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January 13, 2018

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86Cane

This blog is for Terrance Sullivan.

That is all.

roachcane77

As a current high school tennis coach, I appreciate the blog as well!

Go Canes!!

Found this on CIS, it’s from warchant. Maybe we are overstating how much of a problem we have with players leaving early?:


"For my research, I chose six other programs that I thought were somewhat similar to Florida State -- Alabama, Clemson, Florida, LSU, Miami and Ohio State. I then looked up how many early entries each school has had since the end of the 2013 season, including the ones who have declared in recent days.

LSU has had more early entries than anyone over the last five years with 21.

Clemson will likely be at 21, too, when its two terrific defensive linemen declare. What are those dudes waiting on anyway?

Florida State is currently at 20.

So is Florida.

Alabama, which had five players declare on Thursday, is currently at 18.

Ohio State is at 15.

Miami, which I included because it’s a rival -- but doesn’t really belong on this list because it hasn’t won anything since I had hair -- has had 11"

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 13, 2018 at 10:36 PM

Go Canes!!

Haven’t had too many guys make bad decisions since the Northwestern crew a few years back.

Seems like Yesrby just hated school and Norton was going no matter what.

nemo2002

Good news. The IPF is rapidly taking shape.

1mg of Epi

Yesrby just hated school and Norton was going no matter what.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | January 14, 2018 at 06:15 AM

The narrative seems to be that Miami can’t keep its draft eligible players, resulting in a depth problem. Meanwhile the elites are able to keep players for 4 years giving them an advantage.

Based on those numbers above, that narrative seems false.

Herbieibis

No they all have had way more talent and last night 2 DL, a LB and DB, for Clemson are staying. We’ve had some who thought they were better than they were leave but I’ll have to admit, most Miami players are better pro players than college, for the most part!
The reverse side of that, with all the talent Bama has had the last 8 years leave early, aside from Landon Collins, Julio Jones and Cooper who else has really done anything else? They are the flip side of us.
In our hay day we not only had great college players, but had great All-Pros 2.

WWIN

Based on those numbers above, that narrative seems false.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 14, 2018 at 10:28 AM

I think it's false... sure it hurts now when we're not at capacity roster size wise... but when we get back to 85 it shouldn't matter as much. Getting 3 good years out of a player should be enough.

nemo2002

Good point WWIN. More numbers should translate as more depth. And more depth ought to offset numbers of early exits by NFL prospects.

TonyCane

The early entries to the NFL are a consistent issue for Miami going back at least twenty years.

Yatil Green for instance was a junior. Bring the former first rounder back and how different are the 1997 Hurricanes? I believe Tremaine Mack was as well. Add him to the roster and the Canes probably make a bowl game.

Let's flash forward to Larry Coker's last year. What if Devin Hester, Sinorice Moss, and Kelly Jennings had returned for the 2006 season? I can almost guarantee that Larry Coker would have been our coach for one more year. Kyle Wright would have been far closer to the player he was in the 2005 season - the Canes offense would not have been anemic and we would not have seen punters and cornerbacks converted to wide receivers.

Then there's the 2015 season. Early departures were Ereck Flowers and Duke Johnson. Give Brad Kayaa a bit of extra protection and put Duke into the game against Florida State and its possible that Golden finally beats the Seminoles. And is still our coach in 2016, as I doubt the admin would fire him if Clemson was his first loss.

Early departures go up when the pool of draftable talent goes up, and is commiserate with the amount of talent that could potentially be first rounders. I would be surprised that it is any different historically at USC or Ohio State. I know that at this point, it's no different at Texas.

CoCane

With Kul coaching, I think Willis, Ford, Bethel and even Martin will be fine.

Go Canes!!

Agree with Co 💯

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: WWIN | January 14, 2018 at 10:54 AM

100%. And making sure we get quality 3* players so that they can redshirt, and count for next year matters a bunch. You have to have depth that makes sense.

Terrance Sullivan

86 Thanks for this Brotha. Of course we will be checking out the Lady Canes as part of the Canespace Four Play on the weekend of March 2nd through March 4th. The schedule of events are Women's Tennis and Baseball on Friday Night March 2nd, Men's Basketball and Baseball Double Header on Saturday March 3rd. and a catch of the action of Women's Tennis and or Baseball on Sunday for a about a hour before we depart Coral Gables Sunday afternoon heading back to our Homes north. Cant wait to hang with my Canespace Family in early March in Miami!

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: CoCane | January 14, 2018 at 11:12 AM

You are probably right, but 3 of those guys are pass rushers.

Terrance Sullivan

So the Schedule is Friday Women's Tennis and Baseball, Saturday Men's Basketball and Baseball Double Header. Sunday is returning home.

BigWindyCane1

With Kul coaching, I think Willis, Ford, Bethel and even Martin will be fine.

Posted by: CoCane | January 14, 2018 at 11:12 AM

Go Canes!!
Agree with Co 💯

Posted by: Go Canes!! | January 14, 2018 at 11:36 AM

Yep. McIntosh and Norton came here as three stars and left as draft-able players. That’s called player development. The Canes do need a lot more depth. A few juniors leave from Clemson and Alabama, and they have enough depth to sustain the quality of their rotations at almost every position. As Tony, Nemo and WWIN alluded to, the Canes haven’t built that same level of depth yet, but IMO they are getting there.

The greatest Canes defenses were always built on outstanding play at the DT positions. All of the DTs the Canes have are good, but I have my eye on Ford. Ford was good in high school, but he was never really pushed that hard. Ford has really grown into manhood over the last season. If Ford continues to develop this offseason under Coach Kul, he could be the next great Canes DT. If you have ever seen Ford stand next to Norton and McIntosh, you will see that he is noticeably bigger. Ford didn’t play much, but I liked what I saw when he did play. At times, you could see on a few plays that Ford is very athletic for his size. I will not be surprised if he took a Big next step and become an elite ACC DT under Coach Kul.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: BigWindyCane1 | January 14, 2018 at 12:13 PM

I kind of think they are going pro because we had to use them too soon. So now they have miles on their bodies. Instead of being redshirted to build their bodies, then as RS freshmen, get some reps and build their bodies more, then as RS sophmores been apart of the rotation, then as RS juniors played really well as starters, then come back as seniors playing for their draft spot. Instead, they were asked to start (last year) a year too soon. Good roster management still says that if they had a big JR season, they could go... that means you need to have another group of ready bodies behind them. Freshman get reps, Sophmores get rotation, Juniors get starts, Seniors get starts. There are obviously some slight variations and some players may not work out, but those guys NEED to find another college to play at.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 12:43 PM

This is all a bunch of thinking out loud here so ignore it if you want... but say we end up with Nesta, Briggs and Chatman...

We need to anticipate that because Nesta & Briggs are 4* players, and we need them to get playing time because of our depth, they will declare after their Jr seasons. Chatman however as a 3*, gets to play in 4 games and RS and build his body.

1. **** (FR) DT Nesta 6'2" 300
2. **** (FR) DT Briggs 6'4" 270
3. *** (FR) DT Chatman 6'2" 270

Next year after training and all that Chatman is going to be LIKE a 4* Fresman, meaning we only need 1 DT. If we get a 2nd DT, then we only need 1 in 2020.

1. **** (SO) DT Nesta 6'2" 305
2. **** (SO) DT Briggs 6'4" 285
3. *** (*FR) DT Chatman 6'2" 285
4. **** (FR) DT Sorrells 6'3" 270

assuming the 4 star doesnt gets redshirt again, the next year looks like

1. **** (JR) DT Nesta 6'2" 305
2. **** (JR) DT Briggs 6'4" 300
3. *** (*SO) DT Chatman 6'2" 300
4. **** (SO) DT Sorrells 6'3" 285
5. & 6. Could be a *** (*FR) and a **** (FR) or two **** (FR) depending on how advanced scouting & recruiting goes.

By now we could be in a position where we could ask 4 star players to redshirt and tell 5 star players they wont, thus upgrading the rotation's talent level. I think this rotation is how teams like Wisconsin constantly have great offensive lines.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 12:58 PM

If Nesta & Briggs jump after their JR years, look at what you are replacing it with, 2 rotation sophmores that shouldnt be too much drop off, and two more high caliber players backing them up. Id say with an 85 man roster, we should have 7-8 DTs on the roster per year.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 01:01 PM

Assuming its Chatman and Sorrells taking over at DT as JRs in 2021, itd be their 1st year as true starters, maybe they both go pro again, maybe only one of them, maybe they both come back because they dont have as many miles on them early on.

K. Theres always something that can pop up and change the plan a bit but the plan should have really good answsers to anything that can happen. Thats how the best coaches keep winning. Its all in the prep and planning. Thats my opinion.

86Cane

More numbers should translate as more depth. And more depth ought to offset numbers of early exits by NFL prospects.

Posted by: nemo2002 | January 14, 2018 at 11:05 AM

There IT is right there.

86Cane

Getting 3 good years out of a player should be enough.

Posted by: WWIN | January 14, 2018 at 10:54 AM

Like 3 good years outta a blogger?

I got some bad news WWIN. We are going to have to "re-structure" your client's contract (His Royal Dudeness) to help pay for salary increases for TonyCane, BigWindyCane and Nemo2002.

Please have your people contact my people so we can do lunch and discuss. Thank you.

The Management

His Royal Dudeness

I was also thinking, since football is all about prep and planning....

You look at the difference between 5* and 4* players and its almost alwayd the case that the 5* just has a more powerful and athletic body. Some kids have it naturally and some kids hit the weights hard, plan their workouts, prep their training. Bama gets most of the 5* kids, so they are getting kids who already buy into the process of being great, they get that its a grind and they have embraced it.

86Cane

I think this rotation is how teams like Wisconsin constantly have great offensive lines.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 12:58 PM

Never mind. After this quality post we will not touch his "Ranchise Player" tag. He remains our highest paid blogger.

May have to cut some other bloggers to keep us under the blogging salary cap? HillView, Sinister, Epi or KYCane may have to go?

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 01:18 PM

I hope you dont expect me at practice next week.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 01:25 PM

I dont want to tip my hand, but Im willing make a deal. My legacy as a 1 blog poster means something to me.

86Cane

Watching Jax at Pitt. CB Artie Burns (Pitt) covering WR Allen Hurns (Jax). Sean Spence at LB (Pitt). #NFLU

HillViewCane

Posted by: TonyCane | January 14, 2018 at 11:08 AM

An angle not often discussed is that if we were actually allowed to pay players more might stay until graduation. Now that is only a guess on my part but I have heard a lot of athletes say that playing in college was way more fun than their respective leagues.

It is tough being broke. If you gotta chance at some money...it's hard to pass up. If no one in your family makes close to 50k a year than a a chance for 300k a year would be like winning the lottery, if the odds for the lottery were great. Not saying it's the case for everyone who leaves early but just something to consider.

86Cane

Practice? Now we talking bout practice? PRACTICE???

HRD don't need no stinkin practice!

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: HillViewCane | January 14, 2018 at 01:35 PM

If the NFL wants to pay them while they are in school, Im good with that. The schools also need to do more for these kids after college. Like unlimited healthcare & education.

86Cane

HillView...but why settle for $300k now when you could get $1M next year?

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: HillViewCane | January 14, 2018 at 01:35 PM

I also think we should have a program for former players that want to become coaches. We should be reaching out to former players like Ken Dorsey to advise him on his growth as a coach.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 01:57 PM

Because injuries. Why cant the NFL draft the kid, pay him his 300k and tell him to go back to school?

86Cane

OL Linder (Jax) was holding LB Spence (Pitt) but it was not called.

Jax 21, Pitt 0 Second quarter.

Sorry Vince!

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 01:59 PM

Maybe not 300k, but like 75k...

86Cane

Because injuries. Why cant the NFL draft the kid, pay him his 300k and tell him to go back to school?

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 01:59 PM

That is why ALL the HIGHER RATED Clemson kids came back? Yeah, OK whatever. Think before you argue.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 02:00 PM

They came back because Clemson can realisticly win a title next year and they want to do that. Miami isnt winning the title next year, not even close.

1mg of Epi

Posted by: Herbieibis | January 14, 2018 at 10:39 AM

They really haven’t had that much more talent. They may have more elites, but Miami has put as many in the league as anybody.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 14, 2018 at 02:24 PM

More elite talents is more talent.

86Cane

They came back because Clemson can realisticly win a title next year and they want to do that. Miami isnt winning the title next year, not even close.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 02:04 PM

No your argument was that they were not coming back because of fear of injury. The other argument was that they were leaving to get paid. Neither had anything to do with winning a title. Can't switch horses in midstream just to make it look better.

And if Miami is not winning a national Championship next year, "NOT EVEN CLOSE" as you put it, maybe we should ALL take the year off?

#ThatsTheTicket

ColaCane

Anybody have the scoop on Briggs? I don't have Premium content on Canesport and don't know what happened after FSU visited him.

HillViewCane

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 01:57 PM

Because of quality of life. For example Doctors make this decision all of the time. They can often make double in small towns than they do in big cities but most still chose big cities if they can. Money is a huge thing don't get me wrong ,but only up to a point.

Hell living in Miami with a little money in your pocket is way better than living in Tuscaloosa like a king, but living with no money in Miami...pfft. Thus the Clemson success in recruiting

HillViewCane

Most people only need enough money to be comfortable. Some need more and more but most just want to not have money worries.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 03:36 PM

Its all of it.

86Cane

#AllTheAbove

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 04:02 PM

You are right my post was incomplete...

its like Ive been saying, in football its every single detail perfected. Staff, drills, recruiting, time off, gameday, all of it.

WWIN

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 12:43 PM

I think redshirting is overrated

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: WWIN | January 14, 2018 at 04:38 PM

How so?

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