One of our bloggers had the intelligence to write this about STARS and talent:
"Your analysis (that stars don't matter) is certainly valid for single games when arguably against specific competition, any team can beat any other team in the same conference. Indeed, the outcome of individual games can turn on a multitude of different factors. That's why underdogs do sometimes win.
Moreover, your position (that stars don't really matter) may also be valid for a single season, when, sometimes, a team comprised of lower ranked recruits somehow prevails over a team comprised of more highly prized recruits.
However, when you examine a long term trend, such as GT's losing streak vs. UM or UM's losing streak vs. FSU, the most likely explanation is a material difference in talent. STARS MATTER.
Likewise, the most plausible explanation for the recurring successes of top programs like Alabama and Ohio State is recruiting successes on successive NSDs. STARS MATTER.
So, too, there is a good reason why some teams, like Vanderbilt and Wake Forrest, will never win their respective conferences. STARS MATTER.
You've been on a "Stars don't matter" bandwagon for many years now. But the facts belie your position." STARS MATTER
YEAH!
Posted by: CaneRock | October 09, 2016 at 11:36 PM
YUP
Posted by: SOUP | October 09, 2016 at 11:37 PM
Posted by: ANGRY SOUP | October 09, 2016 at 10:43 PM
For someone who's always yapping about attacking the ideas not the poster, this, and the fact you let that lunatic control your blog, shows it's all b.s.
"I wonder what Soup or OGV think?"
Words typed on here by no one, ever.
You should think about that every once in a while instead of asking aloud why you "tolerate" people on here who interact well with just about everyone.
I'm sure this will be deleted and I'll be blocked again, but at this point, who cares.
Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | October 09, 2016 at 11:43 PM
Uh oh, WW in 3, 2, 1...
Posted by: The Dude | October 09, 2016 at 11:48 PM
Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | October 09, 2016 at 11:43 PM
The ish about your daughter is completely out of bounds.
Posted by: The Dude | October 09, 2016 at 11:49 PM
I agree that CMR's comments that they went to the RPOs too often. CMR has had more success in the past when he ran the two back sets more often. The run sets up the pass. then move to the RPO when the opponent starts stacking the box. The good teams in college football run the football. Even the better passing teams in college still run the football effectively. At every level, teams that win the rushing battle usually win the game.
The Canes do not have a mobile QB, but he is a good passer. The Canes need him to be efficient with about 18-20 passes a game, then rushing for 150+ yards a game. If the Canes can't figure out how to get back to Walton and Yearby and Gus and run the ball against good teams, they will not win most of those games.
Posted by: BigWindyCane1 | October 09, 2016 at 11:50 PM
LOL.
Fair and balanced title Tom. 100% Smart Mark.
Dude, the horse looks like him and he wore out his arm getting sample for it but it's not his daughter, he's stupid and a troll who cheers for felonious sex-assault university because he's a sid-tard GD who cries for a whambulance and knows nothing about what's happening as usual about everything.
Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 09, 2016 at 11:56 PM
Uh oh, WW in 3, 2, 1...
Posted by: The Dude | October 09, 2016 at 11:48 PM
A WHOLE blog article for me now? GREAT!
STARS don't matter...and if I can recall Wake Forest has played in a ACCCG
Posted by: WWIN | October 10, 2016 at 12:05 AM
Stars matter...which is why Duke has been a top ACC team just once. To go against that trend you need a once in a lifetime, game changing coach like briles or Kelly and overachieve due to advanced schemes. Or you can be like Saban, Brown, Miles, and Butch Davis and win by sheer overwhelming talent.
Posted by: TonyCane | October 10, 2016 at 12:21 AM
What's good Legion/Canespace. This lost should be used as motivation for the rest of the year. Being close is not good enough; you have to learn to finish and win. CGNC welcome back; much love and appreciation for the original Legion. Soup, can't thank you enough for giving us this blog/forum to discuss Canes athletic.
Posted by: Alex D | October 10, 2016 at 12:23 AM
Posted by: TonyCane | October 10, 2016 at 12:21 AM
Out of ALL the teams in the country why was we ranked #2 for draftable players two years ago??? Higher than bama higher than Ohio state!
Posted by: WWIN | October 10, 2016 at 12:28 AM
Let me make sure y'all understand what I'm saying...
I'm saying we need to recruit players that we think can PLAY and don't worry about what their star ranking is... whether if it's a 2* or a 5* take em if you think they can play! So if we end up with a team full of 3* players that we think can ball then oh well! I just don't think we should take players based on STAR rankings ONLY! Some of y'all look at the rankings ONLY and say "I don't see enough star power" and haven't even watched the kids live or on film.
Posted by: WWIN | October 10, 2016 at 12:57 AM
Man, this star debate got me thinking. Now a days, there ain't too many guys flying under the radar. The level of coaching fluctuates wildly between high school programs. Combine this with the fact that kids mature at different rates and it makes choosing the right players an art as much as a science.
The U's emphasis on speed at every position changed football and now its everybody's goal to play like we did.
Butch Davis was uniquely qualified to build what he did here. How many guys have Super Bowl
Rings and National titles as a dc and take over his own program as head coach? There were rough times due to sanctions and learning how to hc on the job but when he got it the results were historic. He could identify guys with the right skill sets and attitudes to take them from snot
Nose freshmen to hall of famers with cutting edge, Super Bowl winning technique. We may never see that again.
So lets get the ballers with stars on deck like the big boys of cfb. But don't get star struck cause those studs on ish teams with ish coaches are itching to prove they can kick a five stars ass and punish the big time schools that snubbed him.
COACH THEM BOYS UP!!!!!!!
Posted by: TruCane81 | October 10, 2016 at 01:44 AM
Dem Canes 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 No time to cry over spilled milk, get ready for UNC, we cannot let Florida State beat us twice in one year.
Posted by: IraqiCane | October 10, 2016 at 04:28 AM
If BD had been the coach of this loss the blog would be saying time had pasted him by.
Posted by: Canefederate | October 10, 2016 at 06:59 AM
"Past"
Posted by: Canefederate | October 10, 2016 at 07:01 AM
CMR is on QAM right now.
Said that Kaaya played the game with a hurt shoulder from the first play of the game on and won't throw for a couple of days, maybe more. Also said Sunny is out indefinitely and they are going to appeal the targeting call on Carter to the ACC. Hey said they coached him to hit exactly like he did I thought it was a perfect play.
Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | October 10, 2016 at 07:39 AM
"We had them, and let them off the hook!"
There were plays left on the field by both the offense and defense. Loosing on a kick to those fools makes it even worse.
Time to lick our wounds, saddle up, and get ready to take out the frustration on UNC.
#beatunc
Posted by: 30CINCO | October 10, 2016 at 08:15 AM
Yep:
https://twitter.com/u_canegang/status/785445750419365890
Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | October 10, 2016 at 08:33 AM
Canes brothers!
Tough one, but I think most of us believed that it would not be an easy game.
Only saw the 2nd half. ..which proves we still got work to do.
D played very well. ..2 plays...tells tell he story. ..
OL was just manhandled. ..and again the untimely holding call.
But, realistically they are deeper and better as the game wore on....
Great TD pass to have opportunity to tie...but, hey like Iraqi cane said. ..
Don't let FSU beat us twice. ..
Regroup and hey UNC....we owe them. ...
God bless you and Go Canes!
Posted by: Mark from Atlanta | October 10, 2016 at 08:46 AM
When we have players that get their tooth knocked out, and do not give a faq where it's at on the ground, then and only then are we "back." []_[]
Posted by: 360Cane | October 10, 2016 at 09:08 AM
Posted by: 360Cane | October 10, 2016 at 09:08 AM
Back in the day the only thing that would knock our a players tooth was crack.
#usoft
Posted by: 1mg of Epi | October 10, 2016 at 09:29 AM
Great seeing u guys at the game..Terrance don't ever miss a game again. This loss IS partially your fault but we won't go into it. The fsu game is in the past just hope we don't have a hangover vs a must win unc, See u guys saturday
Posted by: canezilla | October 10, 2016 at 09:42 AM
"Said that Kaaya played the game with a hurt shoulder from the first play of the game on and won't throw for a couple of days, maybe more."
^^^^^^^^And?...Francois had a 300+ LB DLman land on His shoulder, and He had enough chutzpah to make plays...and He played with a concussion.
Kaaya needs to take that right index finger He likes to shush people with and win a game that matters, cuz He ain't shut me up yet.
Posted by: CaneRock | October 10, 2016 at 09:53 AM
Both QB's made plays while hurt, the only difference between the two was the missed XP.
Posted by: 30CINCO | October 10, 2016 at 10:01 AM
And that damn pick in the end zone, coupled with no running game. ....
Curious, is Gus not playing for some known reason?
Posted by: Mark from Atlanta | October 10, 2016 at 10:09 AM
Nah, there's a difference. Francois got hurt later in the game, and came back and made plays. While Kaaya got hurt on the first play, got effected for the rest the game, and now "won't throw for a couple of days"...soft.
Posted by: CaneRock | October 10, 2016 at 10:10 AM
So Kayaa gets hurt on the first play - then goes on to throw 2 TD's, one to "essentially" tie the game at the end...... Ok.
Posted by: 30CINCO | October 10, 2016 at 10:14 AM
Should've thrown more than 2 TDs...that INT should have never been thrown. The Dorsey comparisons are a joke. Even Jacory showed more testicular fortitude than Kaaya, He played the 2009 game with a screwed up thumb, and won. Kaaya's soft until He proves otherwise.
Posted by: CaneRock | October 10, 2016 at 10:21 AM
They are QB did make a few place but on their last 73 yard drive they rode Dalvin the entire drive.
If there was a difference maker in that game it was him, and only him.
Kaaya wasn't special, but I also think he was handcuffed by the position he was put into when he did throw it.
Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | October 10, 2016 at 10:25 AM
Posted by: 30CINCO | October 10, 2016 at 10:14 AM
He threw a critical Int that cost us 3 points.
Posted by: The Dude | October 10, 2016 at 10:29 AM
Like I said, Kaaya was far from spectacular, but CR I think you're way off when you call him soft.
I'm Guy got banged HARD on the very first play of the game right in front of me. I thought it was done there. He then took a shot to the head that knocked a tooth out and never missed a play.
The guy never got the chance to take over the game because every series we did nothing but run, run, run until we had to throw.
And don't forget with our game on the line on fourth down he delivered a picture perfect throw for the game-tying TD.
Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | October 10, 2016 at 10:29 AM
The runs, I believe they were RPOs.
Posted by: The Dude | October 10, 2016 at 10:31 AM
The INT was a terrible pass, and a bad decision. I see no reason to be jiggling Francois nuts when their performance was almost identical, which is how this conversation started.
How Jacory beating a sorry ass 7-6 team being relevant to this conversation is beyond me. And dont mistake this comment as hating on Jacory, it's not.
Posted by: 30CINCO | October 10, 2016 at 10:33 AM
Jacory beat Bowden also, not Fisher. Bowden was done.
Posted by: The Dude | October 10, 2016 at 10:37 AM
The Int was the turning point of the game. Kaaya isnt as bad or soft as people claim, but hes honestly only better than average some of the time. Hes a dime a dozen. A QB with great talent, no more. Not a winner. Not a killer. We will be back when we dont need guys like him to be great.
Posted by: The Dude | October 10, 2016 at 10:40 AM
And don't forget with our game on the line on fourth down he delivered a picture perfect throw for the game-tying TD.
Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | October 10, 2016 at 10:29 AM
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Most would call that a clutch play.
Posted by: 30CINCO | October 10, 2016 at 10:43 AM
^^^ It never mattered. Somehow when Brad is "clutch," its still a loss. He cant have 2 good drives the whole damn game.
Posted by: The Dude | October 10, 2016 at 10:49 AM
Sam Bruce is gone.
Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | October 10, 2016 at 10:56 AM
Sam Bruce is gone.
Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | October 10, 2016 at 10:56 AM
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He was only 5'1" anyways...
Posted by: Ohio_Cane | October 10, 2016 at 10:56 AM
Sam Bruce is gone.
Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | October 10, 2016 at 10:56 AM
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I blame Kaaya
Posted by: 30CINCO | October 10, 2016 at 10:58 AM
TD how many drives did we have that went run, run, run or run, run pass on
3rd and long?
Hard for the QB to have great drives when all he's doing is handing off.
Again, not saying he was great, but he's way down the list of why we lost.
Very poor play calling, offensive line issues, penalties, usual ACC ref screw jobs and an inability to kick a PAT would be higher.
Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | October 10, 2016 at 11:00 AM
Sam Bruce is gone.
Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | October 10, 2016 at 10:56 AM
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He was only 5'1" anyways...
Posted by: Ohio_Cane | October 10, 2016 at 10:56 AM
And he had hairy feet too.
Posted by: SOUP | October 10, 2016 at 11:01 AM
Very poor play calling, offensive line issues, penalties, usual ACC ref screw jobs and an inability to kick a PAT would be higher.
Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | October 10, 2016 at 11:00 AM
This is true.
Posted by: SOUP | October 10, 2016 at 11:01 AM
My in game and post game interviews with fans from both teams had Kaaya rated a 6 or 7 on a scale of 1-10. I think that's about right.
Posted by: SOUP | October 10, 2016 at 11:03 AM
How are you "clutch" if you lost? Took a pretty good return from Berrios to even put us in that position. FSU scored with 15:32 remaining in the game, and all Kaaya could produce in that time was 6 measly points...ess-oh-eff-tee...soft.
Posted by: CaneRock | October 10, 2016 at 11:05 AM
Go,
The Int took 3 points off the board. Thats Miami 22, FSU 20. He made the 2nd biggest mistake of the game.
Posted by: The Dude | October 10, 2016 at 11:06 AM
Clutch - (in sport) denoting or occurring in a critical situation in which the outcome of a game or competition is at stake.
Perfect throw on a 4th down play to tie the game fits the definition. The XP being blocked due to a missed block by the Oline does not fall on the QB.
Posted by: 30CINCO | October 10, 2016 at 11:07 AM
Damn, Sam Bruce dismissed? The should have waited until after we beat UNC to announce. Bad news.
Posted by: The Dude | October 10, 2016 at 11:08 AM
UM's 2nd half possessions...INT,punt,punt,punt,TD...6 stinkin' points in 5 possessions...6 measly points in the 2nd half...that's not "clutch".
Posted by: CaneRock | October 10, 2016 at 11:19 AM