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Terrance Sullivan

Give me consistent Top 15 classes with limited early departures to NFL, limited transfers. And we winning titles. What you don't want is falling back into top 40 classes or having top 15-20 classes but losing a gang of the classes to transfers, non qualifiers, etc. Basically what has happened to us over last decade.

86Cane

NEW BLOG IS UP!

nemo2002

Here is a simple question for the "star naysayers" (and anyone else who wants to render an informed opinion):

Would you rather have a top 5 recruiting class or a top 15 recruiting class (and why)?

Go Canes!

Wow: https://twitter.com/ralphdrussoap/status/827247219342528512

86Cane

How many transfers do you guys expect between now and Spring? Fall?

WWIN

Posted by: nemo2002 | February 02, 2017 at 11:32 AM

Stop embarrassing and read the facts! Talking about depth...how many players do you actually think are used in each game??? I'm sure you think 85 right? πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Look at our recruiting classes this past 5yrs...worse than what we are doing now and look at how my NFL players came from it...and you mean to tell me that we have to finish in the top 3 in recruiting to compete again??? If we get two more classes like the past two we just got we'll be where we supposed to be! WITHOUT A #1 RANKED CLASS!

Go Canes!

It all matters.

Coaching, players, scheme, injuries, grades and facilities.

Look at the recruiting rankings I posted earlier. We've underachieved but there are programs who for years have it all and haven't done shi*t.

This is the best combination of everything above we've had in forever.

1mg Of epi

^^^ exactly

AfriCane

Oh my bad! We lost two blue choppers in AQM & Grace.

AfriCane

Anybody who discounts the value of coaching should take a look at the 2016 cane D vs 2015 cane D

Posted by: 1mg Of epi | February 02, 2017 at 01:53 PM

TouchΓ©!!!! Well said! Literally the same players and different results.

1mg Of epi

Anybody who discounts the value of coaching should take a look at the 2016 cane D vs 2015 cane D

1mg Of epi

Posted by: CaneRock | February 02, 2017 at 12:41 PM

It ain't 1985 anymore. U can't just count on your players being faster and stronger. Forget about the fact that talented players don't just go to a handful of schools anymore. The good strategic coaches can create matchup advantages. Does anybody think UVA ever had more talent than UM... or VT... or.. or ... or

CaneRock

apparently you are unfamiliar with the concept of DEPTH - something we haven't had a lot of in recent years. And as another poster aptly noted on this site, NFL draftees in the first round are heavily represented by players who were five star recruits in college.

Posted by: nemo2002 | February 02, 2017 at 11:32 AM

And apparently you were in a coma in 2014. Let me get you up to speed...we went 6-7 with 7 NFL draft picks, including 2 first rounders.

I agree that it's hard to win "big" without talent, but you can also lose with talent, that's coaching.

Ohio_Cane

Thomas' 4.3 was laser timed at The Opening. Just like the Combine. College and HS coaches usually hand time, which can be off

Dude on a Pale Horse

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | February 02, 2017 at 09:59 AM

I dont buy any of the height, weight or 40 stuff until they get on campus, and even then I have my doubts until the combine. So funny to see a 6'5" college QB end up at 6'3" at the combine. Funny how many guys run 4.3 in college, but only 4.5 at the combine.

Go Canes!

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18586725/alabama-crimson-tide-florida-state-seminoles-remain-top-2017-way-too-early-top-25-national-signing-day?ex_cid=espntw&sf54120267=1

1mg Of epi

Nemo... u forget we've been losing to teams less talented across the whole roster

nemo2002

Yes! Hell...we've been producing just as many NFL players as ANYBODY these last 5yrs and we've been down! What do you think is going to happen when we add good coaching to that formula???

Posted by: WWIN | February 01, 2017 at 11:50 PM

WWIN, apparently you are unfamiliar with the concept of DEPTH - something we haven't had a lot of in recent years. And as another poster aptly noted on this site, NFL draftees in the first round are heavily represented by players who were five star recruits in college.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Everyone knows that the teams with the most top talent are the teams most likely to compete at the highest level. Great players make good coaches a lot easier than good coaches make players great. Good coaches with inferior talent can only do so much when competing against teams with superior talent. Like Jimmy Johnson used to say, "you can't teach speed". And as CMR first asked when he arrived at UM, "where are the big guys?"
STARS MATTER. Star DENIERS? Not so much.

1mg Of epi

It's definitely top10... Clemson w fewer 300 recruits and fewer recruits overall is ranked higher than we are. I believe we have more 300 recruits than anybody not in the top 10.

The clas made us better.

Go Canes!

Top 10

Go Canes!

No one player, coach, hit or miss can go towards defining recruiting and recruiting classes.

Bagmen, girlfriends, best friends, parents, coaches, uniforms, co-eds, want to stay close, want to get away, depth charts, idols and so on all influence an individual recruit.

We have to look at the total body of work and it's 10 caliber with no reaches, projects or question marks with our 24.

Let's roll.

Ohio_Cane

We may find out? Lol

So which Miami wide receiver signee is faster β€” Mike Harley or Jeff Thomas? Harley says he wants a race. miami.247sports.com/Bolt/WR-Harley

Ohio_Cane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=genKu3se4LI

86Cane

Watch out for Jacksonville State -

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jacksonville-state-builds-recruiting-class-021402415--ncaaf.html

Posted by: raizecane | February 02, 2017 at 08:04 AM

#Undefeated

86Cane

Crow to Jones for six!

Posted by: The Dude | February 01, 2017 at 08:55 PM

Now where have I heard that before?

86Cane

Real Deal Holyfield...reminds me of Kevin Williams.

Posted by: CaneRock | February 01, 2017 at 12:54 PM

Moves and runs like K-Dub, body type of Hester.

Ohio_Cane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZQtK2NBCGQ

Ohio_Cane

From USA Today:

Miami (Fla.)

It's not as star-studded as the haul reeled in by rival Florida State, the Hurricanes’ first full class signed by Mark Richt easily ranks as the second-best in the Atlantic Coast Conference. Given how Miami closed this past season, adding another 20-plus players will provide the depth and athleticism Richt needs to lead this team to the top of the ACC Coastal Division.

Ohio_Cane

Not to mention, Thomas is listed at 5'10, 175 while Harley is at 5'9, 155.

20 lbs on him and it still faster.

Look, I'm not bashing Harley in the least bit. Great player and excellent speed, but he's not Jeff Thomas.

1mg Of epi

Posted by: 1mg Of epi | February 02, 2017 at 07:41 AM

Again, LSU hired from within and kept most of their staff, only upgrading big time at OC with Canada.
Posted by: Go Canes! | February 02, 2017 at 07:59 AM

He was there a year! Not saying relationships don't matter, just saying that coach was playing some politics with the 4 year comment.

BTW... on the radio this morning Richt was talking about when he knew certain players were coming or not. Seems that there were some signees who weren't leaning Miami as heavily as we thought. Basically sounded like they closed better than we think they closed.

Also... we had a huge EE class, and a number of long time commits. We tend to forget These guys when evaluating how we closed.

Hassan

It is NOT a debate. Thomas beats Harley. Pretty easily actually. Harley is a speedster, but Thomas has ELITE speed.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | February 01, 2017 at 10:24 PM

Harley has a faster 100M time. But in terms of FB speed I think Thomas edges Harley out. I do think in terms of on the field Thomas is ELITE, you do not compare to #4 unless you are amazing. Thomas does not lose speed with his cuts and that makes him unique. These two will change out offense next year. Walton is a happy guy.


CMR is not the best OC in the country I will give you that but I would say he is top 15 or so. He was RUSTY but we killed the teams we were supposed to in the beginning of the year. our OL really let us down and Kaaya was not playing his best ball in the middle stretch. CMR adapted both in game and the second half of the season. So I think this upcoming year he will be much improvde.

CaneRock


And we know what happened at the last minute with McFarland.

Posted by: raizecane | February 02, 2017 at 09:21 AM

I don't think it was a last minute thing. I wouldn't be surprised if that ole "string em' along till a week before NSD" was deliberate. Wouldn't be surprised if that punk @$$ ex gator Durkin put em' up to it.

thirstybuzzardcane

Watch out for Jacksonville State -

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jacksonville-state-builds-recruiting-class-021402415--ncaaf.html

Posted by: raizecane | February 02, 2017 at 08:04 AM

Oooooooo Weeeeee!

raizecane

If I am the NCAA, I am keeping an eye on Maryland. For the previous 4 years, they landed the 40th or worse recruiting class. However, first year coach D.J. Durkin has given Maryland the 18th best recruiting class in 2017. And we know what happened at the last minute with McFarland.

CaneRock

But to give these coaches the BOTD, they're recruiting against a lot of things that are out of their control.

When a kid goes to Tuscaloosa,Gainesville,Athens,Baton Rouge,etc, and sees anywhere from 80K to over 100K in the stands, that's tough to recruit against.

IMHO, that's tougher to recruit against than "relationships".

Terrance Sullivan

Lol Rock.

CaneRock

You either can make the sale, or you can't...has very little to do with "relationships".

Brown was recruiting McFarland since the 10th grade, He got beat.

No excuses for Rumph losing Edwards & Henderson...no way in hell UF's DB coach had a longer relationship with those 2 than Rumph.

I mean what's next, do these coaches have to be in the delivery room cutting the umbilical cord to get kids to come to UM?

No excuses.

Go Canes!

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/2/4/10914710/college-football-recruiting-improvement-tcu-baylor

Go Canes!

And UGA has been pulling classes like that for years.

It's not a new thing, CMR has been doing it.

Terrance Sullivan

Raise we signed 2 from Georgia they were teammates at same high school. Dee Jay Dallas and Z. Hillery. From Brunswick Georgia.

raizecane

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | February 02, 2017 at 08:46 AM

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Valid point. Does anybody know how many kids we signed from Georgia??

Terrance Sullivan

Raize Georgia Fans are pissed at that 8-5 record in 2016 compared to 10-3 in 2015. Also pissed that Miami finished 9-4 and ranked in 2016 when Miami was preseason unranked. Compared to Georgia who was preseason ranked in the top 20 but finished ranked in the top 40. Their are a bunch of Georgia Alums/Fans who are really skeptical of the Kirbster and really miss CMR.

WWIN

WHAT ABOUT ALABAMA?

Posted by: TonyCane | February 02, 2017 at 07:48 AM

They would follow that up with... "you're NOT Bama!"

1mg Of epi


http://totalfratmove.com/alabama-football-is-the-best-car-dealership-in-the-country/

I'm tempted to say that Miami should not only use a luxury car dealership, but brazenly make three year contract offers to recruits and publish the financial details. No paper bags, but contracts in Halliburton briefcases. And when the NCAA cries foul, when ESPN says that this is the worst thing in college football and a determinet to the students who are engaged in some athletic endeavors, I'd say

WHAT ABOUT ALABAMA?

Posted by: TonyCane | February 02, 2017 at 07:48 AM

And maybe here's how


https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/02/02/nlrb-general-counsel-says-private-college-football-players-are-employees?utm_content=buffer4abb0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=IHEbuffer

raizecane

Watch out for Jacksonville State -

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jacksonville-state-builds-recruiting-class-021402415--ncaaf.html

Go Canes!

Posted by: 1mg Of epi | February 02, 2017 at 07:41 AM

Again, LSU hired from within and kept most of their staff, only upgrading big time at OC with Canada.

TonyCane

After reading this...

http://totalfratmove.com/alabama-football-is-the-best-car-dealership-in-the-country/

I'm tempted to say that Miami should not only use a luxury car dealership, but brazenly make three year contract offers to recruits and publish the financial details. No paper bags, but contracts in Halliburton briefcases. And when the NCAA cries foul, when ESPN says that this is the worst thing in college football and a determinet to the students who are engaged in some athletic endeavors, I'd say

WHAT ABOUT ALABAMA?

1mg Of epi

And we have a coach who couldn't possibly have deeper relationships to 305 schools in Rumph.

LSU is another example.

raizecane

In his first full recruiting cycle, Kirby Smarts hauls in the #3 class. I am guessing Georgia fans are not missing CMR at this moment.....

1mg Of epi

Go.. there have been people telling our recruits Miami is the place to be for yeas too.

CoCane

We have a top 10 class...

CoCane

We got robbed in Espn's class rankings. We have more overall commits, top 300 commits and more 4* then #11 Texas A&M, #10 Auburn and #9 Clemson. The f*ck sh*t is endless...

Go Canes!

Posted by: 1mg Of epi | February 01, 2017 at 11:39 PM

USC hired from within. The majority of those coaches have been there since Sark got hired. Helton has been there since 2010.

And don't you think CMR and Co planting seeds about how UGA is the only place for those kids from the time they're in 8th grade plus the relationships the new coach built at Bama combined to make them an exception rather than the rule?

Dude on a Pale Horse

With all of Miami's natural advantages, there's zero reason that Richt cant establish Miami at the top of the Coastal forever, unless of course, he's a sh*tty HC. I really wish he would have hired a really qualified OC and stopped the bs. He's not an outstanding OC and ultimately I think it we will just be a 9 to 10 win team until he sees the writting on the wall. His play calling will always hold us back I think, but everywhere else he will do really well.

Dude on a Pale Horse

Posted by: 1mg Of epi | February 01, 2017 at 11:39 PM

The counter is that UGA always recruits, but I agree with you. I really think SoFL is just the scumiest place to recruit too. Coaches I think direct kids away from Miami. Whats up with Shannon? Dude was black listed as Miami's HC, but now as FU DC he's closing kids. Hmm...

WWIN

Posted by: nemo2002 | February 01, 2017 at 09:37 PM

Yes! Hell...we've been producing just as many NFL players as ANYBODY these last 5yrs and we've been down! What do you think is going to happen when we add good coaching to that formula???

WWIN

Posted by: The Dude | February 01, 2017 at 08:54 PM

Posted by: The Dude | February 01, 2017 at 08:55 PM

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1mg Of epi

Ariz: Richt says the recruiting process has turned into a 3-4 year process these days. Said relationships begin at the 8th and 9th grade level

Posted by: Go Canes! | February 01, 2017 at 09:53 PM

Sorry.. happy with the class, but i call BS. Go look at UGA and USC. 3-4 year process? No. At the end of the day, its salesmanship.

1mg Of epi

http://totalfratmove.com/alabama-football-is-the-best-car-dealership-in-the-country/

Someone asked about bama..

Go Canes!

Posted by: TonyCane | February 01, 2017 at 10:50 PM

That's not going to happen.

They'll back the Brinks truck up to Dabo's house if they need to and make him an offer he can't refuse.

Go Canes!

Posted by: Herbieibis | February 01, 2017 at 10:07 PM

Ford wil be a DT.

TonyCane

Memo, let the Herb answer that star question. FAT chance that, that will happen. Bama brings in 20 4 star players or better every year, talent stacked 3 deep and a majority of each class is red shirted. They is no hurry to play them but with us we can't Rs but maybe 6 or 7 because of depth issues that we seemily miss at a couple positions every year. Fsu gets it, especially on defense where every year their bringing in elite Dee tackles and db's. We act like there is no urgency to bring in DT's, we brought one in last year and one this year. The one reason our Dee is better is that we finally got some talent at that position that, and a coach. Depth of talent at a couple positions continues to cause us problems and we shouldn't be sitting here with only one back this cycle and only adding 2 cb's. No back up plan and probably are sitting there with 4 ships in our pocket. I saw this Davis kid verbal to Pitt and he was the number 15 back and under armor A-A but to my knowledge we didn't go after him. I like our class, especially the speed at wr and the haul at o-line. 15 years is a long time to wait. We just can't keep missing at positions of need or getting linked at the witching hour.

Posted by: Herbieibis | February 01, 2017 at 10:07 PM

The thing that I wonder is...how quickly does Alabama fall apart once Saban retires?

CaneRock

Richt's never won more than 9 games with either a true or RS-Fr at QB.

9-4 with Stafford (True Frosh) in 06'.
6-7 with Murray (RS-Fr) in 10'.

Dude on a Pale Horse

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | February 01, 2017 at 10:24 PM

They both have elite speed. This would be a close race imo.

BEERicane

We shall see if Thomas makes the grades to get in.

Ohio_Cane

It is NOT a debate. Thomas beats Harley. Pretty easily actually. Harley is a speedster, but Thomas has ELITE speed.

BigWindyCane1

The Canes were 9-4 this season, with a chance to improve this upcoming season. The Canes have NFL caliber talent on the two deep roster, but probably not enough depth. Still, there will be more quality depth this upcoming season than last season. There is enough talent on this roster to win the ACC coastal, but everything has to fall into place and the Canes must avoid injuries at key positions.

I like wins on NSD just like everyone else, but I like wins in the fall even more. This staff will develop this roster and I think the Canes will take a step forward this season

Herbieibis

Sorry Nemo hit the wrong letter.

Herbieibis

Memo, let the Herb answer that star question. FAT chance that, that will happen. Bama brings in 20 4 star players or better every year, talent stacked 3 deep and a majority of each class is red shirted. They is no hurry to play them but with us we can't Rs but maybe 6 or 7 because of depth issues that we seemily miss at a couple positions every year. Fsu gets it, especially on defense where every year their bringing in elite Dee tackles and db's. We act like there is no urgency to bring in DT's, we brought one in last year and one this year. The one reason our Dee is better is that we finally got some talent at that position that, and a coach. Depth of talent at a couple positions continues to cause us problems and we shouldn't be sitting here with only one back this cycle and only adding 2 cb's. No back up plan and probably are sitting there with 4 ships in our pocket. I saw this Davis kid verbal to Pitt and he was the number 15 back and under armor A-A but to my knowledge we didn't go after him. I like our class, especially the speed at wr and the haul at o-line. 15 years is a long time to wait. We just can't keep missing at positions of need or getting linked at the witching hour.

BigWindyCane1

Canes men basketball losing by 19 with 1:41 left. 4 assists and 13 turnovers

Go Canes!

If any statement has ever deserved a "There it is right there" it's this comment by CMR:

Ariz: Richt says the recruiting process has turned into a 3-4 year process these days. Said relationships begin at the 8th and 9th grade level

Go Canes!

Posted by: WWIN | February 01, 2017 at 07:03 PM

πŸ’―

nemo2002

Hurricanes winning 34-31 at halftime. It's a good game. I think it's on channel 33 in Miami

Posted by: BigWindyCane1 | February 01, 2017 at 09:04 PM

I have xfinity. I'm watching the game in HD on 436.

nemo2002

WWIN . . . without more stars will UM ever beat teams like Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson and FSU for another national championship?

#NotAChance πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

JCane

Remember the second half vs. Duke? Yuck, so far.

Overall a really nice NSD, imo. Never hurts for next year's offensive recruiting needs (ie RB) to point out an up and coming really good OL to have in front of them, along with the rest of the group (ie WRs with great speed, etc.). All we need is a developing QB, and what RB wouldn't be thrilled to be in the middle of this offense coming in with the 2018 group? The opportunities should be amazing.

BigWindyCane1

Hurricanes winning 34-31 at halftime. It's a good game. I think it's on channel 33 in Miami

Dude on a Pale Horse

Posted by: WWIN | February 01, 2017 at 07:51 PM

He'll be the greatest 6'5" 205 TE of all time! πŸ˜‚

Crow to Jones for six!

Dude on a Pale Horse

Posted by: WWIN | February 01, 2017 at 07:51 PM

Let me catch him line up real close to the line and I'm gonna tell you all how wrong you are! πŸ˜‚

Dude on a Pale Horse

Posted by: WWIN | February 01, 2017 at 07:51 PM

Its a long 4 years, we shall see.

thirstybuzzardcane

Anyone having problems with watching the game? I can't even watch it on my phone because ESPN blacked it out.

thirstybuzzardcane

Anyone know why the game is not on TV. I have xfinity and its channel 435. The guide shows its suppose to be on but its not.

WWIN

Posted by: The Dude | February 01, 2017 at 07:49 PM

Wilder wasn't even really a take for us! He'll be a special teams specialist for us tho!

WWIN

More bad news TD...

Though former UM star David Njoku (who turned pro) was a tight end, Dugans said Evidence will not be a tight end here.

β€œHe’s a receiver.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article130186859.html#storylink=cpy

Dude on a Pale Horse

Posted by: WWIN | February 01, 2017 at 07:41 PM

He better watch himself. Wilder can set the edge now.

Dude on a Pale Horse

We have 6 ESPN 300 kids committed for 2018, 3 of which are cornerbacks. And then there's Blades who hasnt committed yet.

WWIN

TD...Wilder overtaking McCloud???

#NotAChance πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Dude on a Pale Horse

2018 has a 4 star DT from SoFL.

Dude on a Pale Horse

Posted by: Sean Spence is a Beast!!! | February 01, 2017 at 07:22 PM

Thats the reality of our situation. We havent been good for a very long time. This front 7 has to prove they can dominate year in and out before kids will come down to Miami again. The Miami area doesnt produce that many, and when it does they go to FSU. Miami has a long ways to go. We started at QB and WR. LB and DE on D is pretty stacked. Now we should only recruit elite kids to those spots. Next up on O, RBs and OL, on D its all about DBs. DTs will be the last to come back, too many schools recruit the monsters.

WWIN

Nemo... will WWIN ever believe stars matter???

#NotAChance πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

WWIN

Didn't we also flip a bama commit?

Posted by: 1mg Of epi | February 01, 2017 at 07:06 PM

No...we picked up a commit that was DROPPED by Bama! πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

nemo2002

Any post-NSD recruiting rumors?

1mg Of epi

I think they had more pressing needs than DT this year, but I agree that they'll need next year to grab a few monsters

Sean Spence is a Beast!!!

1 DT in this class. That's the one that caught my attention! Smh

1mg Of epi

#watchthefinish was NOT strong but still a GREAT class in my eyes!

The only last minute pickup we added was Herbert. Dean, Harley, and Thomas was penciled here for awhile.

First thing we need to do to get back to the top is building up both lines...offense and defense...and I think we did that with this class!

Posted by: WWIN | February 01, 2017 at 07:03 PM

Exactly.

1mg Of epi

Didn't we also flip a bama commit?

1mg Of epi

BTW we had 10 ESPN 300 recruits. FSU had 12, Clemson had 9.

Quit bitching.

Posted by: 1mg Of epi | February 01, 2017 at 03:22 PM

I am very pleased with this class too!

Posted by: BigWindyCane1 | February 01, 2017 at 06:26 PM

If our resident talent evaluator is happy, I'm happy. I'm usually the first to dive headfirst into a spiral of negativity, but overall I think we did well. Especially considering where we've been the last 15 years.

We got better today. Just keep doing that.

WWIN

#watchthefinish was NOT strong but still a GREAT class in my eyes!

The only last minute pickup we added was Herbert. Dean, Harley, and Thomas was penciled here for awhile.

First thing we need to do to get back to the top is building up both lines...offense and defense...and I think we did that with this class!

WWIN

EVERY college in the country are paying players...UM included!

BigWindyCane1

Canes men basketball team play FSU tonight

BigWindyCane1

HARLEY v Thomas? Who is fastest? Nice debate to have. I don't think HARLEY was invited to the opening so they will have to wait until they arrive on campus. There will be some great races after practice with those two, Richards (currently the fastest on the team) and Dean (who reportedly runs in the 4.3s).

Gus Felder is a happy man!

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