Here's a complete breakdown of players who transferred out, did not qualify, and were removed from the Hurricanes within two seasons for each class:
2002:
QB Marc Guillon (4 stars) last year 2003
TE Curtis Justus (4 stars) last year 2003
DE John Wood (4 stars) last year 2002
DB Terrell Walden (4 stars) did not qualify
LB Nate Harris (4 stars) did not qualify
RB J.R Mounts (4 stars) did not qualify
LB Antonio Reynolds(3 stars) did not qualify
2003:
DE Alton Wright (3 stars) Last year 2004
LB Ali Highsmith (3 stars) did not qualify
2004:
RB Bobby Washington (4 stars) last year 2004
OL Tyler McMeans (5 stars) last year 2004
OL John St. Pierre (2 stars) last year 2005
DB Rashaun Jones (3 stars) last year 2005
DB Lovon Ponder (4 stars) last year 2005
LB Willie Williams (5 stars) last year 2005
OL Josh Kerr (2 stars) did not qualify
TE Cedric Hill (2 stars) did not qualify
2005:
None
2006:
WR George Robinson (2 stars) last season '06
DE Chris Lewis (3 stars) last season 2006
DT Chaz Washington (3 stars) last season '06
QB Daniel Stegall (2 stars) went to baseball
2007:
DB Doug Wiggins (4 stars) last season 2007
TE Dan Adderley (2 stars) last season 2008
RB Shawnbrey McNeal (3 stars)last season '08
DT Chris Perry (3 stars) last season 2008
QB Robert Marve (4 stars) last season 2008
WR Jermaine McKenzie (4 stars)last season 08
2008:
QB Taylor Cook (2 stars) last season 2008
LB Zach Kane (2 stars) last season 2008
LB Brandon Marti (2 stars) last season 2008
LB Gavin Hardin (3 stars) last season 2008
LB Antonio Harper (3 stars) last season 2008
QB Cannon Smith (3 stars) last season 2008
DB Joe Wylie (3 stars) last season 2008
WR Thearon Collier (3 stars) last season '09
LB Arthur Brown (5 stars) last season 2009
LB C.J. Odom (2 stars) did not qualify
2009:
TE Stephen Plein (2 stars) last season 2009
DB Jamal Reid (4 stars) last season 2009
DB Prince Kent (3 stars) did not qualify
2010:
LB Travis Williams (4 stars) last season '10
DT Jeffery Brown (2 stars) last season 2010
OL Jermaine Barton (3 stars) last season '10
DB Devont'a Davis (3 stars) last season '10
LB Kevin Nelson (3 stars) last season 2010
RB Storm Johnson (4 stars) last season 2010
RB Darion Hall (3 stars) last season 2011
DB Keion Payne (3 stars) last season 2011
DE Andrew Tallman (3 stars) last season 2011
DT Tavadis Glenn (4 stars) did not qualify
WR Jeremy Davis (3 stars) did not qualify
DT Delmar Taylor (3 stars) did not qualify
2011:
DE Jalen Grimble (4 stars) last season 2012
DB Thomas Finnie (3 stars) last season 2012
LB Eddie Johnson (3 stars) last season 2012
LB Gionni Paul (3 stars) last season 2012
DE Ricardo Williams (3 stars)last season '12
LB Antonio Kinard (3 stars) did not qualify
RB Kevin Grooms (3 stars) did not qualify
2012:
DT Jacoby Briscoe (3 stars) last season 2012
WR Jontavious Carter (3 stars)last season'12
DB Vernon Davis (3 stars) last season 2012
QB Preston Dewey (3 stars) last season 2012
RB Danny Dillard (3 stars) last season 2012
DT Dequan Ivery (3 stars) last season 2012
DE Gabriel Terry (3 stars) last season 2012
QB David Thompson (3 stars) last season 2012
LB Josh Witt (3 stars) last season 2012
WR Robert Lockhart (4 stars)last season 2012
LB Jawand Blue (3 stars) last season 2013
DB Nate Dortch (3 stars) last season 2013
DE Dwayne Hoilett (3 stars) last season 2013
DB Larry Hope (3 stars) last season 2013
WR Angelo Jean-Louis(4 stars)did not qualify
2013:
QB Kevin Olsen (4 stars) last season 2013
RB Ray Lewis III (3 stars) last season 2014
LB Devante Bond (3 stars) did not qualify
WR Derrick Griffin (4 stars) did not qualify
TE Ryheem Lockley (3 stars) did not qualify
2014:
DT Calvin Heurtelou (3 stars) last season 15
OL Joe Brown last season 2015
WR Tyre Brady (3 stars) last season 2015
LB Marques Gayot (3 stars) last season 2015
DT Michael Wyche (3 stars) last season 2015
LB Juwon Young (3 stars) last season 2015
OL Tyler Grimsley (2 stars) last season 2015
DB Kiy Hester (4 stars) did not play
2015:
None
2016:
WR Sam Bruce (4 stars) last season 2016
Bottom line - UM had a very high roster churn in 2009, 2010, 2013 and 2016 has played havoc with overall depth. It's really unbelievable how many attrition has taken place in the last ten years.
The all time great 2001 Canes gave up 7 points or less in 8 of 12 games but dont forget they almost lost two games, both of which could have been pinned on the offense.
If not for Reed stripping his own teammate they likely lose to BC and if not for an easy 2 point conversion drop against VT they maybe lose that one as well.
In the BC game Dorsey went 20-41, 48% for 222 and 1 TD
In the VT game he went 21-44, 47% for 235 and 1 TD.
Not knocking Dorsey, just showing some on here how absurd their constant ripping of Kaaya really is.
Posted by: Go Canes! | January 07, 2017 at 06:04 PM
I guess Kaaya is the new Al golden. You jokers will discredit Dorsey to uplift a QB with a sub 500 record against P5 teams.
#Defendtotheend.
Posted by: SinisterCane | January 07, 2017 at 06:04 PM
Posted by: SinisterCane | January 07, 2017 at 06:04 PM
Or maybe you're just completely wrong.
Posted by: Go Canes! | January 07, 2017 at 06:04 PM
Teams, not just one player, win games Sinister. Don't know why you refuse to accept that.
Posted by: Go Canes! | January 07, 2017 at 06:10 PM
Not knocking Dorsey, just showing some on here how absurd their constant ripping of Kaaya really is.
Posted by: Go Canes! | January 07, 2017 at 06:04 PM
Whats absurd that you'll tear 1 faction of the team just to win an debate on who worse.
Al Golden sucks>>>>So did Butch
Worst defense ever>>>>>>>Offense played poorly
and now your new narrative:
Kaaya's average at best>>>>>>>>Dorsey would have gone 8-4 too
Posted by: SinisterCane | January 07, 2017 at 06:10 PM
Lol.
YOU are tearing one guy to win a debate.
YOU are making the comparisons.
YOU are the one asking the question about who's better.
YOU are ignoring Kaaya's better numbers.
YOU are the one making this into a one guy determines whether we win or lose.
Posted by: Go Canes! | January 07, 2017 at 06:15 PM
Go Canes, Sinister ain't wrong, U are. So what, Dorsey had a Somewhat bad game But when the game was on the line he would bring us back. The dude was a big game qb, Period! He lost 2 games in three years as a starter, well really one, after the shaft against Osu. Now yore boy Kaaya may end up being a great pro but a college qb, he was above average.
Posted by: Herbieibis | January 07, 2017 at 06:21 PM
Sinister I say yes and yes(more so on the second because of the o-line and oc play calling) Herbie, could you name me 10 other NCAA qbs you would trade for Kayaa in college football for each year he played? So he is at least a top 10 qb out of over 120 teams for each year he played. Regarding Covington are you forgetting that Kaaya was our QB under sanctions also? Also I was at that UCLA game, stormed the field. Edge had 300 yard rushing that game. I think UCLA may remember him more than Covington. So we have had a top 10 QB for all of Kaaya's years.Please go back and look at Brock's numbers and think of some of his god aweful interceptions. He had great moments. Hot streaks but honestly he was the weak link on his teams. But he did beat the gators :-) So I will always be greatful for that. I just don't get the Kaaya hate. He has had some terrible coaching. His losses this year had some bad OC olay calling which is what CMR referred to regarding kicking himself over some play calling. You can always be better but the hate that has been expressed for him just personally rubs me as unjustified. In defense of Dorsey regarding the stats in some ways his numbers are deflated because he only played a few 3rd and 4th quarters in 2001. However that team was so unbelievably stacked it wasn't fair and he wasn't the strongest part of that team. However he was a great fit. I loved him. I just think Kaaya is better. However I can truly understand how people think Dorsey was better.Sometimes though a better player has less championships than and inferior player. Especially in a team game. Think of any team sport. It's just life.
Posted by: HillViewCane | January 07, 2017 at 06:28 PM
No I'm not.
The 2001 team won because they are an all time team, the greatest in history without an iota of a doubt.
Dorsey was a big part of of that.
But they didn't win or lose because of one player. When one part of the team didn't perform at peak level (BC and VT) the other picked them up.
That's what makes a great team.
That's why they won. I just showed you two examples of it you are choosing to ignore.
This obsession some of you have of making it about ONE guy is so ridiculous it's not worth talking about.
Posted by: Go Canes! | January 07, 2017 at 06:30 PM
Hill view, not the kind of sanctions Butch's teams had to endure. What, 30 ships lost in 3 years. We lost 9 during Kaaya tenure.
It irks The Herb that he has to reach back into the archives and defend players that Kaaya couldn't hold their Jock. My all time favorite qb is Walsh, what do u day about him? He lost one game and that was a shaft job against The Irish. All I can say about Dorsey and Walsh is ice water. Drink it sometime and you'll know what it feels like.
Posted by: Herbieibis | January 07, 2017 at 06:52 PM
Posted by: Go Canes! | January 07, 2017 at 06:30 PM
That ONE guy is the most important player on the team.
Most bloggers would retract this "Kaaya is the same or better QB than Dorsey" with a simple Kaaya 0-3 vs Dorsey 3-0 vs FSU but not you! Lol and you keep bringing up Dorsey's Oline like Kaaya a plug and play QB that would have had the same success:0 half of Kaaya's sacks have come from holding on onto the ball way too long and no pocket awarness
Posted by: SinisterCane | January 07, 2017 at 06:58 PM
With better coaching, QBs that I'm familiar with that I'll take over Kaaya:
Blake Bortles
Carson Weintz
Dak Prescott
Paxton Lynch
Cardale Jones
Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
Teddy Bridgewater
Posted by: CaneRock | January 07, 2017 at 07:00 PM
Hillview....Spot On
These dudes know squat and find anything possible to whine about but yet aren't 12%
(Believe we'll be undefeated Every Year)..
Great Write up and you are correct. Kaaya is the best we've had and ppl act like Dorsey was a Star around Nobodies when the exact Flupside can be argued. Dorsey didn't have an arm or legs.
Dorsey was saved more than a lot by talent than ppl act as if they don't remember. Kaaya did more with waaaaaaaaaaay less. The kid deserves his credit..
Posted by: RCCF | January 07, 2017 at 07:01 PM
Posted by: RCCF | January 07, 2017 at 07:01 PM
Kaaya should fit right in with tha Bear franchise
You discredit Dorsey while giving Kaaya credit for actually what?????????????????????
Posted by: SinisterCane | January 07, 2017 at 07:07 PM
Herbie,
I started may statement with QB in past 20 years. Walsh isn't in that frame. Loved him though.
If you don't want to put in the effort to research support for your positions to defend your point that's not on me. I am open to learn knew things but you gotta make an effort to teach and not just throw out random statements about ice water. However we can probably agree ice water is awesome.
Posted by: HillViewCane | January 07, 2017 at 07:14 PM
Somehow you've managed to turn this from a difference of opinion to trashing or discrediting.
It's neither.
Posted by: Go Canes! | January 07, 2017 at 07:16 PM
CaneRock I appreciate the effort however those guys were different years. My question was take each Kaaya year and pick 10 better qbs. 10 for each year. If you look at that QB was not our weak link. He has been a top QB in college football. Not the best but top 10 approximately. People have been acting like Kaaya is a bum...not that he could do better but that he is a bum. That's just not true.
Posted by: HillViewCane | January 07, 2017 at 07:21 PM
Can't argue with ignorance. Rccf aren't u a Jabony Harris lover. The all time anti Cane qb! Never saw a colored jersey he didn't want to throw the ball too? That 12% bus must of had a wreck if u think Kaaya is our best qb. I'll say this, in the last 20 years, he's better than J. Harris, R. Marve, Derrick Crudup, Morris and Wright, if that makes u feel better.
Posted by: Herbieibis | January 07, 2017 at 07:23 PM
A FEW THINGS I HATE ABOUT COLLEGE FOOTBALL RECRUITING
1) The DEAD period.
2) Highly recruited HS football players who commit elsewhere after saying that Miami was their DREAM SCHOOL.
3) Reading about the top-rated recruits in the country who orally commit to the top-rated teams in the country (rather than the U).
4) Local kids who spurn the U in favor of Big 10 and SEC schools.
5) Losing again to FSU on NSD.
6) REFUSENIKS (bloggers who refuse to acknowledge that STARS MATTER).
Posted by: nemo2002 | January 07, 2017 at 07:26 PM
Harris & Morris didn't need a bowl win to win 9 games...and neither ever looked like they wanted to fold up at the sleightest hint of adversity...helluva Heimlich Manuever Richt pulled off in the bowl game.
Wish em' well at the next level, but I'm glad He's gone, same way some of ya'll were glad that Harris & Morris were gone.
Au Revoir Felicia.
NEXXXXXT!!!
Posted by: CaneRock | January 07, 2017 at 07:36 PM
Kaaya will get drafted higher than Dorsey was.
Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 07, 2017 at 07:38 PM
Dorsey and kaaya were both limited. Where kaaya has an arm, Dorsey had smarts and leadership. Neither of em are all timers.
Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 07, 2017 at 07:41 PM
Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 07, 2017 at 07:41 PM
Dorsey still threw bombs to WR's in stride. Kaaya not so much.
1mg you stated Dorsey had smarts and leadership, what does Kaaya have?
Posted by: SinisterCane | January 07, 2017 at 07:48 PM
Kaaya has the stronger arm, or at least that's my recollection of Dorsey
Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 07, 2017 at 07:49 PM
Dorsey was an all timer. UM fans will always remember 38-2, including a NC...but most of em' couldn't recite Kaaya's stats for $1M. Time to move on from mediocrity...ready for the future.
Posted by: CaneRock | January 07, 2017 at 07:50 PM
When it comes to ships u can call them all timers. I could give a rats azz what they do in the pro', although it makes the U look better, it's about wins and ships, something sum of u have long forgotten about!
Posted by: Herbieibis | January 07, 2017 at 07:55 PM
Missing my point. In terms of QBing skill and physical talent, neither of these guys will be remembered outside of Miami. In fact, kaaya won't be remembered any more than jacory. JAG.
Dorsey rode with the best CFB team ever, and won a ship, so he will be remembered here... but he had an all star team.
this is a stupid argument.
Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 07, 2017 at 08:01 PM
Rankings the QBs since Dorsey left
1. Berlin
2. Kayaa
3. Morris
4. Harris
5. Wright
6. Marve
7. Rozier
8. Freeman
Posted by: TonyCane | January 07, 2017 at 08:14 PM
U are right it is a stupid argument and The Herb can't believe he has stiff fingers from typing these messages but the bottom lines are ships and their is no misunderstanding when u talk about the qb's who engineered these machines. Kaaya engineered what? I could say the same thing about Kyle Wright.
Posted by: Herbieibis | January 07, 2017 at 08:14 PM
Herbie,
Yes the bottom line when evaluating how good a player was is the amount of championships they won. Which is why everyone thinks Robbert Horry is better than Michael Jordan and Barry Sanders was a bum...
Also Bryan Fortray is better than Kaaya based on your position...
Posted by: HillViewCane | January 07, 2017 at 08:30 PM
By the logic used here Bob Griese is the best Dolphin QB ever. You know, cause ships are all that matters.
This is a ridiculous discussion, honestly.
Posted by: Go Canes! | January 07, 2017 at 08:32 PM
Let's not forget Kriby Freeman won a bowl game lol.
Posted by: HillViewCane | January 07, 2017 at 08:33 PM
#ByeFelicia...NEXXXXXXT!
Posted by: CaneRock | January 07, 2017 at 08:51 PM
And honestly, there's not one game Kaaya won that Heaps or Rosier couldn't have won.
Future so bright I gotta where shades...NEXXXXXT!
Posted by: CaneRock | January 07, 2017 at 09:02 PM
It's amazing how nobody wants to credit all the All Pros Dorsey played around as opposed that of Kaaya and Harris who put up better numbers than Dorsey. Dorsey is the ultimate winner take nothing away from him. But you gotta be a Pure Idiot to believe he is a Better QB than ppl who had less. That's just regular logic.
Posted by: RCCF | January 07, 2017 at 09:03 PM
It's amazing how nobody wants to credit all the All Pros Dorsey played around as opposed that of Kaaya and Harris who put up better numbers than Dorsey. Dorsey is the ultimate winner take nothing away from him. But you gotta be a Pure Idiot to believe he is a Better QB than ppl who had less. That's just regular logic.
Posted by: RCCF | January 07, 2017 at 09:03 PM
Don't forget, Kaaya had some damn good talent too.
Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 07, 2017 at 09:08 PM
So Kaaya was never surrounded by talent? I guess all those offensive players that got drafted in 2015, including 2 1st Rounders, was a figment of my imagination.
Posted by: CaneRock | January 07, 2017 at 09:08 PM
Kaaya didn't have a talent problem, his or his team, he had a coaching problem. Even when he had a decent offensive system, the defensive staff betrayed him.
Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 07, 2017 at 09:11 PM
Posted by: CaneRock | January 07, 2017 at 09:02 PM
This is a preposterous position to take based on 1 1/2 games the guy played in.
Because as well as he played in that Duke game, he played equally terrible against Clemson.
Say what you want about Kaaya, in his entire career he never threw up a 7-22 for 42 yards and 2 INTs in a game like Rosier did against Clemson.
I'm not saying he isn't capable. I hope he is. But that position is a massive, massive assumption.
Posted by: Go Canes! | January 07, 2017 at 09:13 PM
Ken Dorsey is a CANEZ Legend and I would bet the house that if we Ken on this years team the CANEZ wouldn't any stinkin' 8-4
Posted by: SinisterCane | January 07, 2017 at 09:13 PM
Go Canes
Since you love bringing up Dorsey's olines
Out of Brad or Ken who would have fared better against in the Fiesta Bowl vs OSU's pass rush while losing Willis Mcgahee
Posted by: SinisterCane | January 07, 2017 at 09:22 PM
Dorsey did have better talent around him but that team was the BEST TEAM EVER so he played with more talent then ANYBODY EVER!
But to act like Kaaya played with SCRUB'S is absurd! He's played with NFL talent EVERY YEAR he was here. All he's had to do was complete passes to OPEN WR's...sometimes he did and sometimes they needed a ladder!
Posted by: WWIN | January 07, 2017 at 09:32 PM
Posted by: SinisterCane | January 07, 2017 at 09:22 PM
Don't know.
But Kaaya played this entire season and a lot of his career under a ton of pressure and put up pretty good numbers so I'll assume he'd have done well.
Posted by: Go Canes! | January 07, 2017 at 09:48 PM
WWIN, question in the past 20 years where do you rank Kaaya amongst our QBs? Do you think he is a bum?
Posted by: HillViewCane | January 07, 2017 at 09:48 PM
How many games can anyone think of when Kaaaya has been our biggest problem? Maybe 3 in 3 years if that. Seriously.
Posted by: HillViewCane | January 07, 2017 at 09:50 PM
I don't hold it against anyone where you rank him in the past 20 years, that's more of a surface level curiousity for me. You are entitled to your opinion on that but I don't like to see anyone bashed unfairly. Kaaya has not been our problem during his tenure.
Posted by: HillViewCane | January 07, 2017 at 09:53 PM
True CaneRock, although the quality of coordinators that Kayaa had was probably significantly less than Dorsey. Bottom line, we will never know how good Kayaa could have been under optimal circumsnstances.
Posted by: TonyCane | January 07, 2017 at 10:09 PM
3. On his overall performance during his entire career at UM how would you rate QB Brad Kaaya using the same scale?
Statically I would give him a 10. In times that Miami needed him to take the reins and drag them to victory in would give him a 5.
Posted by: trianglecane | January 07, 2017 at 11:54 AM
There IT is right there.
Posted by: SOUP | January 07, 2017 at 10:31 PM
Bottom line, we will never know how good Kayaa could have been under optimal circumsnstances.
Posted by: TonyCane | January 07, 2017 at 10:09 PM
To be completely fair I believe this is also TRUE.
Posted by: SOUP | January 07, 2017 at 10:32 PM
Posted by: HillViewCane | January 07, 2017 at 09:48 PM
Kaaya's the best QB since Dorsey IMO...but I'd take Dorsey over Kaaya.
Kaaya has better physical talent but Dorsey was a leader and had the IT factor. IT factor wins over SKILLS all day!
Posted by: WWIN | January 07, 2017 at 10:53 PM