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WWIN

Ohio_Cane... on Butch at UNC...

Do you think it's other coaches out there that would have done better at UNC?

THE MAN

Venables should be on the top of the list! ACC guy, proven coordinator at a top school, D is always stout, they recruit the crap out of FL, young, and fiery. Don't need an "up and coming coach from a small school." Give me a proven coordinator who is a good recruiter at a big time school any day!

mi@mic@ne

Somebody needs to rally around Butch to ask people to text the bots in his support and blow up the bots commuters lol

RCCF

Welcome Back OGV and U are 100% Correct!!
Glad the bloggers who made this place the enjoyable, knowledgeable escape from work life that it is....Are Back!!

Lurker

This is what employers look at. A timeline of your most recent performance.

Coaching employment - Butch Davis

2007-2010 UNC
-W/L record: 28-23
-Bowl record 1-2
-ACC record 15-17
-2008 and 2009 wins vacated (total 16 wins vacated)
-Fired 2010 amid academic scandal (Blake scandal also on record)

2010-present
-Unemployed as coach
-1 year as consultant in 2012
-Fired with entire staff 2013

This is his recent track record in football. His recent resume. Which is the most relevant. Just saying.

USAFCane

I deliberately got off Canespace yesterday, never expecting the AG firing so soon. I missed the biggest day in UM football for 5 years! For a day canespace will be united, then the debate and ultimate hire will divide us again. One thing for sure, if the hire isn't Butch, some folk on here will explode.

As for his replacement? So. Cal job has to be filled 1st, after that I think we are just edged by USC (Carolina) due to money only. My short list (not in order) is as follows:

Smart - can't believe no one mentioned him until about an hour ago. Would be a slam dunk from the Saban tree. So. Car likely having a long look also.

Herman - might have to wait on So.Cal, though I think USCwill be looking bigger. From the Meyer tree. Remember we could have made a run at Summlin? He'd be a slam dunk.

Christobal - not a traiter IMO. Smartest man in the room when he bolted to Saban. Years under Saban now, strong ties, will recruit great. Another slam dunk.

Davis - for all the reasons mentioned. Just don't think it will happen.

Schiano - almost the opposite of AG. Would fire this team up. Can recruit, NFL experience. Could have a Harbaugh like impact. Couldn't go wrong.


All I know is that it is exciting. Any of the above and the other will be a massive upgrade. Take care of the X and Os and the talent will take care of the rest.

Onward and upward, a great day to be a Cane!



Lurker

Sota, I read your entire post. Butch isn't the only person being mentioned or endorsed. I'm just disputing your snow ball notion. There's no snowball, imo. Just a lot of noise. Not only for Butch either.

Ohio_Cane

Ohio_Cane... on Butch at UNC...

Do you think it's other coaches out there that would have done better at UNC?

Posted by: WWIN | October 26, 2015 at 02:36 PM
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Not sure.

I'm sure there's some elite coaches out there that could've done better. Saban, Meyer, etc, but guys like that would never take a job at UNC.

Not to mention it's not like it's easy to recruit to UNC considering they're known for nothing but soccer and basketball, generally.

1mg of Epi

mental issues on display. Clever wording. Not man enough to come right out and say it directly.

Posted by: Lurker | October 26, 2015 at 12:25 PM

Anybody whose still here blogging about this team, day after day, year after long year, has some mental issues. Every last one of us.

Ohio_Cane

Manny Navarro ‏@Manny_Navarro 1m1 minute ago
Vegas odds on next #UM football coach: Butch (7/4), Cristobal (7/2), Chudzinski (5/1), Fuente (11/2), Holliday (8/1), Schiano (8/1)


Vegas says Butch. I'm all for it.

mi@mic@ne

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/10/26/miami-hurricanes-coaching-odds-butch-davis-leads-pack/ BUTCH BABY

Sarasota 'cane

This is his recent track record in football. His recent resume. Which is the most relevant. Just saying.
Posted by: Lurker | October 26, 2015 at 02:39 PM

As I stated earlier about Butch's stint at UNC you can cherry pick his record to say anything you want while simultaneously glossing over the fact that he assembled personnel that rivaled his championship personnel at UM.

He went into his last season with both hands tied behind his back so it's not surprising that a lot of folks didn't see what was happening before it imploded.

Did I mention that he is the best available candidate for the UM job regardless of his time at UNC??

mi@mic@ne

We played that team at UNC ...it was a stout d that would have destroyed us..but most of the players were suspended and we won...if Butch had those players on the field we would not have won that game.

mi@mic@ne

I remember the pundits talking about all the NFL talent that Butch had assembled on that d at NC ..but they were suspended for our game

USAFCane


VenablesforHC

Posted by: THE MAN | October 26, 2015 at 02:22 PM

Another great candidate. There are plenty of very talented candidates. As stated, any of them will be a massive upgrade.

mi@mic@ne

If we talk about getting this guy or that guy who can coach his style of defense ...or we want the guy with the dynamic offense we are asking for trouble...its not the style of offense or defense...we had one of the best offensive minds in college football in Erickson..yet without the talent it did not matter...we need the guy who brings such good talent that we can run a few plays and they cant stop us and a vanilla defense that is stout ... Butch is the only one who can accomplish these goals

THE MAN

Posted by: USAFCane | October 26, 2015 at 02:54 PM

Venables has all the traits you are looking for. Young, recruits well, defense minded, proven results at big time schools, fiery and from ACC and most likely stay in ACC. No other coach out there even comes close to what he has accomplished recently. I know everyone always says a Miami guy, but all past great Miami coaches weren't Miami guys, just good at their craft. I'm always against retreads, but that's just my opinion. Give me a proven, current guy anyday!

mi@mic@ne

Venables has not been a head coach...thats a big upgrade to take a chance on.

orange 'n green in the vein

Posted by: RCCF | October 26, 2015 at 02:38 PM

Who do you want to be Miami's replacement for the interim guy running this thing now? If you don't want to name names just give me what you want to see in the '16 opener different from the last five seasons instead because I'm curious.

mi@mic@ne

Jimmy, Erickson were head coaches even tho they were not a proven winner

THE MAN

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | October 26, 2015 at 03:03 PM

No one ever walked in as a HC. They all started somewhere. He has all the tools. Small school HC with success is not the right fit in my opinion and retreads aren't either. There are many reasons why they aren't coaching currently at the HC level. I'll take a top coordinator any day over those other options. The other options are much more risky in my opinon. Top coordinators have success making the switch. Obviously there are examples for both sides good and bad, but I bet more good then bad.

mi@mic@ne

http://www.stateoftheu.com/2015/10/26/9617254/icymi-butch-davis-wants-the-job

mi@mic@ne

Butch gets me fired up

Sarasota 'cane

Butch gets me fired up

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | October 26, 2015 at 03:11 PM

It's a snowball rolling downhill! Let's see where this is on Friday.

j.w.

his is what employers look at. A timeline of your most recent performance.

Coaching employment - Butch Davis

2007-2010 UNC
-W/L record: 28-23
-Bowl record 1-2
-ACC record 15-17
-2008 and 2009 wins vacated (total 16 wins vacated)
-Fired 2010 amid academic scandal (Blake scandal also on record)

2010-present
-Unemployed as coach
-1 year as consultant in 2012
-Fired with entire staff 2013

This is his recent track record in football. His recent resume. Which is the most relevant. Just saying.

Posted by: Lurker | October 26, 2015 at 02:39 PM
To quote someone more famous and smarter than either of us, So What? It isn't "most relevant" necessarily and his record at Caroling came after taking a job that had truly bottomed out. Don't forget most of his North Carolina rosters were better than our teams of the same era and he kicked our arses on the field pretty much every time we played. He's been there and succeeded at this school. Every day the UNC mess moves further away from him, making him more hire-able.

mi@mic@ne

Butch is not a retread.. there are a lot of good coaches who have a lower IQ.. Especially a football IQ..your also getting a guy who has coached in two super bowls...lol its a no brainer.. the guy is smarter than anyone out there

trianglecane

Manny Navarro ✔ @Manny_Navarro

Vegas odds on next #UM football coach: Butch (7/4), Cristobal (7/2), Chudzinski (5/1), Fuente (11/2), Holliday (8/1), Schiano (8/1)

THE MAN

I like Butch too, but there is obviously a reason he hasn't been a head coach for over 4 years.

RCCF

HC: Chudz
OC: Dorsey
KEEP: Ice, Beard, Smith, Brown and Brown
DC: Ed Reed

mi@mic@ne

I do not believe he would even consider another school ..he wants to show that he is a loyal Cane...he could pursue other openings but he wants to coach the U again ..your pretending to know what he is thinking..hes already stated exactly what he wants

Go Canes

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | October 26, 2015 at 02:46 PM

Man those dudes in Vegas are smart.

Sarasota 'cane

One thing is for certain, with Butch so publicly campaigning so passionately for his old job, he is all but guaranteeing that UM's next coach will be a great coach with a proven track record. There's no way they can pass him over for some Dollar Store retread like Golden.

thirstybuzzardcane

Smart is not coming here....he's saying he's interested only to up his stock so the Gamecocks will pay him $$$$$. He's just playing the game!

mi@mic@ne

would you rather be a cane or a cock...i rest my case lol Smart will never be a cane lol

thirstybuzzardcane


I like Butch too, but there is obviously a reason he hasn't been a head coach for over 4 years.

Posted by: THE MAN | October 26, 2015 at 03:18 PM

He can't get a HC job or he'll lose the money that is still owed to him. His contract with UNC ends in 2015

mi@mic@ne

The gods are screaming ..its not a coincidence that Butch is freed to coach again just at the time that Golden laid an egg...lol

THE MAN

Posted by: thirstybuzzardcane | October 26, 2015 at 03:26 PM

That is true, but how many hot head coaches in waiting don't take other jobs just to keep collecting a pay check?

I say VENABLES or bust!

thirstybuzzardcane

The thing I don't know about Chud is does he have the motivation personality ! He seems like a pretty laid back quiet guy. We need someone who is loud and agressive!

thirstybuzzardcane

Lol, miamicane

thirstybuzzardcane

That is true, but how many hot head coaches in waiting don't take other jobs just to keep collecting a pay check?

I say VENABLES or bust!

Posted by: THE MAN | October 26, 2015 at 03:29 PM
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I dont know, ask the millions of people on wellfare why they don't try to find jobs!

thirstybuzzardcane

^^^^not all people take advantage of wellfare, some families really need it!

Sarasota 'cane

Chud doesn't have the recruiting ties that UM needs right now IMO.

Ohio_Cane

David Furones ‏@DavidFurones90 3m3 minutes ago Florida, USA

Jack Allison's HS coach Dave Marino tells me Allison was disappointed and him sticking depends on new coach and whether team retains Coley.

30CINCO

He can't get a HC job or he'll lose the money that is still owed to him. His contract with UNC ends in 2015

Posted by: thirstybuzzardcane | October 26, 2015 at 03:26 PM
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Makes zero sense.

UNC owed him 2.4 mil spread out over 4 years, so he is making 600k per year for doing nothing.

Great gig for someone who doesn't want back into coaching. But he has stated he wanted to coach since he was let go, he would be making over 2 mil / year anywhere he went, if not more.

Last I checked, 2 mil per year > 600k.

RCCF

For everyone who thinks Chudz has no recruiting ties what did he do as a coach, sit on his thumbs? LoL

No Recruiting lol

Lurker

Hire Doc Holliday.

Just for the name alone.

But do we get the Dennis Quaid Doc Holliday or the Val Kilmer Doc Holliday?

mi@mic@ne

chud and clappy were great o coordinators here but just like Randy your taking a chance in moving them into the head coaching position...its hard not to see an assistant moving up to a head coach not as a dollar store higher...you need a guy like Butch who has experience with demanding to be backed with money in order to run the program at this championship level... you saw what happened when they hired Randy on the cheap...

mi@mic@ne

hire lol

Lurker

No, Sota is right. Chud has zero recruiting ties right now. Been in the pros like 15 years.

To me he he's the least attractive of the candidates, just from a personality standpoint. Good offensive mind, though.

Sarasota 'cane

Chud hasn't recruited college kids in 15 years. I'm not anti Chud, I just think that there are 3 guys being considered that have a better recruiting resume than Chud does.

He's #4 on my list.

Go Canes

Whoever the coach is, retaining this kid has to be priority 1, 2, 3 and 4.

@DavidFurones90: Jack Allison's HS coach Dave Marino tells me Allison was disappointed and him sticking depends on new coach and whether team retains Coley.

Ohio_Cane

Jeff White ‏@JeffWhiteWins 51m51 minutes ago

i'm hearing things are heating up behind the scenes for the Miami Hurricanes head coaching job, money being talked

Jeff White ‏@JeffWhiteWins 4m4 minutes ago

come on guys I set it up on a tee for you lol
now since he has come out publicly about the job
its Butch Davis in talks to be Canes coach


I hope this guy isn't full of s#it

THE MAN

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | October 26, 2015 at 03:42 PM

Randy's downfall was his personality and inablitly to attract quality assistant coaches. I believe comparing them is apples to oranges. Venables has the total resume you look for in a coordinator ready to make the next step. Could you say the same for Randy? Or Coker? HC is more than just X's and O's. It's about how to get through to 100 18-22 year olds and your assistant coaches. It's scheme, personality, relationship building, trust, talent evaluation, committment, etc. The list goes on and on. Randy or Coker had very few on that list in my opinion so it does an injustice to compare.

Go Canes

Agree on Chud. Been out of the college game a long, long time.

Think everyone would be more than fine with Butch. But if not him, I'll take Smart over any of the other names.

Going to be a crazy 45 days!

mi@mic@ne

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/10/26/kelly-im-fully-in-the-butch-davis-camp/?cid=facebook_CBS_Miami

Go Canes

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | October 26, 2015 at 03:56 PM

Lol. Who the hell is that dude?

Ohio_Cane

@JeffWhiteWins: .@iTdatCANEdUDE @86Cane I am a Sports handicapper who thought he would pass on some big info I came privy to, for Canes fans enjoyment

Sarasota 'cane

Go Canes

I think we'll know who the next coach is by Saturday. I just have a hunch that they want to have this in the bag asap.

My last hunch was that Golden would be in the bag by Sunday!

Ohio_Cane

This hire HAS TO BE sooner than later, which is why I don't think any current HC will get the job here. They can't speak about it until they're fired or the season is over.

Fuente, Herman, Pagano etc are out, IMO, only because we can't wait for their seasons to be over.

raizecane

I'll be honest...i don't care who we hire as long as he brings the program back to the winning tradition we fans expect. Can i get an AMEN!! ?

mi@mic@ne

if they dont hire butch ...who the whole cane family is behind then the next time this failure happens someone is gonna pay..thats my take

Ohio_Cane

Jeff White ‏@JeffWhiteWins 1m1 minute ago

.@MichaelSanchize I spoke w a close friend who is a friend of Butch's
Butch's agent suppose to be in talks w 2 high level Miami folks 2day

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Ohio_Cane

Jeff White ‏@JeffWhiteWins 9m9 minutes ago

.@MichaelSanchize not teasing, knew you guys would be excited my close friend is a huge Canes fan and supporter

Sarasota 'cane

I think it's Butch or Schiano with my money on Butch.

mi@mic@ne

man this is the most excited ive been in a long time hope im not let down...goooo Butch

Ohio_Cane

Geo305 ‏@CIS_Geo 2m2 minutes ago

According to a UM donor. Thinks it will be either Butch, Chud or Schiano.

If that's the case. Butch me please http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2015/10/butch-davis-is-interested-in-becoming-ums-next-coach-but-is-um-really-interested-in-him.html

THE MAN

Who is this?

In his 19 years as a full-time assistant coach, his teams have 19 winning seasons, have been to 19 bowl games and have won 10+ games 14 times.

Ohio_Cane

2016 RB Travis Homer reaffirms commitment to UM:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSRNxrWUwAAOR92.jpg

MLAlumni1970

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1mg of Epi

Ohio... This guy just a Twitter troll?

30... You're right, Butch's name has been tarnished. No matter how much we want him, which I do, ya have to admit that.I wonder what he makes w his TV gig though.

Raize... Amen

mi@mic@ne

Jimmy Johnson " Butch is the best talent evaluator I have ever seen"

Ohio_Cane

Ohio... This guy just a Twitter troll?


Posted by: 1mg of Epi | October 26, 2015 at 04:19 PM
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Possibly.

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Lurker

I have a good friend that spoke with Gruden last night.

He's been talking to the BOT since late last night.

No lie. It's gonna happen. I think it will snowball over the next several days and we'll get an announcement on Friday.

mi@mic@ne

No body has any more juicy stuff?..i read there was a butch sighting that is relevant but dont know where

Lurker

Yes, Butch was seen looking through binoculars into Gruden's house this afternoon. Trying to size up the competition.

mi@mic@ne

lol

Sarasota 'cane

Lurker that's funny! Just like your lock that the school wouldn't be making any changes till the end of the year! That was a knee slapper.

Ohio_Cane

DeeRob at CIS:

Butch Davis and Tom Herman (possiblities)

Im all the way out here at Ft. Hood, Texas where Im stationed, and I ran into a guy with UM stickers all over his car...So i go to speak and it was a high ranking official in the military who graduated from UM but i cant say his name for Security reasons.. but we had a converasation about the Head Coaching Vacancy and he said he heard from a person within UM he still in contact with that Tom Herman is at towards the top of the list and Butch Davis is creeping up slowly because alot of people want him to be considered.... its just what he heard so im passing along that tid bit of info.. GO Canes!

VfB_Cane

Paul is dead, but Elvis has just left the building. lol

Ohio_Cane

Either I missed responses, or it didn't get answered, so I'll ask again...

Can we afford to wait for a coach who's currently employed and not being fired any time soon? ie: Herman, Fuente, Pagano, etc.

They can't speak to UM until their season is over, right? We need a coach hired ASAP, right?

It's almost November and recruiting season is getting shorter. I'm very aware that one recruiting class wouldn't make up for a coaching miss again, but still, there's very good options available now.

SinisterCane

I would like to be considered for the Miami HC job.

First day on the job I'll replace the band with Jam Pony Express DJ's

30CINCO

UM can talk/negotiate with a coach's agent behind the scenes.

It would be ideal to have a name as early as possible, but not mandatory.

A coach can say he is leaving and say he will coach their teams bowl game or even leave before the bowl season begins. Both scenarios have happened.

orange 'n green in the vein

Posted by: Sarasota 'cane | October 26, 2015 at 04:32 PM

It was Ganes fan pornography at its filthiest and needed to be called out at the time as such, the lack of shame in some people really gets to me, let me tell you.

Posted by: SinisterCane | October 26, 2015 at 04:47 PM

It's master plans like these that I suspect are symptomatic of the reason for the problems you and I have had in the past between us on here during the former rain of error. Back to the lab I would suggest.

miamicane

The last time we heard that Gruden signed a contract we were close to seeing Golden say are you kidding me..im a litter gun shy hearing Grudens name once again..it congers up the fear that we will be reacting like what in th h#$% who is this guy?

Lurker

Lurker that's funny! Just like your lock that the school wouldn't be making any changes till the end of the year! That was a knee slapper.

Posted by: Sarasota 'cane | October 26, 2015 at 04:32 PM

Refresh my memory. When did I say anything about a lock?

Before Saturday nobody was expecting a mid season firing because losing almost 60-0 was inconceivable.

Sarasota 'cane

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | October 26, 2015 at 04:41 PM

Can they, sure. But why would they. Assuming Butch isn't the guy why not go lock up Schiano and call it a day?

Both Butch and Schiano want the job now. Crowder just made a great point. Would Mario be considered for this job if he didn't have Miami ties? They all said no. Crowder just broke down the ALA coaching tree and they all felt that Mario was the 8th best coach on the team.

Lurker

But for real. Gruden is in the picture.

Va Cane

Minus the defense, that sounds like Golden. Dorsett, Walford, Duke, etc to compare to "developing studs". Golden had 7 guys drafted last year, so he put a bunch of guys in the NFL too.
Really? Nooooooo way....

Golden isnt even a real coach when you start talking about Butch....those guys above are nice players....they have to be....they do play....but read the names.....of the greats....not even close!

1. they got to the NFL on their own ability and drive.....they learned nothing here...from AlPa NoDPa....no way!

2 Those cats would never have been on the 2001-2003 teams.....not even close to being good enough.....they would have been sitting in the stands watching....no room for them on those teams!

Just read the article about that team....they ARE the greatest of all time.....hands down...
and we do have people here who say they were there and loved it....they must have been Ray Charles Stevie Wonder and Jose Feliciano....blind as shit.....to continually defend the product since 2003.....

2

Va Cane


Paul is dead, but Elvis has just left the building. lol.....
Hers another clue for you all the walrus was Paul....Glass Onion The White Album....btw...a glass onion is used to view the inside of a coffin.....hmmmmmmmmm lets look inside the coffin that is our program.....its dead right now!!!!!

miamicane

I hope the bot is not stupid enough.to see the intellegence in Butch putting that team together...it doesnt matter how much you know or how good you coach if you cant pick the most talented players..the team wanted clappy to coach because they knew he wouldnt change the program ..they did not need to be coached lol they gave clappy two championships one was cheated

Va Cane

Shannon: And when you look back on it, those guys weren't the most highly-recruited players. They weren't high on the rating charts, they just wanted to WIN!

Soldinger: I always told (high school) kids 'If you want to see how good you are, come to Miami. Because the kids we recruit at Miami love to play ball. If somebody else is promising you the chance to start, and you want to go start, go there. I'm not promising you a starting spot. There are a lot of good athletes here. You're going to see just how good you are.'


Amen to both of them....they know. Randy could have been a savior knowing what he knew......he went totally in the opposite direction.....it was aching under Clappy....dying under Onion.....and died an awful death under AlPa.....so sad......

Sarasota 'cane

Before Saturday nobody was expecting a mid season firing because losing almost 60-0 was inconceivable.

Posted by: Lurker | October 26, 2015 at 04:54 PM

I called it after the CINN game. I did state that he might be allowed to finish the year for buyout reasons, but I clearly stated that he could not survive losses to FSU and Clemson and that a decision would be made after the Clemson game.

Lurker

Good for you. I don't think he would have been fired had we lost by a field goal to Clemson. After the season, yes, no doubt. As it is, key members of the BOT were so passed, they forced Blake's hand according to several sources.

Lurker

pissed (not passed)

1mg of Epi

real. Gruden is in the picture.

Posted by: Lurker | October 26, 2015 at 04:56 PM

Tweet that! The world needs to know!!

Lurker

I can't tweet that. My Twitter account is all business

Va Cane

Long article....but damn worth the time to read I looked at it twice....watch the videos.....read the words and names.....there is not a player at this school who could play on those teams.....Kaaya could he reminds me a lot of KD11.....watch ol Ken crank that ball up....miss seeing that.....the action the dynamics of the schemes....O, D, ST, watch the line block....the tight coverage....the defenders turning to blockers on TO's......

Show it to those ignorant stuffed shirt over paid high and mighty ass kissing liberals on that BOT.....let them see the facts...how dare they long to return to those days....they were never there nor did they care....Blake James talking about a black eye...the Board, DS, the ADs and the damn fools they hired caused this death.....AlPa couldnt even imagine playing or coaching at that level....at least Clappy and Onion were there and knew about it.....I bet AlPa and NoDPa have 4 hour hard ons (from the viagra commercials) just wishing they could imagine playing at that level

This is football.....this is what I have coached for years and preach all the time....its real if you want to work for it....it aint in no folder or phamplet ....its on the field and in mens hearts!!!!

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/miami-hurricanes-pursuit-of-perfection-in-2001-an-oral-history-091714

Va Cane

Dont need no Gruden....cannot see it!

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