch but... I will consider Charlie Strong only... and we know how much of a long shot Charlie is!

TonyCane

Alabama 3 4 is the weak link of the team...they just get the choice of the recruits..what a waste

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | October 27, 2015 at 10:01 PM

No kidding. When you have 54 (!) four star recruits and 19 five star recruits sign with your team over the last four years, you have a tremendous margin for error.

Lurker

Aren't you little guys cute with your little abbreviations.

Lurker

think you got the wrong guy again!

Posted by: Sarasota 'cane | October 27, 2015 at 10:09 PM

Did I? Then I give up. I'm not going back to find that.

Hey, you notice linebacker in a 3-point hasn't come back after your little quip?

CoCane

OGV,

Lmao!

My fellow brother that gets it. Get rid of the nonsense and then sense emerges.

I'm sure you're as worried about the incompetence of the B.O.T. as I am.

I fear the brief joy of Folden getting the ax will ultimately get killed by a foolish hire.

We'll know the hire sucks if GD and TS like it. Lol

WWIN

And why is everyone just acting like Butch has just been sitting at home chillin???

Last I checked he's still making money from college football working for ESPN! Which he gets to visit different programs around the country and go over film... what better seasoning could a coach get???

mi@mic@ne

Im sure everyone wants Butch including jj ..im a butch guy unless you can bring in a coach who has his team in the top five...lol

Ohio_Cane

https://www.change.org/p/president-julio-frenk-and-board-of-trustees-bring-the-university-of-miami-hurricanes-football-program-back-to-glory-hire-butch-davis?recruiter=7991528&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

WWIN

Posted by: raizecane | October 27, 2015 at 07:22 PM

How did Bama look before Saban took over??? Answer: dumpster fire!... I wonder how things are going for em now? What does that remind you of? So what's your answer Raize... should we just shut the program down? Or just accept being mediocre???

Go Canes

Saw this retweeted. Kid has guts.

@_audi8: Saturday will be my greatest effort cause that's what you would want

Ohio_Cane

Yes.

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 27, 2015 at 10:16 PM
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Lol, good to know. Care to share?

WWIN

OGV... what's good fam? Glad to see you back around... I was actually going to email you before Golden got the axe!

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