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December 14, 2018

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WWIN

Trucane81 killed it today!

Soup PAY THIS MAN!!!

SOUP

NEW BLOG IS UP!

Terrance Sullivan

Herb I get your frustration completely we just have to let it play out. I am frustrated as well.

solarcane

Share Croppers?
I thought they were called the Mountaineers

Terrance Sullivan

Herb Relax.

Herbieibis

Terrance,
Getting our share of what, fighting off the likes of FIU, FAU and So. Flo. Oh and App. St. We will get our righfull position in the college higharchy real quick. We need talent. We don't need our share of share croppers.

solarcane

This is a bit interesting.
Diaz is going to bring coach Francis Brown back to Temple from Baylor.

Brown is said to have interviewed for the HC job very well but wasn't quite ready. He is very popular at Temple and recruits the NE well.

Maybe Manny and Temple already have an inkling as to what may transpire in a couple seasons?

Herbieibis

Have to say this. His dad was average and I'll go out on a limb and say he will be too. We need to be crooting dogs that have got some meat on their bones. At least go after some guys that weigh 210. I don't think Bama is crooting 190 lbs last I looked. Thanks for the favor
And your heavy heart.

Terrance Sullivan

Naw Herb. They wanted to go where they wanted to go. We will get our share. I would be worried if we lost a guy that committed early on and never wavered. That's when U get worried.

Herbieibis

Yeah, let him go and freeze his azz off. At 190 lbs for an lb that ain't enough lard to keep u from freezing. No loyality, all these legacy players going to lose somewhere else. Maybe we will end up with another flip from App St.. We now have limited depth at Lb. If those dogs leave early we may end up with 6 lbs on ship. This is a disgrace. 16 decoms. I would understand if we finished 3-9 but these croots must know something we don't.

Terrance Sullivan

SolarCane actually I am happy Solomon is going to Michigan that's where he wants to be and rather him go there than him be unhappy here and transfer out in a year. Next Man Up.

solarcane

Solomon to Michigan tonight

Terrance Sullivan

The Herb U are correct we need to fix our Tackle Positions on our OL and get a good QB that will manage the game be accurate and not turnover prone and look out we will be back kicking arse and taking names Daddy.

SOUP

Thanks for the love.

The feeling is all mutual!

Go Canes!!

Posted by: SOUP | December 16, 2018 at 08:27 PM

💯

Herbieibis

Soup, The Herb loves this blog. I love the interaction with the guys and gals
. It's informative, being that I'm in, NC. I have some place to vent, which I do quit often! I'm thankful to U for the opportunity to voice my pleasures or displeasures. As I said on here before, I grew up a Bama fan. Once Bear Bryant died it just wasn't, the same and I hated ND and Day always played those cock suckers and I loved the colors so I switched and haven't looked back. I may bitch, alot but I was right about o e thing and that was the DT position, which I bitched about forever. Once we got some our Dee has been solid. Now I'm onto the OLine and specifically the tackle position. I ain't giving up hope but It's hard not too when u have idiots running the show and knowing how lousy the ACC is as a whole.

SOUP

Much respect my friend

Posted by: solarcane | December 16, 2018 at 09:01 PM

Back at U.

solarcane

Soup
I still remember a private email from you all those years ago saying any one of us could do a better job blogging about the Canes than ______ over at the Sun Sentinel.
Not too many are aware of all those discussions we had every night.
Then you proved you were right and we all did a mass exodus to Canespace
Much respect my friend

Terrance Sullivan

Soup. Yes Sir. Best Canes Blog Ever Daddy. Thank U CEO!

Terrance Sullivan

Native Yes Sir.

SOUP

The fact that some really good folks have stuck around here for over 11 years is just amazing. Some have come and gone, some left and came back and some have been here from the beginning to now. All along it has been a bit WHACK but fun.

#WhatALongStrangeTripItsBeen

#TheLongAndWindingRoad

SOUP

There are some days where I would pay someone some serious cash just to end this blog.

Then there are some days when I would pay a serious admission price just to get into this place.

Today is one of those days.

solarcane


Ever wonder who started that crazy ass high fiven end zone prancing white shoes Johnson style shyt?
Here it is

https://youtu.be/d1pJwOnYrs0

about five minutes of this and I pull out the pellet gun

NativeCane


Native coming in dropping the Alabama Jam Beautiful Bobby Eaton style while DTXCane does the Snake Sweet Stan Lane Style and SolarCane holding the Tennis Racket Jim Cornette Style Daddy!

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | December 16, 2018 at 07:53 PM

We dined with Kings and Queens and we been in a parking lot in Dallas eating pork and beans Daddy.....

TruCane81

Well Herbie, don’t be afraid to tell us what you really thinking.

Terrance Sullivan

Native coming in dropping the Alabama Jam Beautiful Bobby Eaton style while DTXCane does the Snake Sweet Stan Lane Style and SolarCane holding the Tennis Racket Jim Cornette Style Daddy!

TruCane81


Posted by: Go Canes!! | December 16, 2018 at 06:27 PM

That feeling in the Orange Bowl after the UCLA game is etched in my mind forever, everybody's face was like
Hell Yea!!
You are right some of those moments make this cluster seem worth it.

Posted by: solarcane | December 16, 2018 at 06:52 PM

Wish I could have been there.

I missed that game playing in a basketball tournament my senior year.

I was still reeling from that 60 burger beat down Mcnabb and Harrison put on us up in the dome.

I was SHOCKED we took down a quality UCLA team that had previously owned us. Remember the fake Kareem? I still have not seen Edge torching those guys for almost 300 yards. Thank God for YouTube. Might be watching it tonight.

Herbieibis

I'll tell u what I'm going to do is bitch, until this situation rights it's self. With Richt calling plays and the uncertantity which is our not so special, special teams. Who knows what will have back on Dee. Flo. Ain't nothing special but their nothing special beats our haven't got a clue all day long!

toledocane

I like your take native :)

NativeCane

100,000 bitter blog posts will be forgotten on 8/31/19 when Linguard is unleashed on a field of unsuspecting reptiles and the turnover chain is passed around like a newborn at a christening and your Miami Hurricanes roll the Florida Gators up like a half dry booger.... Lol.... Until then do what Cane fans do.......

Herbieibis

Dam, Soup with those Spanish words magnum cum lawdy u should be a smart individual.

Terrance Sullivan

Soup and Solar y'all got me loling so hard hahaha.

SOUP

A. A good amount but it was worth every penny.

B. More than my wife could ever imagine, but hey it's all about The U.

C. I could have therapy two sessions a day for five years and still have money in the bank.

D. They will name a building for me one day.

Posted by: solarcane | December 16, 2018 at 06:13 PM

While studying at UM between 1981-1986 my favorite answer was ALWAYS all of the above. At the time I was a Dean's List student with a 3.83 GPA and graduated Cum Laude. Those were some REALLY good times.

However, at the current time and in this particular case the correct answer is A & B and sometimes C, but never D.

solarcane

Posted by: Go Canes!! | December 16, 2018 at 06:27 PM

That feeling in the Orange Bowl after the UCLA game is etched in my mind forever, everybody's face was like
Hell Yea!!
You are right some of those moments make this cluster seem worth it.

solarcane

Not deep, but I can dig it.

Posted by: SOUP | December 16, 2018 at 06:44 PM

That's what...

SOUP

I was once optimistic, uh about 10 years ago and then we had that no doze Shannon for a head coach and Jaboney (color blind) Harris at QB. Somebody slapped me and it wuzz 10 years later and I'm still living the nightmare.

Posted by: Herbieibis | December 16, 2018 at 03:43 PM

Story of my life.

Herbieibis

I wish my dam phone could spell as well as I do. Android sux.

SOUP

Money for nothing... chicks for free

Posted by: solarcane | December 16, 2018 at 03:34 PM

Not deep, but I can dig it.

SOUP

Until we get beyond our fears, self interests, and egos to create this place, we will continue down the path to destruction.

Posted by: TruCane81 | December 16, 2018 at 03:14 PM

#DeeperThoughts

SOUP

Liberty has train wrecked into sensibility and as a society, We are not emotionally prepared to deal with the COMPLEX quagmire of sexual violence AND the false accusation of sexual violence.

Posted by: TruCane81 | December 16, 2018 at 01:37 PM

#DeepThoughts

SOUP

Herb,CoCane,Soup and Beeri could snap at any moment and burn Coral Gables to the ground.

Posted by: solarcane | December 16, 2018 at 01:30 PM

I hear that dumpster fires are fairly common in the 305. Wouldn't be surprised if they spread to Coral Gables by accident? Who knows???

Herbieibis

I would say they had a sucks but The Herb is jealous because he doesn't have the same oops u guys that live in Flo. I have to wait every other year for them to play ilat Duke or UNC to see them play. The agony or ecstasy only happens every 2 years.
I did not go to school at Day but I am as die hard as u can get for the last 36 years and have the tats to prove it. I read every blog, newspaper recruiting blog, all things da u, especially recruiting. Started doing that with Street and Smith in 1970.

SOUP

JP is the kind of player that knows how to get open, catch the football and make plays. JP is confident and has a magnetic personality.

Posted by: BigWindyCane | December 16, 2018 at 12:01 PM

Inside story my wife used to work with his aunt at State Farm in Winter Haven. He is a good kid and gonna be a stud! Feature article on him soon.

SOUP

Soup Either my prediction of a 8 either will be proven correct or I will owe U a Philly cheese steak lol.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | December 16, 2018 at 10:40 AM

Extra Cheese Please!

Go Canes!!

Posted by: solarcane | December 16, 2018 at 06:13 PM

I’ve tried to look at it like a cross country road trip.

Forget about the 14 hours you drove that day and just remember how much the family enjoyed the Grand Canyon.

I try and enjoy Bandy’s Pick Six against the Irish, beating the Turds last time we played them, Randy beating Ohio State and Kaaya completing 16 straight.

Otherwise.....

solarcane

Bang for the Buck
vs
What the hell was I Thinking

The saga of 86Cane

Soup I have wondered about this a couple times.
You are as avid a Canes fan as I have ever known.

Say from 2008 to 2018 if you were to add up all the Canes related activities, gear, games, away games, Canespace internet site, shirts, giveaways, Cane related roadtrips etc.

Not counting rafting, golf and stuff that is actually fun to do. How much do you estimate you have invested in the Decade of Drowsiness?

A. A good amount but it was worth every penny.

B. More than my wife could ever imagine, but hey it's all about The U.

C. I could have therapy two sessions a day for five years and still have money in the bank.

D They will name a building for me one day.

Herbieibis

Canespacers, our problems ain't Baylor or Penn. St, that's their problem. Obviously it didn't hurt Penn. St to long, they have made it back. Time, apparently heals old wounds. In college football fans forget real quick the bad stuff and never forget the good. We are like that. We, well not The Herb constantly talk about Butch Davis, just like it was yesterday. Every time a coaching change is mentioned, it's Butch. We don't talk about Pell grants or all the rule changes in college football because how rude we were to our opponents back in the day. Hugh freeze he been forgiven and Saban has no problem with giving coaches a second chance as long as they help him win. Briles, will be the same way, at least the son. Our problems have nothing to do with Baylor.

solarcane

Briles May be one of the smaller fish in the Baylor scum pond...

Eloquent

DallasTX Cane

You’re not wrong, TruCane81. Young Briles probably has less “direct responsibility” than many others including admin and law enforcement. But, how do such systems exist & survive? Only because everyone has an easy “what can I really do?...it’s not really my fault” way out. Exchange Jews for women & multiply the crimes by 1M, what do you get? Yeah, extreme example. I know. This scandal wasn’t a bunch of “entertainment ladies” suddenly discovering next morning regret. There were female student athletes assaulted, multiple arrests, several convictions. The coverup occurred over 4 years. At least one of the players involved had been dismissed from a Power 5 program for previous sexual assault. The University president & AD both resigned in addition to Papa Briles. That school got off light in my opinion. Same as Penn St got off light.

My righteous indignation comment is directed towards the Penn St deserved the death penalty crowd that still refers to Pedi U and such but yet can’t look past Briles’ past sins fast enough. If Baylor had beat Miami in the Fiesta Bowl in 86 and Penn St was an obscure never won nothing program, they’d want Sandusky for DC and Trump to build a wall around Waco.

Briles May be one of the smaller fish in the Baylor scum pond but to the “no proof hire him”... give me a break. He reeks of it.

Terrance Sullivan

Lol everyone on here and rightfully so gave Penn State the Bizness, but you got some on here making excuses for Baylor lol I just can't with some of y'all. Beyond Sad.

TruCane81


Read up on the story. This ain’t a one off he said/she said. If the school was a CANE rival or program that won a NC by beating the CANES and not some obscure private school far away, u guys would be blowing up with righteous indignation.

Posted by: DallasTX Cane | December 16, 2018 at 03:52 PM


No, this is different.

There are credible allegations in this scandal as opposed to many other scandals around.

I am speaking to the big picture of how things got to this point, Baylor and beyond.

I could care less if we hire Briles or not.

Personally I like Yost and Bedenbaugh.

But the righteous indignation you speak of is why I bothered to post on this topic.

The way he is being dealt with is exactly why people turn a blind eye to wrongdoing. As oc working 10-16 hour days at the program, what was he supposed to do given EVERYTHING that was going on?

He told recruits the truth that Baylor had a lot of “white women” that liked football players. Between the drugs, guns, and sexual impropriety, it was a mess. He was supposed to throw himself on the sword in the midst of a multimillion dollar operation over possibly hearing rumors?

He is not a cop or administrator. Who reported these incidents to him? I guess you can say he should suspend/dismiss guys, but even that isn’t his call. So what then he quits and goes on a crusade to destroy his FATHER?

It’s easy to stand around and be indignant about what someone else should do. I do it al the time with Mark Richt, but this is different.

The sheepish nature of humans is why I always look at systems first when assessing a situation. People are weak and they go where they are lead 99% the time.

Rather than speculate on what someone else should or should not have known or done, I focus on how we make it so easy for people to do the weak things that they do so predictably.

solarcane

u guys would be blowing up with righteous indignation.

Posted by: DallasTX Cane | December 16, 2018 at 03:52

It's a Canes thing, its what we do. lol

solarcane

Posted by: AeroCane | December 16, 2018 at 02:43 PM

You are correct, we need that fire

DallasTX Cane

Hey! Instead of taking the coward easy way out, Mark “I suk at everything & always have” Richt should’ve grown a pair... I hear there’s a dam good DC in an easy to find location. Jerry Sandusky has some free time on his hands these days. He deserves a 2nd chance, right?

DallasTX Cane

LOL. Look at all the excuse making flying around now! So being a “tough guy badazz FAN” is holding coaches accountable for teaching football & managing games. NO EXCUSES. JUST WIN”.

But 50+ women... people bring complaints, raise accusations etc. and now only 1 guy is accountable?!? The rest are blameless because there’s NO PROOF. THERES NO PROOF BECAUSE THE ACCUSATIONS WERE BURIED... NOT PURSUED... NOT INVESTIGATED... STANDARD PROCEDURES IN THE EVENT OF POSSIBLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY WERE NOT FOLLOWED.

Read up on the story. This ain’t a one off he said/she said. If the school was a CANE rival or program that won a NC by beating the CANES and not some obscure private school far away, u guys would be blowing up with righteous indignation.

Herbieibis

Solar, have already snapped and spent several nights in da calaboose for our losing transgressions. The Herb hates being an afterthought, which we are once again. I was once optimistic, uh about 10 years ago and then we had that no doze Shannon for a head coach and Jaboney (color blind) Harris at QB. Somebody slapped me and it wuzz 10 years later and I'm still living the nightmare.

Go Canes!!

Posted by: TruCane81 | December 16, 2018 at 03:14 PM

You destroy his career because he let a systematic rape culture run rampant. What anyone else is or isn’t doing anywhere else is irrelevant.

solarcane

Money for nothing... chicks for free

TruCane81

Posted by: Go Canes!! | December 16, 2018 at 02:06 PM


It goes both ways, Go.

People cover up for their interests on both sides of the topic.

What else was Baylor gonna do?

They created a cesspool for money and their greed let it become out of control.

They put profit above lives the same way the radical feminist agenda does.

We don’t care who we destroy as long as it makes an extra buck.

People with daughters tend to side on the protection of women at ANY AND ALL COSTS.

I know first hand that this is myopic view is silly and destructive. Selective accountability always ends in disaster.

There is reason previous generations separated the sexes and married hem early. We dismantled that system without careful consideration for the consequences.

Now vested interests are running amok and using our natures against us for profit and we are not taking the honest, courageous, and balanced mindset necessary to protect our people.

How can you destroy Briles career given the SYSTEMIC nature of what happened at Baylor? People as a whole are NEVER better than the systems that control them.

Dave Chappell made a brilliant comment when talking about the dark side of Hollywood that in order to change corrupt systems and improve human behavior, you have to give people a safe place to acknowledge their role in the system, because the perpetrators are often victims as well.

Until we get beyond our fears, self interests, and egos to create this place, we will continue down the path to destruction.

AeroCane

Go - and if you watched the games (and I know you do lol) you’d see he wasn’t targeted enough nor properly many of the times.

Solar - JJ had an urgency and fire that you see in saben, urban, etc that richt can’t even imagine in his wildest dreams. No, nothing will change - we will lose our 4 or 5 and richt should be fired!

Go Canes!!

Posted by: TruCane81 | December 16, 2018 at 01:37 PM


I 25 and 21 year old daughters, a 14 year old step daughter and a 24 and 22 year old nieces. Two of them went away to major universities, one of which was FSU.

They all told me there is a coverup culture for athletes. Baylor is that culture gone rampantly wrong, especially when you consider it is a Christian University with a very small enrollment by big time football standards.

There is absolutely ZERO chance the conduct of those players in that small town, small school envinronment.

Ignorance is the most cowardly defense they could possibly have taken.

solarcane

TruCane81

Great post

Just like most studies have proved, you aren't really mature in the frontal lobe till about 25 ( think car insurance premiums) and women little older.
I think what you said was spot on.

TruCane81


Doe they lie 52 times?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/01/27/baylor-lawsuits-52-rapes-football-players/97157276/

Posted by: Go Canes!! | December 16, 2018 at 11:48 AM


They lie when it is necessary, convenient, and profitable.

An atmosphere such as one created at Baylor was a tragedy in the making. We have to protect our young women AND men from themselves

They used attractive young women to lure stud athletes with an official policy of no sex but ignored when consensual sex occurred.

I know many of you are older and have no personal experience with today’s sexual free for all, but it is INTENSE. The women are driving sexual aggression as much if not more so than the men.

Women who are not emotionally ready for the consequences get caught up in the fray.

So you get a whole lot of cover for rapists and a whole lot of false accusations.

The worst part is, in general there is usually no real evidence to determine who is telling the truth.

Liberty has train wrecked into sensibility and as a society, We are not emotionally prepared to deal with the COMPLEX quagmire of sexual violence AND the false accusation of sexual violence.

solarcane

WINN,Aero,Sully,DTX,GoCanes,
Good discussion about our feelings on the subject. The thing we all have in common is we are sick and tired of being sick and tired.

I remember when JJ came here after Howard S. I wasn't real happy, but I was wrong for sure.
Richt might get us going in spite of himself.

We Cane fans have been dealt some shtty hands for a long time, and I can say the folks on Canespace are true fans.

Guys like AfriCane and windy remain optimistic and see progress which some of us overlook.

Sully,roach,DTX,VA,native,skool,have had the sharp edges worn smooth and cope with it.

Herb,CoCane,Soup and Beeri could snap at any moment and burn Coral Gables to the ground.


Herbieibis

Ah, wouldn't it be nice to be Bama for one recruiting cycle. 24 croots. 23 four and five star players. The lone 3 star is a kicker. Reading where they even project Jordan Battle to Bama. Us poor dumpster divers are flipping App.St. croots.

Go Canes!!


Posted by: AeroCane | December 16, 2018 at 12:28 PM

Aero, Thomas was the team leader in catches, yards and targets.

AeroCane

That would be outstanding Windy if our idiotic coach knew how to use them. Langham, cager and Wiggins over Pope, Hightower and Thomas is unforgiving (and yes I said Thomas because having those others in took away valuable snaps) AND as others said, how many times was the Wrong receiver used in the route (ie a Short guy for a fade, a slow, big guy rather than a speedy guy etc); how many passes was he going to let cager and Wiggins drop until he used the clearly more talented better guys;
What a shame this guy is still our OC and making the kind of money he makes!
Windy, there’s NO sugar coating this cluster f..k!

BigWindyCane

If the Canes get Haselwood, Payton and one more (such as TJ Jones, Dunmore, or some other WR on its board), that will be another top-ranked WR class for the Canes

BigWindyCane

He’s always,” Brown said, “been a part of something big.”

Posted by: Go Canes!! | December 16, 2018 at 08:49 AM

JP is definitely a Jacksonville legend. I also heard that he is a pretty good basketball player. I am surprised he only ran a 4.74, although I heard somewhere that Jerry Rice was a 4.7 receiver. I don’t think Michael Irvin was a burner either, but they both are in the HOF. Plus, it’s not uncommon for some FLORIDA HS recruits to dramatically improve their 40 times after they arrive in college and get into college training programs.

I watched JP at the Hurricane camps. I didn’t have to look for JP, because he really stood out. Hazelwood, who I also like a lot, ran a few individual drills then shut it down. However, JP competed on every rep, and you could see that competition was fun to him. JP talked smack, but it was clean and makes him likable.

JP is the kind of player that knows how to get open, catch the football and make plays. JP is confident and has a magnetic personality.

Go Canes!!

Posted by: WWIN | December 16, 2018 at 11:29 AM

Doe they lie 52 times?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/01/27/baylor-lawsuits-52-rapes-football-players/97157276/

WWIN

Posted by: DallasTX Cane | December 16, 2018 at 10:20 AM

I hold the HEAD COACH accountable for it... not his assistants without PROOF.

So in this case Art Briles is responsible NOT Kendall Briles.

WWIN

Well Tony... Richt is hollowing this roster out!

TonyCane

AeroCane
Beer - I feel your pain! This sucks and is depressing.

Posted by: AeroCane | December 16, 2018 at 10:12 AM

Like any other coach, if Richt fails then ultimately he will not be here. If that happens, I want the talent base to be as strong as possible for his successor. I'd rather his successor be granted a roster that had the balance of Richt's in 2016, rather than the hollowed out roster that Golden had in 2011 where the bulk of the talent were juniors and seniors thanks to two disastrous recruiting classes in 2010 and 2011. Or the imbalanced roster that Shannon inherited in 2007, where our numbers on offense almost compelled us to adopt a Triple Option.

WWIN

Posted by: solarcane | December 16, 2018 at 02:20 AM

This would be true if Kendall Briles was found guilty of something... but y'all are making him guilty by association. Women do lie about being raped too you know?

Even if so... should he not be allowed a second chance?

Go Canes!!

Posted by: DallasTX Cane | December 16, 2018 at 10:20 AM

💯

Not knowing once? Ok.

Not knowing twice? Ok.

Not knowing three times? You’re failing at your job.

Not knowing 50 times?

You have no business EVER working with young people in any capacity again.

AeroCane

On a positive note:
Jess Simpson is the real deal and I think Rousseau (if Healthy) is going to be a monster! A future 1st rounder

Terrance Sullivan

Soup Either my prediction of a 8 either will be proven correct or I will owe U a Philly cheese steak lol.

Terrance Sullivan

DTXCANE Preach Brotha.

DallasTX Cane


DTX as usual you have my back, thanks

Posted by: solarcane | December 16, 2018 at 02:08 AM

I do agree with U frequently Solar but not always. Lol. It’s hypocracy for us to consistently high brow Penn St about Paterno and what he knew or didn’t know and what his staff and their school admin knew or didn’t know but then advocate for Briles. Any man with a daughter, sister, niece, mother etc ought to be disgusted with Baylor and everyone associated with that staff.

SOUP

1. Either it works and Richt will be proven correct by sticking with the defensive staff or it fails and he will get fired.

2. Any more questions?

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | December 15, 2018 at 11:57 PM

1. Correct.

2. Not for now, but I will be back later.

Just remember, you gave the decision an 8. Thanks for playing!

AeroCane

Beer - I feel your pain! This sucks and is depressing.

DallasTX Cane

Is saben taking out his starter in the championship game for a freshman ‘a win at all costs’ or simply a great, gutsy move that won him a championship?

//

The starter was injured and the O stunk up the entire 1st half. Saban had no choice initially to replace an injured starter. He was smart to continue to play the backup when it was obvious he provided a spark to the O and momentum swung in favor of roll tide. Smart move but no different than what 50 other HCs would’ve done.

I’d say that Dabo replacing a starter mid season while winning was a much more gutsy move.

TonyCane

So you would prefer Payton to sign elsewhere to teach Richt and the BOT a lesson? Likewise with Hasselwood? Presumably, Linegard, Pope, Dallas, Rousseau, Davis, Perry, Weldon, and Williams should transfer now, right? Take that to its conclusion, and we’re routing for no signees and for every player to transfer for their own good.

How is that any different than what Emmett wanted to do to the program in 2012?

Herbieibis

Aero,
Saban doesn't have to try and find playing time for his 5 stars, he is 5 star 2 and 3 deep at most positions.
Where Saban gets it, is he has great offensive and defensive lines. Until this year's his QB's have been good not great but now he has a QB who can throw. There are only 2 to 3 teams that could beat them. Georgia, Clemson and Ohio St.
Our situation is dire. Richt's offense is stale. Would it work if we could develop a QB, yes. Would it work if we had talent on the oh line, especially at tackle, sure it would. We have neither of those 2 things. Did we have WR's open on plays and miss them, yes!
Did we drop passes yes. He can dial up plays but us executing them is another thing and that is where coaching has failed. Our QB'S can't read defenses. Our WR'S are shitty route runners. Are the coaches telling us that Langham and Cager are our best 2 WR'S?
With the talent we have on that side of the ball, especially on the line, we have no business trying to run a pro style offense. Bama can because they a oh line full if Mack Trucks. I'm surprised his youthful son has not been in his ear to change but maybe he hasn't said anything because that would mean he was a failure as a QB coach.
All The Herb knows is that we pissed that season away because of an array of offensive mistakes plus special teams. This offense is better suited for the spread. All he has to do is look at the oh line talent and what he is recruiting to figure that one out. I mean swiping kids from App. St. And a 245 lb at that to be future tackle. We don't projects, we need players who can play now. We've had 15 decoms in this year's class alone and that should tell all of us what they think of Day.

BEERicane

JP, just another highly touted recruit who will get buried on the depth chart behind lesser players but when he does get some burn will only be out there for the vintage Richt run(into L tackle ass)-run(into R tackle ass)-run(into tackle ass of your choosing)-punt sequences. Richt is the worst.

Go Canes!!

Anyway...good article on our top incoming recruit:

Jeremiah Payton is an ‘urban legend’ in Jacksonville. He’s ready to go national at UM

BY DAVID WILSON

DECEMBER 15, 2018 12:18 PM

It doesn’t matter if the number is actually 21 or it’s just what Jeremiah Payton estimates now.

Twenty-one is the number which lives on in the Payton household like it’s some sort of urban legend.

Twenty-one — the number of touchdowns Payton ran for in eight games in his first season of organized football.

Payton can immediately call up the number, and so can his mother and father. It didn’t take anyone long to know Payton maybe had a future in the sport.

In this first season, Payton was a 6-year-old quarterback trying to mold his game after Cam Newton — he still calls the quarterback his favorite player — and it always looked to Shayla Payton like her son was running for dear life.

Payton, actually, had made scoring touchdowns a friendly competition with his running back. As he remembers it, Payton finished with 21 touchdowns. The running back finished with 20.

“We was like going back and forth with it,” Payton said. “I just kept getting better.”

Payton never really diverted from this trajectory. At 13, Payton was a national champion. At 14, he had colleges reaching out to him before he even played a varsity game.

On Wednesday, Payton will take his next step. Now a four-star wide receiver in 247Sports.com composite rankings, Payton will sign his National Letter of Intent with the Miami Hurricanes. Next month, he’ll suit up for the Under Armour All-America Game, then enroll at Miami.

Payton will almost certainly be the top-ranked public signee for the Hurricanes on Wednesday and because he’s an early enrollee he’s perfectly positioned to be one of the their most productive freshmen next fall.

He’s been on track for this since before he even began playing organized football.

Payton grew up glued to the television when college football games were on. He mainlined Newton highlights and videos of Chris Johnson from when the running back played for the Central Florida Knights. He told everyone he couldn’t wait to play in college. He even managed to needle his father by out-scheming him in the annual “Madden NFL” video games.

“I couldn’t beat him,” James Payton said. “He was studying in it. I was actually just playing, but he was actually really trying to study. He knew the plays, he knew the routes to run, stuff like that.”

Between Payton’s fascination with the game and the 21 touchdowns he scored as a 6-year-old, everyone figured Payton was destined for something. By the time he reached high school, Payton had already made a name for himself in the Jacksonville metropolitan area.

The fall before Payton began high school, he was a running back for the Oakleaf Knights and helped bring home a United Youth Football League national championship.

“Everybody knew who Jeremiah Payton was,” Fletcher coach Kevin Brown said. “What do you call that? An urban legend? He was an urban legend.”


A year later, Brown got to see the legend firsthand. Payton played junior varsity his freshman fall, then spent the spring working with the varsity. College coaches who stopped by in Neptune Beach started to take notice.

The Southern Mississippi Golden Eagles were the first to make an offer to Payton before the end of the spring, but Miami, Payton said, was the big-name program to finally get things rolling. Special teams coordinator Todd Hartley, who recruits the First Coast for the Hurricanes, watched Payton and told him he was impressed.

“He was just telling me the potential I had,” Payton said. “When he was telling me that I just kind of sat myself down and was like just noticing I have the potential that college coaches like.”

By the end of his sophomore year, Payton was no longer just a local legend. The North Carolina Tar Heels, Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, Florida Gators, Georgia Bulldogs, Mississippi State Bulldogs, Rutgers Scarlet Knights and Miami all offered by the end of 2016. They had all seen his full-extension diving touchdown catch against Lake City Columbia and the devastating crackback block he leveled against Ponte Vedra.

Really, it didn’t even take an official game, though. Fletcher made the short trip to Jacksonville White for its preseason classic where Payton made a play Brown still can’t help but talk about. The receiver ran a tunnel screen and the quarterback’s throw was headed way over his head. Payton managed to reach up and pull the ball in with one hand. He didn’t just save a doomed play — Payton turned upfield, weaved through the White defense and dashed 30 yards for a touchdown.


No two Payton highlights look the same, and even now it’s hard to pin down one skill at which Payton most excels. At The Opening Miami regional in February, Payton only measured in at 6-foot-1 and 186 pounds, but he’s a viable jump-threat. He only ran a 4.74-second 40-yard dash at the camp, but he has no trouble getting separation.

“He’s that guy that every coach looks for that’s all in one,” said Koreen Burch, Payton’s 7-on-7 coach at Burch Sports Performance. “He’s not your very fast guy, but he knows how to create separation. He knows how to get open. He knows how to use his big body.”

This fall, Payton made a full-time return to wide receiver after splitting time between wideout and quarterback as a junior. He guided the Senators to the postseason with 52 catches for 638 yards and five touchdowns, plus 13 carries for 231 yards and another two punt-return touchdowns. He even chipped in on defense occasionally, finishing the year with 42 tackles and two interception despite playing safety for the first time.

Since he committed to the Hurricanes, Payton hasn’t seriously considered any other schools, which wound up being a major coup for Miami. Ahmmon Richards, who began 2018 as the Hurricanes’ No. 1 wide receiver, suffered a career ending injury after catching just one pass this fall. Jeff Thomas, who began the year as Miami’s No. 2 wide receiver, was dismissed from the program last month. The Hurricanes’ top-ranked commit will arrive on campus at just the right time.

Miami’s offense has major questions. Almost everyone in the Jacksonville area will say Payton can be one of the answers.

“He’s always,” Brown said, “been a part of something big.”

orange 'n green in the vein

Ah, time to activate the sid-tard GD bot defense force. Fake Lames, shit coaching staffs and bot's born sliding into home plate thinking they hit a home run, he'll slurp all of them deeper than anybody else and won't stop sid-tard posting until he's made a sid-tard of himself for the world's amusement at his own expense.

He raved he got great 'value' in a team that lost more than it won under the worst coach in Miami football history, so obviously 2018 is his wet dream, a shit product that sold all the tickets on the illusion of progress before nobody decided to go through the gates for a garbage team that needed all the cupcakes to get above .500 for the year. Next year he reaps what Fake Lames sowed for all of the sid-tard crew on the attendance drop though, that'll be hilarious watching him try and police who counts as a 'real fan' then through attempted blog shaming posts . . .

AeroCane

T - good morning!
Go, lol

I did say the alumni should choose the bot and they would hire the coaches- after rethinking, the alumni should be able to vote in a few bot members not all.
After rethinking again, let’s just hire saben! We know how much he loves Miami! Lol

Go Canes!!

If alumni were allowed to choose the HC, Saban would be coaching every team in America.

Terrance Sullivan

Aerocane total Agreement.

AeroCane

We lost to a GT team that fired their coach; we lost to a BC team that lost to a historically bad FSU team; we lost to a bad va team and we lost to Duke! He didn’t play his 5 star rb nor his 5 star wr- yet saben and Dabo always find ways to get there 5 stars playing time!
Richt is not the right guy and hopefully he’ll get fired next year or quit sooner

AeroCane

T, I agree but one example is lousy
I gave other points of coaches winning at all costs legally and we are stuck with righteous Richt who won’t even admit he needs an OC and a special teams coach and a qb coach!
Remember what the law school told my daughter 2 years ago: their applications skyrocketed the week after we destroyed notre Dame! The school flourishes if we win!
We need to win! And win now but we won’t with richt!

Terrance Sullivan

I guess Aerocane miss the whole their is plenty of available Offensive Gurus to chose from. There is no need to get in the weeds with Briles there are plenty others with less baggage pick one and keep it moving playa.

AeroCane

Gimme a breakwith this ‘win at all costs mentality’; the guy gets effing paid like $4mil a year - he’s paid to win not be nice; you can win and do it legally; I know we don’t like saben, but what’s he done (other than effing win e eruehere he’s been on the college level) that makes you say this stupid phrase of ‘win at all costs’
For example, Clemson was winning with Bryant, and the ‘nice guy’ would have been satisfied, but a great coach takes him out for a true freshman and is in the top 4. Not nice, but the right, gutsy move - is that what you’re calling ‘win at all costs’?
Is saben taking out his starter in the championship game for a freshman ‘a win at all costs’ or simply a great, gutsy move that won him a championship?
Hiring briles is one bad example of your so called ‘win at all costs’ where it’s accurate but name some more?
Is win at all costs, our idiotic bot saying richt you suck and this is what we require or you’re going to be fired?
If we want to compete with the big boys (which we haven’t in 10 or so years), we need to act like them!
Again, I hate to say it, but next year will be miserable but the good news is richt should be gone at the end or sooner if FSU crushes us like I’m thinking they might (they got way better, are recruiting way better and can barely hang on to 3 stars and still have no qb coach or OC)

Terrance Sullivan

SolarCane and DTXCane gets it.

solarcane

long as we're considered the good guys right?

Posted by: WWIN | December 15, 2018 at 10:54 PM
WWIN,
I want us to be relevant again, and be back at the top just like you do.
I know in today's climate being considered a good guy isn't as popular as winning at any cost to your dignity
but it certainly isn't a bad way to try and conduct yourself and your team no?

solarcane

DTX as usual you have my back, thanks

His Majesty The Dude on High

I think hiring back Jedd Fisch would be maybe not a home run, but certain a base clearing double.

His Majesty The Dude on High

I didnt know some of that stuff with Kendal. F*ck him if its true. I wanted Mike Yurcich for forever anyways. Now hes off to Tennessee. Wouldnt surprise me if FSU got Briles, good fit now that I have more info, they have no standards and neither does he.

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