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May 27, 2018

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TruCane81

Back on top.

86Cane

As it should be!

thirstybuzzardcane


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Posted by: TruCane81 | May 27, 2018 at 09:57 PM

That's what.....

thirstybuzzardcane

California is a screwed up state!


https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2018/5/27/17400970/california-amendment-universities-salaries-200000-cfb-head-coaches?__twitter_impression=true

86Cane

She said!

thirstybuzzardcane

Looks like the O/U is 10 for us! Sounds like a push to me.

https://twitter.com/Covers/status/1000814941371289600?s=19

Go Canes!!

When you get to the bottom to the top....

TonyCane

Thirsty...two thoughts on that:

1) Go right ahead. California schools will lose their head coaches, assistant coaches, and their recruits. We’ll be in line to pick up a few.

2) I’ve been saying this for a while...there will be a backlash against giant coaching salaries as college tuitions continue to escalate beyond the rate of inflation. I presumed it would be the next time that there was a recession.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: TonyCane | May 27, 2018 at 11:09 PM

They know not what they do, but when the ramifications become clear, they wont do it. It is however going to come to an end, salaries just cant keep going up like that. NCAA needs a coaching staff salary cap?

86Cane

OK, I just have to say this out loud: The weather forecast for Central Florida for this weekend was the absolute most inaccurate forecast that I have ever seen in my life. They said we would be swamped with 100% chance of rain and 5-7 inches of it. NOT EVEN CLOSE! How do these people keep their jobs?

86Cane

2) I’ve been saying this for a while...there will be a backlash against giant coaching salaries as college tuitions continue to escalate beyond the rate of inflation. I presumed it would be the next time that there was a recession.

Posted by: TonyCane | May 27, 2018 at 11:09 PM

U are correct Sir! College coaching salaries should be capped at $3 million/year. You don't want the job, don't take it!

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | May 27, 2018 at 11:53 PM

If you capped it at 10 million per staff, then teams like Alabama couldnt collect all the top guys. Maybe a HC makes 4, the OC/DC make 1 a piece, and the rest of the coaches split the remaining 5. Idk, just a thought.

Terrance Sullivan

Free Market Rules. Whatever the market pays I won't complain. Nice work if you can get it.

thirstybuzzardcane

OK, I just have to say this out loud: The weather forecast for Central Florida for this weekend was the absolute most inaccurate forecast that I have ever seen in my life. They said we would be swamped with 100% chance of rain and 5-7 inches of it. NOT EVEN CLOSE! How do these people keep their jobs?

Posted by: 86Cane | May 27, 2018 at 11:51 PM


I got hammered with rain in Palm City!

thirstybuzzardcane

If they cap their salary at $200K, I'm sure the boosters will be paying the remainder.

DallasTX Cane

Salary cap = more underhanded, illegal, unethical BS booster behavior. The Bama’s of this world are gonna find a way to get the $$ into the right hands. Better to pay the players and force more revenue sharing with the other sports. Set budgets as a percentage of overall athletic department budget.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | May 28, 2018 at 01:13 AM

But its not really a free market, its public funds and student tuition.

His Royal Dudeness

But its not really a free market, its public funds and student tuition.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | May 28, 2018 at 03:12 AM

On the backs of unpaid labor.

Go Canes!!

Posted by: 86Cane | May 27, 2018 at 11:51 PM

💯

Had a glorious, albeit very windy afternoon on Ft Myers beach. We we’re stressed all week thinking it was going to be a total washout but around 1:00 it stopped and the day got progressively more beautiful.

raizecane

Remembering
our VETS!!! Happy Memorial Day all

raizecane

i'll be heading to Treasure Island tomorrow for 5 days....rain or shine!!!

86Cane

But its not really a free market, its public funds and student tuition.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | May 28, 2018 at 03:12 AM

NFL is free market. College is not.

TonyCane

Thirsty...it would be fun if the NCAA then stepped in and said that boosters giving money and benefits....even meals....to coaches would be violations and would subject the school to sanctions and penalties.

Imagine this headline:

CHIP KELLY ALLEGED TO HAVE RECEIVED MOCHA FROM BOOSTER
Los Angeles, CA - ESPN

The University of California is facing a new crisis this morning when sources at the NCAA revealed that head coach Chip Kelly received a free coffee from a booster during a meeting at Starbucks.

thirstybuzzardcane

👆👆👆LOL

Go Canes!!

Posted by: 86Cane | May 28, 2018 at 10:15 AM

It is for everyone but the guys people want to see.

Schools, coaches, bowls, TV, apparel companies are making billions.

The players are getting shafted.

86Cane

The players are getting shafted.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 28, 2018 at 10:58 AM

As long as the bloggers don't get shafted...

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 28, 2018 at 10:58 AM

Its still not a free market. These are public institutions, supported with tax payer dollars and student tuition.

TruCane81

The football scholarship system is not the even exchange Soup wants to make it.

To force the players not to work or make their own money in their off time, then refuse to pay them fair market value and use coercive, exploitative means to deprive them of the ability to make money from their school associated image even after their career is over, is as American as it gets.

A chemistry major who makes a discovery that generates millions in donations does not get this kind of treatment. They can make their own money.

But America is the history’s greatest cesspool of hypocrisy. So nothing will change. Too bad. We have the opportunity to REALLY be the great nation the songs speak of.

But the fair thing is to pay players a large stipend, say $1000 a week in school and then calculate up a royalty payment.

Otherwise, cut the amateur phoniness and let these guys get their money where they can, whether it be boosters, local businesses, or otherwise.

orange 'n green in the vein

Anybody who agrees with GD on a collegiate sports team, quit today and join a professional sports team so you get money because that's where they pay for athletes who are good enough to play children's games.

Anybody not on a collegiate sports team who agrees with GD, you're a jock sniffing loser too.

TruCane81

Dude give it up.

You’re weak af homie.

thirstybuzzardcane

Posted by: 86Cane | May 28, 2018 at 10:15 AM

It is for everyone but the guys people want to see.

Schools, coaches, bowls, TV, apparel companies are making billions.

The players are getting shafted.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 28, 2018 at 10:58 AM


High School players aren't forced to go to college. They are more than welcome to wait the 3 years and try to walk on to an NFL team.

86Cane

Now I get it!

We should be led to believe that going to college for free, with paid tuition, room and board and excellent medical care, all while playing a sport you love and getting top notch coaching to help you become even better, is so unfair that it very well could be the worst thing that could ever happen to a person in life.

Oh the tragedy and horror of it all.

I mean going to college for free with free housing and great food and getting your degree is definitely way worse than paying for college yourself and having $100,000 in student debt when you graduate, or being unemployed, poor and homeless, or joining the military and getting shot at (or killed) or stuck at McDonald's for minimum wage for the rest of your life.

I mean who doesn't get that?

TruCane81

Cmon Soup.

You know there is way more to this than just free education, room , and board.

You don’t want to pay the players, fine but the NCAA should stay the hell out of their private business dealings.

Go Canes!!

Posted by: 86Cane | May 28, 2018 at 01:20 PM

Let me know when a TV network pays a billion dollars for people to watch you and your buddies get drunk at the rathskeller.

Until then comparing the “average person” to what Canes football players represent financially to the university is ridiculous.

College sports is a giant business and the kids making everyone else involved in it filthy rich are not getting a representative share of the money.

86Cane

1. Let me know when a TV network pays a billion dollars for people to watch you and your buddies get drunk at the rathskeller.

2. College sports is a giant business and the kids making everyone else involved in it filthy rich are not getting a representative share of the money.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 28, 2018 at 01:45 PM

I have no earthly understanding of where the ideas or basis for your arguments come from but I will play along just for kicks and giggles.

1. Highest rated show on YouTube. Check it.

2. Let's see, at $75,000 a year (UM tuition, housing, premium food, nutrition & fitness training and medical care) X 85 players = $5.1 Million / year times 4 years = $20,400,000. That seems like a pretty fair share of the profits to me but hey what do I know?

BTW...did I mention that the players get to travel by plane all over the United States and stay in really nice hotels for free? Other "average people" also known as "other college students" don't get that, do they? The unfairness and suffering just keeps increasing!

Please add another $10k/year per 85 players or $850,000 to the annual budget times another 4 years...or $3,400,000.

So we are now about at $25,000,000 over fours years for basic expenses for 85 players. Sign me up, I'll take it!

86Cane

Revenue generated by athletics through ticket sales, broadcast agreements and other sources continues to rise among Division I schools, but athletics-related expenses are climbing at a quicker pace, according to a report detailing revenues and expenses among NCAA institutions in 2013.

Expenses exceeded generated revenue at all but 20 schools in the Football Bowl Subdivision. The average loss among the five highest-resource conferences was $2.3 million, but was much higher — $17.6 million — at all other FBS schools. From 2012 to 2013, median annual generated revenues (all athletics revenues excluding those allocated through the government, the school or through student-activity fees) increased by 3.2 percent, yet median total expenses rose by 10.6 percent.

Athletic departments outside of the 20 schools whose revenues exceeded their expenses close the gap through subsidies provided by their institutions. But at the median Division I school, the athletics budget rose more quickly than the institutional budget, requiring the athletics department to take a larger percentage of institutional funds.

“If the trend of athletic spending outpacing institutional spending continues, institutions will need to be able to justify that spend to the university community and the general public,” said NCAA Chief Financial Officer Kathleen McNeely. “The value that athletics brings to campus life, life-long connection to alumni, and enhancing diversity on campus are all important outcomes from athletic programs that need to be celebrated and shared.”

More highlights from the 2013 reports:

Division I
The 20 Division I FBS programs whose revenues exceeded their expenses reported median net revenue of $8.45 million. Those schools represent 16 percent of FBS.

86Cane

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2017RES_D1-RevExp_Entire_2017_Final_20180123.pdf

2017 Revenue/Expense Summary from NCAA.

Go to page 13. Again only about 20-24 schools make money, the rest (including Miami) either lose money or break even.

Total average revenue: $52,000,000

Total average expenses: $71,000,000

Total net gain/(loss): ($14,000,000)

Even with football alone the total average loss was $3,500,000.

BigWindyCane1

Soup, thanks for taking to the time on Memorial Day to thank those who serve our country, and to remember those who paid the ultimate sacrifice!

Terrance Sullivan

Preach 86.

AeroCane

Soup you are correct 100%
Oh woe is me - I get to go to college for free, eat and be treated like an effing prince, travel and potentially go to the NFL! WTF - this is awesome
Btw - if I own a business, make millions, do I share this with my employees - HELL NO! I give them a little bonus or small profit share but by no means do they get more or deserve more / I'm taking the risks, if there is a shortfall I put it in with my own funds etc

Go Canes and thank goodness Morris is gone. I don't think DiMare is the guy, but he's a start

BigWindyCane1

Looks like the O/U is 10 for us! Sounds like a push to me.

https://twitter.com/Covers/status/1000814941371289600?s=19

Posted by: thirstybuzzardcane | May 27, 2018 at 10:19 PM

I think 10 is about right. Anything less would be disappointing, and anything more would be a good season with a Orange/Fiesta/Rose/Sugar-level bowl or better.

It’s time

CoCane

The NCAA shouldn't have to pay the players but the dam sure shouldn't block the players for getting paid off of themselves.

Also, the money and prestige generated by college football and basketball, is the reason why these universities can charge so much for tuition.

86Cane

Coke...stop doing too much product dude! LOL

His Royal Dudeness

High School players aren't forced to go to college. They are more than welcome to wait the 3 years and try to walk on to an NFL team.

Posted by: thirstybuzzardcane | May 28, 2018 at 12:54 PM

This is the most disingenuous statement is Canespace history, lol.

UMike

Sup spacers... anyone know when season tix go on sale? Or have they already?

TonyCane

“If the trend of athletic spending outpacing institutional spending continues, institutions will need to be able to justify that spend to the university community and the general public,” said NCAA Chief Financial Officer Kathleen McNeely.

Posted by: 86Cane | May 28, 2018 at 04:00 PM

It is going to be an increasingly hard sell.

Terrance Sullivan

UMike Season Tickets are already on sale!

Go Canes!!

Btw - if I own a business, make millions, do I share this with my employees - HELL NO! I give them a little bonus or small profit share but by no means do they get more or deserve more / I'm taking the risks, if there is a shortfall I put it in with my own funds etc

Posted by: AeroCane | May 28, 2018 at 04:51 PM

College football isn't supposed to be a be a business and wasn't supposed to make millions. They've spent countless dollars saying the exact opposite.

Imagine a business where all the owners, board members, management teams, vendors, licensing agencies and clothing manufacturers were making boatloads of cash...and not paying their employees.

I'm sure this quote would get a great public response:

"Well no we don't pay them, there just isn't enough money. But we train them, give them healthcare, a nice place to live and we feed them well!!"

Go Canes!!

Posted by: 86Cane | May 28, 2018 at 04:07 PM

Any big time football program losing money is doing so out of stupidity, mismanagement and greed.

If you click on just this link and don't think the players are getting completely screwed, well you willl never get it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/11/26/fired-college-football-coaches-owed-more-than-60-million-buyouts/896451001/

Go Canes!!

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | May 28, 2018 at 05:28 PM

You know you aren't required to go to college to apply to medical school.

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