Churn And Burn

Here's a complete breakdown of players who transferred out, did not qualify, and were removed from the Hurricanes within two seasons for each class:

2002:
QB Marc Guillon (4 stars) last year 2003
TE Curtis Justus (4 stars) last year 2003
DE John Wood (4 stars) last year 2002
DB Terrell Walden (4 stars) did not qualify
LB Nate Harris (4 stars) did not qualify
RB J.R Mounts (4 stars) did not qualify
LB Antonio Reynolds(3 stars) did not qualify

2003:
DE Alton Wright (3 stars) Last year 2004
LB Ali Highsmith (3 stars) did not qualify

2004:
RB Bobby Washington (4 stars) last year 2004
OL Tyler McMeans (5 stars) last year 2004
OL John St. Pierre (2 stars) last year 2005
DB Rashaun Jones (3 stars) last year 2005
DB Lovon Ponder (4 stars) last year 2005
LB Willie Williams (5 stars) last year 2005
OL Josh Kerr (2 stars) did not qualify
TE Cedric Hill (2 stars) did not qualify

2005:
None

2006:
WR George Robinson (2 stars) last season '06
DE Chris Lewis (3 stars) last season 2006
DT Chaz Washington (3 stars) last season '06
QB Daniel Stegall (2 stars) went to baseball

2007:
DB Doug Wiggins (4 stars) last season 2007
TE Dan Adderley (2 stars) last season 2008
RB Shawnbrey McNeal (3 stars)last season '08
DT Chris Perry (3 stars) last season 2008
QB Robert Marve (4 stars) last season 2008
WR Jermaine McKenzie (4 stars)last season 08

2008:
QB Taylor Cook (2 stars) last season 2008
LB Zach Kane (2 stars) last season 2008
LB Brandon Marti (2 stars) last season 2008
LB Gavin Hardin (3 stars) last season 2008
LB Antonio Harper (3 stars) last season 2008
QB Cannon Smith (3 stars) last season 2008
DB Joe Wylie (3 stars) last season 2008
WR Thearon Collier (3 stars) last season '09
LB Arthur Brown (5 stars) last season 2009
LB C.J. Odom (2 stars) did not qualify

2009:
TE Stephen Plein (2 stars) last season 2009
DB Jamal Reid (4 stars) last season 2009
DB Prince Kent (3 stars) did not qualify

2010:
LB Travis Williams (4 stars) last season '10
DT Jeffery Brown (2 stars) last season 2010
OL Jermaine Barton (3 stars) last season '10
DB Devont'a Davis (3 stars) last season '10
LB Kevin Nelson (3 stars) last season 2010
RB Storm Johnson (4 stars) last season 2010
RB Darion Hall (3 stars) last season 2011
DB Keion Payne (3 stars) last season 2011
DE Andrew Tallman (3 stars) last season 2011
DT Tavadis Glenn (4 stars) did not qualify
WR Jeremy Davis (3 stars) did not qualify
DT Delmar Taylor (3 stars) did not qualify

2011:
DE Jalen Grimble (4 stars) last season 2012
DB Thomas Finnie (3 stars) last season 2012
LB Eddie Johnson (3 stars) last season 2012
LB Gionni Paul (3 stars) last season 2012
DE Ricardo Williams (3 stars)last season '12
LB Antonio Kinard (3 stars) did not qualify
RB Kevin Grooms (3 stars) did not qualify

2012:
DT Jacoby Briscoe (3 stars) last season 2012
WR Jontavious Carter (3 stars)last season'12
DB Vernon Davis (3 stars) last season 2012
QB Preston Dewey (3 stars) last season 2012
RB Danny Dillard (3 stars) last season 2012
DT Dequan Ivery (3 stars) last season 2012
DE Gabriel Terry (3 stars) last season 2012
QB David Thompson (3 stars) last season 2012
LB Josh Witt (3 stars) last season 2012
WR Robert Lockhart (4 stars)last season 2012
LB Jawand Blue (3 stars) last season 2013
DB Nate Dortch (3 stars) last season 2013
DE Dwayne Hoilett (3 stars) last season 2013
DB Larry Hope (3 stars) last season 2013
WR Angelo Jean-Louis(4 stars)did not qualify

2013:
QB Kevin Olsen (4 stars) last season 2013
RB Ray Lewis III (3 stars) last season 2014
LB Devante Bond (3 stars) did not qualify
WR Derrick Griffin (4 stars) did not qualify
TE Ryheem Lockley (3 stars) did not qualify

2014:
DT Calvin Heurtelou (3 stars) last season 15
OL Joe Brown last season 2015
WR Tyre Brady (3 stars) last season 2015
LB Marques Gayot (3 stars) last season 2015
DT Michael Wyche (3 stars) last season 2015
LB Juwon Young (3 stars) last season 2015
OL Tyler Grimsley (2 stars) last season 2015
DB Kiy Hester (4 stars) did not play

2015:
None

2016:
WR Sam Bruce (4 stars) last season 2016

Bottom line - UM had a very high roster churn in 2009, 2010, 2013 and 2016 has played havoc with overall depth. It's really unbelievable how many attrition has taken place in the last ten years.

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Comments

[nemo2002]

Nemo rules!

[raizecane]

No 2

[SOUP]

When you look at those lists it just SHOCKS U!

[nemo2002]

Suffice to say, "we didn't want them anyway."

[Terrance Sullivan]

Yes this is a sobering reminder of a good part of our fall from the top of the College FOOTBALL Mountaintop.

[WWIN]

Whyche was a beast at JUCO. U saw the tape. Not his fault he was in D'no's scheme. That, and getting in trouble didn't help.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | January 06, 2017 at 11:41 PM

#TrueStory

I talked to a former player tonight... he said one of Golden's faults was keeping player's in the doghouse... said he purposely didn't want Whyche to have any film to be seen.

Said D'no is really BRILLIANT...said players never could get their mind's over playing a 3-4 so they NEVER bought in. Said they believed they would still go to the league regardless. But said D'no would have the right plays called but they wouldn't execute it.

[Dude on a Pale Horse]

^^^ That could be true, but as I said a million times, if thats the case, its still on the DC having a system too complicated for him to teach at the NCAA level.

[WWIN]

He didn't say it was complicated... just said players didn't want to do it! Lol

[Dude on a Pale Horse]

If he cant get those kids to buy in... then something is wrong with him.

[Go Canes!]

Second interview with Go Canes...

SOUP: How is Mark Richt doing so far?

GO: Richt is the best coach ever at UM.

SOUP: But he still did not win the ACC division or conference?

GO: But that is not his fault. The players were bad. The depth was weak. The fans suck.

SOUP: OK, so what about next year?

GO: Well if we win the National Championship it will be because of Mark Richt. If we don't it will be because of Donald Trump.

SOUP: Why is that?

GO: Well Mark is God and Trump is not.

SOUP: Well OK then...

Posted by: HAPPY SOUP | January 06, 2017 at 11:58 PM

I'll answer those correctly any time you like, though I doubt you care enough to hear anything other than your simpleton's interpretation of things written here.

[SOUP]

OK, Go, let's give it a GO then (others can reply also if they like):

1. List the three most important areas for improvement for the UM football team in 2017?

2. On a scale of 1-10 (1 bad, 10 great) how would you rate Mark Richt's performance so far as UM head coach?

3. On his overall performance during his entire career at UM how would you rate QB Brad Kaaya using the same scale?

[Herbieibis]

Let The Herb have a crack at those 3 questions:
1. The offense needs to be more consistent. To many times during this past season Richt would push the snooze button. He needs to open it up a little more and have more creativity. Now this may not happen because of our qb situation. The o-line has to play WAY better than it did. We have to add more talent at that position and we need a little more depth of talent at wr and rb.
2. I would give Richt a 7.5. His play calling, at times, left a lot to be desired.
3.Kaaya would get a 7.5 as well. Granted he didn't turn the ball over much, but he could never help us win the big games. He couldn't move around to by time and took to many sacks. We all know the o-line was not great but he didn't help much because of those brix. Yes he will leave with some records and we would have been very good had he returned but as I've said before u can't by speed and mobility and he had neither.

[TonyCane]

If you were to look at overall roster numbers on a year by year basis, it's created depth problems at a few various points. The 2009 season - where we started 5-1 - was essentially ruined by depth problems. By the Clemson game we had a rash of injuries on a team that had somewhere around 69 scholarship players, and we did not have enough bodies to continue at the pace that we were at. So a 5-1 start ends in a 9-4 finish.

The 2012 class is amazing - to have 15 players out within two years, and ten within one year is incredible. Maybe some would not have been starters, but I also think that behind the scenes losing that number of personnel destroys leadership - i.e. installing the values of the team (work ethic, discipline) on the next inbound group of players.

[TonyCane]

I also wonder if Kayaa would have stayed if Coley had remained OC.

[BigWindyCane1]

If he cant get those kids to buy in... then something is wrong with him.

Posted by: The Dude | January 07, 2017 at 03:20 AM

I agree. The D'No recruited too many players that didn't belong here. I heard one insider say that the D'No and Golden offered recruits that were not "MIAMI-type " players, in terms of lacking the kind of athleticism and explosiveness that made the Hurricanes great. There was no quality depth for CMR in 2016, thus freshmen and transfers played a lot.

Moreover, Diaz and Kul took a defensive end (McIntosh) and tackle (Norton) in D'No's scheme and he is turning them into stars

[TonyCane]

I talked to a former player tonight... he said one of Golden's faults was keeping player's in the doghouse... said he purposely didn't want Whyche to have any film to be seen.

Said D'no is really BRILLIANT...said players never could get their mind's over playing a 3-4 so they NEVER bought in. Said they believed they would still go to the league regardless. But said D'no would have the right plays called but they wouldn't execute it.

Posted by: WWIN | January 07, 2017 at 12:35 AM

Two thought:

1) I'm not sure if that's unique to Golden. Didn't Shannon have an especially large doghouse with expansive wings built on either side of it. A certain Packer defensive player spent half of his career there.

2) D'No had five years to implement his system. By 2015 everyone on his team were HIS recruits - they should have bought in. I think the scheme was too complex, just as Pete Carroll's Seattle scheme was too complex for USC and only was fully realized with the Seahawks.

[nemo2002]

1) Offense, defense, special teams
2) 7.676
3) 8.787

[Terrance Sullivan]

1.The Team needs to improve special teams. Jersey Mike had a off year, and we didn't return enough punt returns and kickoff returns for points either touchdowns or set up field goals. We increased our scoring per game by 9 points and defense allowed 9 fewer points per game as well. 2. I give Coach Mark Right and his coaching staff a 8.25. I give Brad Kaaya 15 a 8.25.

[trianglecane]

):

1. List the three most important areas for improvement for the UM football team in 2017?

1. Offensive line has to be more consistent.
2. The oc has to play to the new qbs strenghs.
3. No sophomore slumps!

2. On a scale of 1-10 (1 bad, 10 great) how would you rate Mark Richt's performance so far as UM head coach?

I would give him an 8. Miami should not have lost to ND and NC. He seemed unwilling to change at times.

3. On his overall performance during his entire career at UM how would you rate QB Brad Kaaya using the same scale?

Statically I would give him a 10. In times that Miami needed him to take the reins and drag them to victory in would give him a 5.

Posted

[Herbieibis]

I would say Deno was a moron and should have been gone after year 3. Now for the plain truth more than half the players that left while Goldie locks was coach were defensive players, which didn't help Deno much. Maybe his schemes were to complex but it's hard to play good smart defense when u have revolving door of players, especially at LB, where every time u turned around a backer was getting the boot.
Thank Al for having the Go Nads, not to fire your bro or we we would still would be in misery!

[VA Cane]

You can look at those lists....but really...how many of those guys were really top notch quality players....not a one...where are they now...not starring in the NFL!!!! They all were really poor reaches, players who were not very good and would have made no difference at all had they stayed.

What it says is we recruit players based on the star system, instead of scouting players who are fundamentally sound, possess strong character skills, are determined to finish what they start, and were asked to play based on a first hand account witness of physical and mental skills required to play college football. They may be nice kids but they were not very good players....they are nowhere...ghosts never to be found.

1 OL has to improve; I am tired of chubby slow footed lazy sloths blocking one play and taking the next one off; pick the feet up hustle run to the block....you have to want to win, not just do ok stop being a puss....beat somebodys azz....then do it again ...hate you opponent!!!. QB...stop being scared and gunshy...develop footwork...do not throw in to coverage...speak up lead by vocal and example...Offense...pass the ball!

2 I give Richt 6.5 as a coach....the first 2 games anybody could have coached to a win....he did well in the last 5....rising 6.5!

3 6.5...he got better....needs a lot more time at QB in college...not ready for pros!

[1mg of Epi]

Richt has been a mixed bag.
Pluses: Has hired a good staff. Revamped the S&C. Raised money/facilities. Generally raised UM's profile.

Minuses: Unimaginative offense. Took too long to tailor his system to the talent.

Gotta give him a 7.5. Hard to give him a higher grade when he flushed 30% of the season being stubborn.

Kaaya is a good QB. Not great. Wasn't helped by his coaches. He gets 8.

[Dude on a Pale Horse]

1. Offensive line, obviously, special teams, need to have someone dynamic to get better field position for the O, wouldnt mind scoring on ST either, 3 overall talent across the board.

2. Richt: 8. Would have been lower if the D wasnt so filthy, nasty, mean, dominant. Great to have a dominant side of the ball again. All in all a solid year 1. Bowl win is terrific.

3. Kaaya: 8. Could be convinced of a higher or lower grade here. Kaaya is just too inconsistant for large stretches of the game. Kind of reminds me of Brock Berlin in that regard, without the big wins over rivals.

[mi@mic@ne]

no d just became the Houston Cougars head coach..it fits very well..his d will be playing like a bunch of old cougars...lmao

[Herbieibis]

Va cane, u said above we recruit players based on star power, that's the problem we have gotten to many C type players who don't have the needed fundamentals to play here and on top of that, the past coaching has been lackluster. I know we are never going to be loaded with a bunch of four and five star players but make no mistake we need our fair share if we want to be a consistent threat for the ship and the coaching to go along with it.

[1mg of Epi]

3. Kaaya: 8. Could be convinced of a higher or lower grade here. Kaaya is just too inconsistant for large stretches of the game. Kind of reminds me of Brock Berlin in that regard, without the big wins over rivals.

Posted by: The Dude | January 07, 2017 at 12:37 PM

Agree. His game is limited, he wasn't great at progressions, but I still think his coaches failed him.

[VA Cane]

Agreed Herbie; 3 stars can become 5 stars with coaching and development of skills...Ray Lewis great example.

We reach too much when we need to be able to identify sand develop talent....Butch Davis, JJ did this well...and HS!!

You have to get some 4 and 5s....but the 3s give you depth...by coaching developing....and all stars must have....and be retaught fundamentals. Herbie, I think if you win the games you should, you can get some of the 4s and 5s....and more of them...Just Win Baby!!!!

11-1 this year...a very distinct opportunity...had the O played to win instead of compete...and you get those guys...or more of them....winning turns heads, solves everything...well almost everything...and cannot HURT recruiting!!!!!

[VA Cane]

Nice stats and article Soup!

[Dude on a Pale Horse]

Another thing that Miami needs to do... one thing that really got USC in the spotlight was Pete Carroll embracing Hollywood. In my opinion Miami can do this too.

[1mg of Epi]

Another thing that Miami needs to do... one thing that really got USC in the spotlight was Pete Carroll embracing Hollywood. In my opinion Miami can do this too.

Posted by: The Dude | January 07, 2017 at 02:49 PM

Obviously your referring to Hollywood, fla. Right? Like maybe they can do a Miss 441 or miss federal highway pageant!?

Or a French Canadian speedo competition!

Or a Bagel toss?

[Herbieibis]

Speaking of Brock Berlin, put him under center he sucked but put him in the shot-gun the dude could play, especially when we were behind.

[Go Canes!]

1. Think it's too early to know the #1 thing that needs improvement. A couple of games into the season we could have a serious QB problem or be thrilled with who's under center. That aside it's the obvious, better O-line play, better play calling and for God's sake can we start a single series in the redzone without a false start?

2. I give CMR a solid 8.5. As soon as he signed his contract he gave us credibility we haven't had in years. He got Richard and Pickney to recommit and scrambled to put together a solid recruiting class.

He also took his time and hit home runs with Kool and Diaz, and overall has put together an excellent staff.

Only issue anyone can have with him, and rightfully so, was his play calling during that four game stretch. But in my opinion he righted that and we rolled to a dominant second half of the season and bowl game.

3. I give Kaaya an 8. Talked about here to death, I thought he was a very good player for us who got stuck on some pretty crappy teams. He wasn't a world beater but in a huge majority of games he did his part to get us wins.

[Dude on a Pale Horse]

That Notre Dame loss just keeps eating at me. Win that one and we got 10 wins.

[roachcane77]

Well it seems that everyone EXCEPT Go Canes! is responding, SOUP. LOL

Well #1 seems pretty unanimous... OL #1 need.
I also agree with many about ST's... too many Fair Catches on punt ST's. Need to be more dynamic.
#3 need for me is OC... offensive play calling.

CMR- 7.9. Super glad to have him back at the U! However, there were just too many conservative O calls that cost us W's.

QB BK- 7.5. Would like to give him more... he was a good leader, (and record setter), but, I concur with the masses... he cost us some W's that a more mobile QB would have carried us through. Even still, I would have wanted him to stay one more year.

Let's Go CANES!

[roachcane77]

Good to hear from you Go Canes!

[1mg of Epi]

What's the deal with this seasons class? Don't really follow recruiting but apparently things ain't looking how we wanted?

[Dude on a Pale Horse]

^^^ Still have some time Epi. And I hate, hate, hate typing this because I know better, but 2018 is looking like a legit top 10 class. The best thing about '18 is that there seems to be enthusiasm from that age group.

[Dude on a Pale Horse]

^^^ We just need to survive 2017 season and hit the ABCs.

a) Win 10 games.
b) Win the Coastal.
c) Win a bowl.

[1mg of Epi]

Lol alrighty then.

[Go Canes!]

2017 can be a Top 10 class.

Get the RB from Maryland, get the JUCO corner, get the two O-linemen from Heritage and somehow get a very good WR to hit and we will be.

Dont think any of those are a stretch.

[WWIN]

If he cant get those kids to buy in... then something is wrong with him.

Posted by: The Dude | January 07, 2017 at 03:20 AM

Not true! When people are stuck in their ways they're stuck! Some black kids don't listen to white teachers and some white kids don't listen to black teachers... not that the teachers are bad... they might be great teachers but it's the perception. Not saying that was the case just using an example for a player that wants to run a 4-3 instead of a 3-4.

These players are FANS like us...only that they get to play in the games. They love UM but they didn't like D'no! This is not the first time a player has said this... plenty of players have said it was the EXECUTION not the play calls.

[WWIN]

Posted by: TonyCane | January 07, 2017 at 10:57 AM

2) Defense wasn't bad every D'no was here tho

[HillViewCane]

Kaaya is the best QB we have had in 20 years. I will entertain arguments about Ken Dorsey who was fantastic in that he rarely made mistakes but Dorsey had an O-line that was so good that there was a period of 21 games where he was only sacked 3 times. Sacked 3 times in 21 games!!! That wasn't his quick release etc. or awareness in the pocket. It was the talent around him. Not to mention his superior OC play-calling. Brad Kaaya is the best that we have had in the referenced time frame. For each year he has been our QB I couldn't name 10 maybe even 5 qb's I would trade him for. You have to have perspective and be realistic. I read someone comparing Kaaya to Berlin? Berlin was terrible outside of the shotgun. All of the other Qbs outside of Dorsey were 1 throw away from a god-aweful interception. Dorsey was rescued by our superior receivers time and time again. Had a very weak arm but as I said didn't make many mistakes. Kaaya is the best we have had in a while and we have been damn lucky to have him. He has probably cost us a couple of games in his tenure but he is a QB it happens. Kaaya has not been our problem. I hate to imagine where we would have been without him.

[WWIN]

Our recruiting is going GREAT for what we're trying to achieve...win the ACC COASTAL! Unfortunately right now we have to take BABY STEPS! The 3☆ players we're getting now are NOT the same QUALITY of 3☆ players we use to get!

Once we take control of the coastal... we'll get these South Florida Diva's!!!

[Go Canes!]

ARIZ: Notre Dame Transfer WR Corey Holmes talks Canes

Back in 2014, St. Thomas Aquinas WR Corey Holmes shut his recruitment down and decided to sign with Notre Dame. Fast forward three years later, the once 4 Star, Under Armor All American has decided to transfer from Notre Dame and open his recruiting process back up. He talks to CanesInSight about why he decided to transfer.

"The season was OK," Holmes said. "It was my first true season being involved in the offense."

"I wish I would of saw more opportunities, but that's why I feel like I can take advantage of this opportunity of transferring and get those opportunities I wanted at Notre Dame, somewhere else."

Holmes played in 12 games for Notre Dame this season -- he had 11 receptions for 96 yards, while the opportunities weren't there for him, he explains that playing time wasn't the only factor in this decision.

"The relationship I had with the coaches --Ii felt that if I wasn't going to have a good relationship with the coaches, I wasn't going to get anywhere in my career at Notre Dame," said Holmes.

"The culture believe it or not had a big factor in my decision to transfer. I felt like my whole time there, it just wasn't a good fit for me."

Holmes was a highly ranked recruit coming out of high school, with offers from schools like Miami, Alabama, Oklahoma, USC and other, but there's only one school from the past that's still recruiting him.

"North Carolina, Miami, Marshall, Kentucky and Wake Forest are the school recruiting me right now," he said.

Being from St. Thomas Aquinas HS, the local school has always held a special place inside his heart.

"It would be a blessing," said Holmes. "It would be real nice for me to come home and play for my hometown team and wear the orange and green."

"They showed me a good amount of love coming out of high school," he added.

"I wish I would of considered them more when I was in high school and could of took a couple of visits to the campus and stuff."

While Holmes played some 2000 miles away, he has a special relationship with Miami WR coach Ron Dugans.

"What's funny about it, Coach Dugans when he was at USF actually gave me my first offer, so it's really cool that he's at Miami and there's a chance i could player for the coach that was the first to believe in my athletic abilities."

[SinisterCane]

Posted by: HillViewCane | January 07, 2017 at 03:57 PM

Would Kaaya have won the 2001 championship with Dorsey's supporting class?

Would the 2016 Canez go 8-4 under Dorsey

2014 (3) 3 93 Brandon Linder, OG Jacksonville Jaguars
6 191 Pat O'Donnell, P Chicago Bears
7 237 Seantrel Henderson, OL Buffalo Bills

2015 (7) 1 9 Ereck Flowers, OL New York Giants
1 29 Phillip Dorsett, WR Indianapolis Colts
2 48 Denzel Perryman, LB San Diego Chargers
3 68 Clive Walford, TE Oakland Raiders
3 77 Duke Johnson, RB Cleveland Browns
4 128 Jon Feliciano, OL Oakland Raiders
6 212 Anthony Chickillo, DL Pittsburgh Steelers

2016 (2) 1 25 Artie Burns, DB Pittsburgh Steelers
4 124 Deon Bush, DB Chicago

[Go Canes!]

Yes and Yes

[Dude on a Pale Horse]

Yes and No.

[Go Canes!]

Dorsey's numbers in 2001:

184-318, 57.9% passing for 2652 yards with 23 TDs and 9 INTs.

Kaaya's numbers in 2016:

261-421, 62% passing for 3532 yards with 27 TDS and 7 INTs.

Are you saying Dorsey's numbers would get better with an inferior team and Kaaya's numbers would drop with Portis, McGahee, Gore Shockey, Winslow and Andre Johnson?

[Herbieibis]

No Mr. Holmes u looked down on the u and thought u were moving to the big time but we are forgivers.
Hillviewcane, all can say is WHAT! Have u been knocking out the shine dude. U are definetly entitled to you're opinion but all The Herb can say is Wow. U and Go Canes must be bros. Kaaya is a good qb and did set a few records BUT won no big games. I would rank him 3rd maybe 4th. Now u can crash on Dorsey BUT he did win a ship and play for another, actually should of played for 3. Scott Covington would be #2, his only misgiving was having to qb us when we were mired in sanctions. #3 Brock Berlin, as I stated before, as long as he stayed in the shot gun the dude at times was unstoppable, remember the Louisville and Florida games? Kaaya #4, won no big games and was a sack waiting to happen. Now if u have the time it takes for a stop light to turn from red to green, then he was good. One more thing about Covington, he did qb us in beating #1 UCLA.