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January 07, 2017

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Go Canes!

The all time great 2001 Canes gave up 7 points or less in 8 of 12 games but dont forget they almost lost two games, both of which could have been pinned on the offense.

If not for Reed stripping his own teammate they likely lose to BC and if not for an easy 2 point conversion drop against VT they maybe lose that one as well.

In the BC game Dorsey went 20-41, 48% for 222 and 1 TD

In the VT game he went 21-44, 47% for 235 and 1 TD.

Not knocking Dorsey, just showing some on here how absurd their constant ripping of Kaaya really is.

SinisterCane

I guess Kaaya is the new Al golden. You jokers will discredit Dorsey to uplift a QB with a sub 500 record against P5 teams.

#Defendtotheend.

Go Canes!

Posted by: SinisterCane | January 07, 2017 at 06:04 PM

Or maybe you're just completely wrong.

Go Canes!

Teams, not just one player, win games Sinister. Don't know why you refuse to accept that.

SinisterCane

Not knocking Dorsey, just showing some on here how absurd their constant ripping of Kaaya really is.
Posted by: Go Canes! | January 07, 2017 at 06:04 PM

Whats absurd that you'll tear 1 faction of the team just to win an debate on who worse.

Al Golden sucks>>>>So did Butch

Worst defense ever>>>>>>>Offense played poorly

and now your new narrative:

Kaaya's average at best>>>>>>>>Dorsey would have gone 8-4 too

Go Canes!

Lol.

YOU are tearing one guy to win a debate.

YOU are making the comparisons.

YOU are the one asking the question about who's better.

YOU are ignoring Kaaya's better numbers.

YOU are the one making this into a one guy determines whether we win or lose.

Herbieibis

Go Canes, Sinister ain't wrong, U are. So what, Dorsey had a Somewhat bad game But when the game was on the line he would bring us back. The dude was a big game qb, Period! He lost 2 games in three years as a starter, well really one, after the shaft against Osu. Now yore boy Kaaya may end up being a great pro but a college qb, he was above average.

HillViewCane

Sinister I say yes and yes(more so on the second because of the o-line and oc play calling) Herbie, could you name me 10 other NCAA qbs you would trade for Kayaa in college football for each year he played? So he is at least a top 10 qb out of over 120 teams for each year he played. Regarding Covington are you forgetting that Kaaya was our QB under sanctions also? Also I was at that UCLA game, stormed the field. Edge had 300 yard rushing that game. I think UCLA may remember him more than Covington. So we have had a top 10 QB for all of Kaaya's years.Please go back and look at Brock's numbers and think of some of his god aweful interceptions. He had great moments. Hot streaks but honestly he was the weak link on his teams. But he did beat the gators :-) So I will always be greatful for that. I just don't get the Kaaya hate. He has had some terrible coaching. His losses this year had some bad OC olay calling which is what CMR referred to regarding kicking himself over some play calling. You can always be better but the hate that has been expressed for him just personally rubs me as unjustified. In defense of Dorsey regarding the stats in some ways his numbers are deflated because he only played a few 3rd and 4th quarters in 2001. However that team was so unbelievably stacked it wasn't fair and he wasn't the strongest part of that team. However he was a great fit. I loved him. I just think Kaaya is better. However I can truly understand how people think Dorsey was better.Sometimes though a better player has less championships than and inferior player. Especially in a team game. Think of any team sport. It's just life.

Go Canes!

No I'm not.

The 2001 team won because they are an all time team, the greatest in history without an iota of a doubt.

Dorsey was a big part of of that.

But they didn't win or lose because of one player. When one part of the team didn't perform at peak level (BC and VT) the other picked them up.

That's what makes a great team.

That's why they won. I just showed you two examples of it you are choosing to ignore.

This obsession some of you have of making it about ONE guy is so ridiculous it's not worth talking about.

Herbieibis

Hill view, not the kind of sanctions Butch's teams had to endure. What, 30 ships lost in 3 years. We lost 9 during Kaaya tenure.
It irks The Herb that he has to reach back into the archives and defend players that Kaaya couldn't hold their Jock. My all time favorite qb is Walsh, what do u day about him? He lost one game and that was a shaft job against The Irish. All I can say about Dorsey and Walsh is ice water. Drink it sometime and you'll know what it feels like.

SinisterCane

Posted by: Go Canes! | January 07, 2017 at 06:30 PM

That ONE guy is the most important player on the team.

Most bloggers would retract this "Kaaya is the same or better QB than Dorsey" with a simple Kaaya 0-3 vs Dorsey 3-0 vs FSU but not you! Lol and you keep bringing up Dorsey's Oline like Kaaya a plug and play QB that would have had the same success:0 half of Kaaya's sacks have come from holding on onto the ball way too long and no pocket awarness

CaneRock

With better coaching, QBs that I'm familiar with that I'll take over Kaaya:

Blake Bortles
Carson Weintz
Dak Prescott
Paxton Lynch
Cardale Jones
Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
Teddy Bridgewater

RCCF

Hillview....Spot On

These dudes know squat and find anything possible to whine about but yet aren't 12%
(Believe we'll be undefeated Every Year)..
Great Write up and you are correct. Kaaya is the best we've had and ppl act like Dorsey was a Star around Nobodies when the exact Flupside can be argued. Dorsey didn't have an arm or legs.

Dorsey was saved more than a lot by talent than ppl act as if they don't remember. Kaaya did more with waaaaaaaaaaay less. The kid deserves his credit..

SinisterCane

Posted by: RCCF | January 07, 2017 at 07:01 PM

Kaaya should fit right in with tha Bear franchise

You discredit Dorsey while giving Kaaya credit for actually what?????????????????????

HillViewCane

Herbie,

I started may statement with QB in past 20 years. Walsh isn't in that frame. Loved him though.

If you don't want to put in the effort to research support for your positions to defend your point that's not on me. I am open to learn knew things but you gotta make an effort to teach and not just throw out random statements about ice water. However we can probably agree ice water is awesome.

Go Canes!

Somehow you've managed to turn this from a difference of opinion to trashing or discrediting.

It's neither.

HillViewCane

CaneRock I appreciate the effort however those guys were different years. My question was take each Kaaya year and pick 10 better qbs. 10 for each year. If you look at that QB was not our weak link. He has been a top QB in college football. Not the best but top 10 approximately. People have been acting like Kaaya is a bum...not that he could do better but that he is a bum. That's just not true.

Herbieibis

Can't argue with ignorance. Rccf aren't u a Jabony Harris lover. The all time anti Cane qb! Never saw a colored jersey he didn't want to throw the ball too? That 12% bus must of had a wreck if u think Kaaya is our best qb. I'll say this, in the last 20 years, he's better than J. Harris, R. Marve, Derrick Crudup, Morris and Wright, if that makes u feel better.

nemo2002

A FEW THINGS I HATE ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL RECRUITING
1) The DEAD period.
2) Highly recruited HS football players who commit elsewhere after saying that Miami was their DREAM SCHOOL.
3) Reading about the top-rated recruits in the country who orally commit to the top-rated teams in the country (rather than the U).
4) Local kids who spurn the U in favor of Big 10 and SEC schools.
5) Losing again to FSU on NSD.
6) REFUSENIKS (bloggers who refuse to acknowledge that STARS MATTER).

CaneRock

Harris & Morris didn't need a bowl win to win 9 games...and neither ever looked like they wanted to fold up at the sleightest hint of adversity...helluva Heimlich Manuever Richt pulled off in the bowl game.

Wish em' well at the next level, but I'm glad He's gone, same way some of ya'll were glad that Harris & Morris were gone.

Au Revoir Felicia.

NEXXXXXT!!!

1mg of Epi

Kaaya will get drafted higher than Dorsey was.

1mg of Epi

Dorsey and kaaya were both limited. Where kaaya has an arm, Dorsey had smarts and leadership. Neither of em are all timers.

SinisterCane

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 07, 2017 at 07:41 PM

Dorsey still threw bombs to WR's in stride. Kaaya not so much.

1mg you stated Dorsey had smarts and leadership, what does Kaaya have?

1mg of Epi

Kaaya has the stronger arm, or at least that's my recollection of Dorsey

CaneRock

Dorsey was an all timer. UM fans will always remember 38-2, including a NC...but most of em' couldn't recite Kaaya's stats for $1M. Time to move on from mediocrity...ready for the future.

Herbieibis

When it comes to ships u can call them all timers. I could give a rats azz what they do in the pro', although it makes the U look better, it's about wins and ships, something sum of u have long forgotten about!

1mg of Epi

Missing my point. In terms of QBing skill and physical talent, neither of these guys will be remembered outside of Miami. In fact, kaaya won't be remembered any more than jacory. JAG.

Dorsey rode with the best CFB team ever, and won a ship, so he will be remembered here... but he had an all star team.

this is a stupid argument.

TonyCane

Rankings the QBs since Dorsey left

1. Berlin
2. Kayaa
3. Morris
4. Harris
5. Wright
6. Marve
7. Rozier
8. Freeman

Herbieibis

U are right it is a stupid argument and The Herb can't believe he has stiff fingers from typing these messages but the bottom lines are ships and their is no misunderstanding when u talk about the qb's who engineered these machines. Kaaya engineered what? I could say the same thing about Kyle Wright.

HillViewCane

Herbie,

Yes the bottom line when evaluating how good a player was is the amount of championships they won. Which is why everyone thinks Robbert Horry is better than Michael Jordan and Barry Sanders was a bum...

Also Bryan Fortray is better than Kaaya based on your position...

Go Canes!

By the logic used here Bob Griese is the best Dolphin QB ever. You know, cause ships are all that matters.

This is a ridiculous discussion, honestly.

HillViewCane

Let's not forget Kriby Freeman won a bowl game lol.

CaneRock

#ByeFelicia...NEXXXXXXT!

CaneRock

And honestly, there's not one game Kaaya won that Heaps or Rosier couldn't have won.

Future so bright I gotta where shades...NEXXXXXT!

RCCF

It's amazing how nobody wants to credit all the All Pros Dorsey played around as opposed that of Kaaya and Harris who put up better numbers than Dorsey. Dorsey is the ultimate winner take nothing away from him. But you gotta be a Pure Idiot to believe he is a Better QB than ppl who had less. That's just regular logic.

1mg of Epi

It's amazing how nobody wants to credit all the All Pros Dorsey played around as opposed that of Kaaya and Harris who put up better numbers than Dorsey. Dorsey is the ultimate winner take nothing away from him. But you gotta be a Pure Idiot to believe he is a Better QB than ppl who had less. That's just regular logic.

Posted by: RCCF | January 07, 2017 at 09:03 PM

Don't forget, Kaaya had some damn good talent too.

CaneRock

So Kaaya was never surrounded by talent? I guess all those offensive players that got drafted in 2015, including 2 1st Rounders, was a figment of my imagination.

1mg of Epi

Kaaya didn't have a talent problem, his or his team, he had a coaching problem. Even when he had a decent offensive system, the defensive staff betrayed him.

Go Canes!

Posted by: CaneRock | January 07, 2017 at 09:02 PM

This is a preposterous position to take based on 1 1/2 games the guy played in.

Because as well as he played in that Duke game, he played equally terrible against Clemson.

Say what you want about Kaaya, in his entire career he never threw up a 7-22 for 42 yards and 2 INTs in a game like Rosier did against Clemson.

I'm not saying he isn't capable. I hope he is. But that position is a massive, massive assumption.

SinisterCane

Ken Dorsey is a CANEZ Legend and I would bet the house that if we Ken on this years team the CANEZ wouldn't any stinkin' 8-4

SinisterCane

Go Canes

Since you love bringing up Dorsey's olines

Out of Brad or Ken who would have fared better against in the Fiesta Bowl vs OSU's pass rush while losing Willis Mcgahee

WWIN

Dorsey did have better talent around him but that team was the BEST TEAM EVER so he played with more talent then ANYBODY EVER!

But to act like Kaaya played with SCRUB'S is absurd! He's played with NFL talent EVERY YEAR he was here. All he's had to do was complete passes to OPEN WR's...sometimes he did and sometimes they needed a ladder!

Go Canes!

Posted by: SinisterCane | January 07, 2017 at 09:22 PM

Don't know.

But Kaaya played this entire season and a lot of his career under a ton of pressure and put up pretty good numbers so I'll assume he'd have done well.

HillViewCane

WWIN, question in the past 20 years where do you rank Kaaya amongst our QBs? Do you think he is a bum?

HillViewCane

How many games can anyone think of when Kaaaya has been our biggest problem? Maybe 3 in 3 years if that. Seriously.

HillViewCane

I don't hold it against anyone where you rank him in the past 20 years, that's more of a surface level curiousity for me. You are entitled to your opinion on that but I don't like to see anyone bashed unfairly. Kaaya has not been our problem during his tenure.

TonyCane

True CaneRock, although the quality of coordinators that Kayaa had was probably significantly less than Dorsey. Bottom line, we will never know how good Kayaa could have been under optimal circumsnstances.

SOUP

3. On his overall performance during his entire career at UM how would you rate QB Brad Kaaya using the same scale?

Statically I would give him a 10. In times that Miami needed him to take the reins and drag them to victory in would give him a 5.

Posted by: trianglecane | January 07, 2017 at 11:54 AM

There IT is right there.

SOUP

Bottom line, we will never know how good Kayaa could have been under optimal circumsnstances.

Posted by: TonyCane | January 07, 2017 at 10:09 PM

To be completely fair I believe this is also TRUE.

WWIN

Posted by: HillViewCane | January 07, 2017 at 09:48 PM

Kaaya's the best QB since Dorsey IMO...but I'd take Dorsey over Kaaya.

Kaaya has better physical talent but Dorsey was a leader and had the IT factor. IT factor wins over SKILLS all day!

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