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April 21, 2019

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86Cane

NEW BLOG IS UP!

NativeCane

He's also a punter Skool, can never have too many of those guys.

Old Skool

Say hello to our new QB Tyler Van Dyke

Go Canes!!

Comparing 4/5⭐️ commits (2013-2015) vs. NFL Draft Picks (2017-2019)

These programs were best at player development:

+40 Utah (#14 Picks, #54 Recruiting)
+35 Boston College
+32 Iowa
+26 NC State
+24 Wisconsin
+17 Colorado
+16 Washington
+15 Miami
+14 TCU
+9 Florida
+8 OU

86Cane

Oh, was there a point? I must have missed it?

Go Canes!!

Posted by: raizcane | April 29, 2019 at 01:11 PM

It’s what we do here.

raizcane

You guys totally missed the point..... just saying.

solarcane

A different perspective on G Willis

Pro Football Talk

So Willis was a one-year starter, was kicked off his first college team, missed a full season on his second college team with personal issues, missed time with injuries in his only season as a starter, and didn’t work out at the Combine because of injuries. The story should probably be less that it’s a surprise Willis went undrafted than that it’s a surprise Kiper thought Willis would be drafted in the first three rounds.

86Cane

How about we win all of our games this year and have an offense that can score 30PPG?

Or how about we all have a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich with a nice cold glass of milk and call it a day? IJS

solarcane

How about TV gives each player that dresses for a televised game a
realistic graduation gift at graduation based on how many times they played on that network and the profit margins for those games? And the school matches it?

Go Canes!!

Fan attendance is just a small part of the revenue in college football.

TV money is what makes it rain in shamateurism.

Terrance Sullivan

Preach Solar, Native, and Soupster!

86Cane

TV couldn't come close to that "something in the air tonight feeling."

Posted by: solarcane | April 29, 2019 at 09:55 AM

U got that right!

I wasn't until last year that Hard Rock felt anything at all like the OB. The stadium modifications and the fans made it feel like something special was happening once again.

The turnover chain would come out and the place would go crazy! Then our offense would come out and the QB would clap his hands a few times, then throw the ball incomplete to nobody in particular and instantly kill any momentum we may have created.

Then I would have to go get another $10 beer I swore I would never pay for...

NativeCane

As one who never took the easy path I can relate but the path Gerald Willis III is taking to greatness is a tough one.
I predict he will arrive at the quarterback with bad intent and make TSully very happy.
The Ravens may even become my second.....

solarcane

Flutey,
dam you auto korrect

solarcane

soup,
good catch on the article.

Raize,
A lot of fans enjoy the pageantry and vibe if being around other college football fans. To me nothing was as exhilarating as a night game in the Orange Bowl. I would pay double the ticket price to be truthful.
TV couldn't come close to that "something in the air tonight feeling."

Millions of guys like Terrence live for a chance to be with their friends and enjoy that game day environment. It is good for the soul.

There are other fake fans that go through life with the FOMO addiction.
That is why according to sports blogs there were around 600,000 people in the Orange Bowl when Flurry unleashed the dagger in the heart hail Mary.
Jmo


raizecane

Don't piss off Avengers fans......

‘Avengers’ fans rough up man who ‘loudly’ spoiled the ending

raizecane

Someone may have said this....someone may disagree but if you want to stop the rise of salaries (coaches, professional sports, etc) there is a way to control it and we have the power. STOP GOING / WATCHING games.

We are paying for these salaries and we can stop this madness if we all band together.

If everyone can go just one day without buying a vehicle, the car industry would take a huge hit and possibly....just possibly, rethink charging what they do for a car and make it more affordable to the consumer. Power to the people is spot on.....

Just my Monday morning "take it for what its worth" moment.

AfriCane

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AfriCane

And the fact that everyone is tight lipped about the GWIII situation is crazy. There r always leaks. But on this one, nothing. Did he kill someone?
Please share info when anyone finds out.

86Cane

"The graduation rates of players in the Football Bowl Subdivision are still twenty points below their male campus peers and worsened in the past three years," Moran wrote in a Facebook post.

We’ve already fact-checked two Moran statements about big-time college sports but we thought this was worth a look, too. We gave Moran a True rating for to his claim that only 20 colleges athletic departments generate bottom-line profits. We gave him a Mostly True for his claim that a college coaches is the highest- paid public employee in 40 states.

We’ll start our look at Moran’s statement about graduation rates with a definition of Football Bowl Subdivision -- the term the congressman used to qualify his statement.

There are 1,083 colleges and universities competing in sports that fall under the NCAA’s governance. The Football Bowl subdivision is the top tier of college sports competition, comprised of 123 schools that are eligible to compete in bowl games and have average attendance of at least 15,000 at their home games.

Moran’s spokesman, Thomas Scanlon, said the congressman’s statement was based on 2011 and 2014 reports from the College Sport Research Institute at the University of South Carolina. The institute has published reports on the graduation rates of students and athletes since 2010-11.

The institute analyzes two sets of graduation data -- one from the federal government for all students and one from the NCAA for college athletes -- and adjusts them into comparable statistics. The greatest difference is that the federal graduation rate tracks part-time as well as full-time students. All school athletes are required to carry a full-time load. The institute computes the percentage of athletes and regular students who complete their undergraduate degrees in six years.

The 2011 report compares football players to other male students who started college from 2000 to 2003. The study focused on FBS schools that belong to Power 5 conferences -- the Big XII, Southeastern Conference, Atlantic Coast Conference, Big Ten and Pac-12.

FBS football players graduated at a rate 17.8 percentage points below other male students -- 55.1 percent for the players compared to 72.9 percent for the others.

The 2014 report compared male students and football players who started college between 2003 and 2006 and found the numbers had not changed dramatically. The athletes graduated at a rate 17.5 percentage points below other male students -- 57.4 percent for the athletes compared to 74.9 percent for the others.

86Cane

Approximately half of the players in the National Football League have college degrees. This is a better ratio than any other major sports league and is partially due to the drafting process.

The NFL does not have a minor-league system like other major league sports do. The NFL only recruits players from college through a draft, so many players have finished their college education before they ever play for an NFL team.

86Cane

About 1.6% of college players make it to the NFL.


Note that these are players who were actually drafted, but a handful of others eventually make it to a pro team as undrafted free agents. However, that’s so uncommon that these outliers would have a negligible affect on these percentages.

solarcane

Georgia Tech qbs 324 yds passing in spring game, most spring game passing yds in 10 years. The players are stoked on tv here. New coach says they bought into new offense day one.

86Cane

So on another point, I agree with Solar's earlier post. Pay them like employees ($400K over 4 years) or give them benefits of full ride scholarships like college athletes. One or the other, not both. They can't be both.

If you give $100K a year to ALL college athletes with no strings attached how many of them are going to spend it on tuition, and books and tutors and other things like that versus cars and houses and, well, you know?

Then what you have is a mini NFL with the same greed and corruption but much less maturity. Sounds fool proof right!

86Cane

Things you seldom see posted here

Posted by: solarcane | April 28, 2019 at 09:46 PM

Fair is fair.

Give credit where credit is due and it will come back to you.

86Cane

1. I am legit curious. Why don't you want to see the players get paid? You mention benefits they receive. But I can't recall you saying why you think they shouldn't be paid. Which is a different statement than the benefits they receive.

2. So to be clear, why do you not want to see them receive monetary compensation if the market can bear it?

Posted by: HillviewCane | April 28, 2019 at 07:03 PM

1. I am legit curious. Why don't you want the players to get benefits of their scholarship if they are getting paid? You mention the players being paid. But I can't recall you saying why you think they shouldn't be getting benefits of around $400,000 that no other student gets. Which is a different statement than them getting paid.

2. So to be clear why don't you want to see them getting benefits if they are getting paid? Then they will not need scholarships because if they really wanted one (most don't) then they could pay for it and it would be just like the NFL?

And you know that why don't we pay all students in all sports? The one and done rule in college basketball is a joke. The skipping college baseball to join the minor leagues in baseball is also a joke. Only 10% can follow this path.

How many wind up in the MLB or NBA? And the ones that don't in basketball and baseball have NO DEGREE to speak of and yet you don't care at all, now do you? And when the 90% don't make it what do they have to fall back on? NOTHING!

solarcane

It was Go Canes idea, but I liked it also.

Posted by: 86Cane | April 28, 2019 at 09

Things you seldom see posted here

86Cane

I think it was Soups idea that I liked. Put the money in an investment account for 4 years. They don't get that money till they graduate college....now you would have more kids staying.

Posted by: thirstybuzzardcane | April 28, 2019 at 08:44 PM

It was Go Canes idea, but I liked it also.

thirstybuzzardcane

Pros will tell you college is a lot more fun than the league. You will get more students staying the 4 years if they get paid.

Posted by: HillviewCane | April 28, 2019 at 07:10 PM

True, but no way they are staying if they are getting paid year by year. I think it was Soups idea that I liked. Put the money in an investment account for 4 years. They don't get that money till they graduate college....now you would have more kids staying.

solarcane

HillviewCane
I hope it works out for Willis

Posted by: HillviewCane | April 28, 2019 at 07:11 PM

No kidding, I thought we were gonna have to talk you down off the ledge last night.

TonyCane

Wrong on Malik...saw a fake posting that he had been drafted by the 49ers in the 6th.

Galagos

Question: Am I forgetting about someone or were Michael Jackson and Joe Jackson the first Canes drafted by the Cowboys since Kevin Williams and Darrin Smith in 1993?

HillviewCane

I hope it works out for Willis

HillviewCane

Posted by: thirstybuzzardcane | April 27, 2019 at 02:54 PM

Or they got paid enough under the table to hold then over until they got to the league. The kids will stay if they get enough to be content. If you are young you often have very few desires, if you can meet them you will stay.

Pros will tell you college is a lot more fun than the league. You will get more students staying the 4 years if they get paid.

HillviewCane

Posted by: 86Cane | April 27, 2019 at 05:18 PM

I am legit curious. Why don't you want to see the players get paid? You mention benefits they receive. But s I can't recall you saying why you think they shouldn't be paid. Which is a different statement than the benefits they receive.

So to be clear, why do you not want to see them receive monetary compensation if the market can bear it?

86Cane

Director Brian De Palma, having seen Grease 2, refused to audition Pfeiffer for Scarface (1983), but relented at the insistence of Martin Bregman, the film's producer.

She was cast as cocaine-addicted trophy wife Elvira Hancock.[18] The film was considered excessively violent by most critics, but became a commercial hit and gained a large cult following in subsequent years.[19] Pfeiffer received positive reviews for her supporting turn; Richard Corliss of Time Magazine wrote, "most of the large cast is fine: Michelle Pfeiffer is better

..."[20] while Dominick Dunne, in an article for Vanity Fair titled "Blonde Ambition", wrote, "[s]he is on the verge of stardom. In the parlance of the industry, she is hot."[21]

86Cane

The players ARE THE REASON everyone cares. They’re Tom Cruise, Formula One driver and Bruno Mars.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | April 28, 2019 at 10:18 AM

No, you have it wrong, again.

WE GO TO SEE OUR TEAM WIN.

And I am way cooler and more hip than Bruno Mars.

I'm like Michelle Pfieffer that white gold...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Pfeiffer

thirstybuzzardcane

I don't go to college games because of specific player. I go to support the university. I can assure you that ever single one of you would say the same thing. Paying college STUDENT athletes is insane! I have no problem if a player wants to make money selling their jersey or autograph though. The NCAA should at least tweak that.

solarcane

Dan Morgan talking Mike Smith into trying out for the Bills

Go Canes!!

Posted by: TruCane81 | April 28, 2019 at 04:49 PM

He indisputably had the most dominant defensive season by any Cane in the last decade.

Beyond shocked he wasn’t drafted.

TruCane81

The Willis situation is the most perplexing thing I have ever seen in all my years watching the draft.

Teams were throwing away late round picks to all kinds of trash this weekend. Woman beating, burglary, bad athletic testing, poor production and so on, were considered forgivable offenses. However, Willis’ baggage was too major to warrant a flyer with a pick that almost never makes the team as a top 100 talent projection.

We have heard all kinds of leaks about player misbehavior on the team. We still have ZERO idea why Willis sat the 2017 season. THAT IS AMAZING in this day and age. He dealt with the suspension and outplayed two teammates who got drafted in practice. Came out as a senior and was ALL AMERICAN AND A TEAM CAPTAIN, under PASTOR RICHT no less. No talk of him being a distraction and his production showed at least an average work ethic.

There is something going on here.

I can only think of three things.

1. His representation was terrible and gave him bad advice which is why he made so many pre draft evaluation mishaps (sitting out, missing meetings and so on).

2. He was black balled because of WHO he had the confrontation at uf with.

3. He has a serious mental illness/ disorder that no one feels comfortable talking about. This could explain his bizarre ( in retrospect) decisions pre draft and the fact his suspension is being kept secret better than a black ops mission in a soviet territory. Wikileaks can’t even figure it out.

It could be his documented past issues and history of suspension but with two years without incident, it still doesn’t make sense given what teams were willing to overlook from other guys.

No one ever lost their job over seventh round pick. I just can’t wrap my head around a team that needs defensive line help not taking a chance on a guy who can make splash plays on third down even if inconsistent in the run game.

solarcane

Ok I never realized we have sunk to ESPN actually broadcasting Pro Corn hole.

They even have logo shirts like bass Fishermen covet.

The commentary is pretty bizarre

1st commentator
"Well there it is Carl, Brisco has left himself hanging at the edge of the hole just begging for Smith to drop him in.

2nd Commentator
Yea Bennie, it looks like Brisco's bag is jammed tight to that hole alright"

My wife just looked at the TV then at me and said "really?"

Terrance Sullivan

Canes Sweep those Castrated Turkeys my Weekend is made. Go Canes!

NativeCane

Nothing could be finer than sweeping old Virgina!

Federman closes last 3 innings to seal the win and sweep.

Canes 2-0

Go Canes!!!

NativeCane

Del Castillo with 2 run Homer in bottom of 4th. 2-0 Canes

JCane

3 innings in the books still scoreless. Bigger concern is not only a 3rd straight game of cold bats, but so far VT has no-no going. Fortunately they have 6 more innings left and the U pitching and D have been good enough so far.

NativeCane

Canes going for the V Tech sweep today, good pitching, scoreless at top of the 3rd.

NativeCane


I found the picture of the "foxes" guarding the hen house:

https://canespace.typepad.com/.a/6a00e008c672588834022ad38dcdc8200c-pi

Posted by: 86Cane | April 27, 2019 at 11:5

Ribs and beer?

AfriCane

I’m not young solar, lol! Just my mind is young. But I hear you. Hard work and perseverance died with Gen X. Millennials or Miscellaneous, like I like to call them, want to snap their fingers like Thanos and get everything.

solarcane

Afri,
Good points, and fair.
As for the guys that didn't make the league, wasn't getting a college education and a chance to play college football pretty good compensation?

Remember I am an old fart that went through a four year apprenticeship on a construction site and worked my way up to head Forman, then spent 45 years building churches,
malls, football stadiums and houses for other companies and for myself.
Did masonry for Wayne H. Dan M. Ted Turner.
Never occurred to me to hate them because they had more money than I did.
I did feel satisfaction knowing they complemented me for my workmanship.

Like a lot of other 60 year plus folks on here I might be out of touch with today's economic reality.

Then again there are folks on here that are pretty young to be out of touch with reality, yourself not included in that group.


AfriCane

Solar, I understand your argument and point and while it makes sense, it does not say the current system could not be improved. To me, it’s akin to the argument about minimum wage. Do we say because someone is going to make more money in the future after amassing more experience, then it’s ok to pay them $8/hr now? Or should we just say they should be happy to have a job because there r people without a job, so they should be happy with $8/hr? I would say no to that. U can find an arguement for any point of view, it doesn’t make it right. Also, how many percentage of CF players make it into the league anyway, 10%? So the other 90 would have given free labor without a chance to capitalize on making money from it.

solarcane

Russel Wilson lol,
sorry just got back from Gatlinburg and Richard Russel hiway must be on my mind, plus I'm losing my mind

solarcane

Go I understand your reasoning perfectly.

When Elvis,Bruce,Ali, were singing on talent shows and fighting in YMCA they weren't getting paid but the shows were making money off them.
They understood that getting exposure was how they would in time make a fortune.

College football was the only way you knew Ray Lewis was a beast. You could read all you wanted but you had to see him to know.

He understood the Hurricanes were paving his way to be a millionaire, he didn't need to be paid to play hard.

The more this discussion goes the more convinced I am that people are really pissed that successful owners coaches and stockholders make disgraceful amounts of money.We should be.

They don't bring up the fact that Richard Russel will more than make up for what NC State would have paid him on top of a free education.

College football is a showcase, It is an open mike appearance, it can make you rich or at worst give you a degree.
Don't feel sorry for college football players, just stay pissed at how we were conned into paying coaches and owners the money we fork out.

Go Canes!!

Posted by: solarcane | April 28, 2019 at 08:50 AM

Your argument continually leaves out the most important point. The players ARE THE REASON everyone cares. They’re Tom Cruise, Formula One driver and Bruno Mars.

All of those people make money based on the product they put out while college players get a free ride and nothing else while Clemson makes millions selling Trevor Lawrence jerseys and Coach K makes $10 mill a year while Zion is forced into aking illegal payments.

BigWindyCane

Most NFL Draft Picks (Last 5 Years):

46 - Alabama
40 - Ohio State
33 - Florida
30 - Miami

*******
Posted by: Go Canes!! | April 28, 2019 at 09:40 AM

Wow!

BigWindyCane

I don’t know much about why Willis wasn’t drafted. Seems very odd. There will be a lot of speculation about it because it cannot be explained based on his performance and talent. I thought he would be at least a third round pick.

My guess is that his multiple suspensions in college had something to do with it, and I am sure NFL teams questioned Willis about the suspensions during interviews, and if Willis’s answers weren’t plausible, he will not get drafted. In this era, some of the best NFL players get kicked off of NFL teams due to behavioral issues.

Another oddity is that I read in the Herald that Willis refused to have a group workout with the Dolphins and Willis (or his agent) insisted that the Dolphins spend one of their individual workouts on him. IMO, that probably hurt his draft stock too.

There are a few other issues I could speculate about, but I won’t. I thought some NFL team would take a chance, especially my Dolphins. I was very very wrong about that.

Go Canes!!

Most NFL Draft Picks (Last 5 Years):

46 - Alabama
40 - Ohio State
33 - Florida
30 - Miami
29 - Clemson
27 - LSU
26 - Oklahoma
25 - FSU
24 - Michigan
24 - UGA
24 - Washington
23 - USC
22 - Stanford
22 - UCLA

solarcane

How things have changed .
Duke qb 1st round draft pick,
Miami best defensive player undrafted.
smh

AfriCane

If anyone can get a story from www.theathletic.com. I saw a piece on Twitter that GWIII had a fight with the son of a Raven’s OC when he was in Florida. But I couldn’t read everything because I can’t see the Wole post because a subscription is needed.

solarcane

If we start paying college players because they bring a profit to a college, when do we start paying IMG Academy players.

If you have a concession stand at your high school field how much do you pay your players?

How much does each St Thomas kid get from tee shirt sales?

Surely kids that play in the Little League World Series should get a check from ESPN.

solarcane

Ok here is another idea, pay them a flat nationwide average salary.

Have them pay ss and income tax.

Have them pay for their own room and board, and a monthly property maintenance fee.
Your company pay your mortgage and grocery bill and mow your lawn?

Have them Pay for 25 percent of their medical. Give them a better deductable
For each season without a claim.

Have them file for workman's compensation if they miss practice or games due to an on the job injury.

Have them pay their own doctor bills for injuries not related to practice or games. Pickup basketball games, screwing around etc.

Withhold a game missed portion of their salary for non team related injuries causing them to miss practice or games.

Have them Pay for their transportation to home games, practice,special events.
Your company pay you to come to the home office everyday?

Have them pay for their transportation
meals and lodging to volunteer work, community service, and place of worship.

Lay them off without pay if game attendance drops below a prior season.

Have them pay income tax on anything they profited on.

Give them a seasonal performance bonus for exceptional work, take out income tax.

Give them raises based on performance.

Pretty much treat them like part of the adult workforce.


TruCane81

No payment system needed.

Just stop blocking the players that are good enough to get paid off of themselves.

Autograph signings, appearances, endorsements etc...

Posted by: CoCane | April 27, 2019 at 10:20 AM


THIS!

It is difficult to convince most people that these young guys should get a cut of the billion dollar industry built on their talent. Trying to convince them is a lost cause.

But barring players from making their own money is criminal, and the fact people think it is ok alludes to underlying biases I do not wish to stir up discussion of.

If a college freshman on scholarship wants a job or starts an online business profiting from their image, content, or lifestyle there is nothing to stop them, but an athlete loses eligibility for their own ideas and products?

The hypocritical and disingenuous nature of college sports “amateurism” really gets under my skin. For some reason people really hate paying athletes, even though the money is rooted in television advertising. Get millions of people to watch you perform your job every week and you will make the big bucks, too. So much vitriol. I wonder why.......

JCane

One run scored in the 2nd holds up for a 1-0 win over VT for a 30-14 record, 10th straight win over the Hokies and game 3 tomorrow prior to a 3 game set next weekend vs. Bethune Cookman. Pitching has been solid in these two games while the bats have gone to sleep.

Would love to know the real story as to why Willis wasn't picked. Physical skills clearly weren't the reason.

solarcane

I WOULDN'T BET AGAINST IT IN 2019

DJ Dallas throws 2 passes to Tate Martell during the season.

KJ Osborne is ACC player of the week before Jeff Thomas or Brevin Jordan

With a game on the line in field goal range we pass to Mallory or Osborne

solarcane

Poor Russel Wilson 140 million for four years, that poor sumbish got robbed not being paid to play college ball. How the hell will he make ends meet?
I wonder when that oh yeah moment comes to people that want college players paid?

Go Canes!!

How in THE HELL did Willis not get drafted.

TonyCane

Malik to the 49ers!

thirstybuzzardcane

Let me throw this out.
With 65 players getting another $25,000 a game what do season tickets
go for?

Posted by: solarcane | April 27, 2019 at 07:35 PM


As long as they have escalator Soup doesn't care how much they go up.

Alex D

What's good Legion/Canespace? Long, long, long time no post. The NFL must have got wind on possibly why Willis was suspended for a year or he may have a possibly failed a specific test at the NFL Combines? Something is definitely not right, especially when small school unproven linemen were being selected before him. Just my take. Late.

AfriCane

Thanks solar. GMs were sleeping on the job when they didn’t draft GW. It’s just makes no sense. Well, Baltimore got a deal, a steal, and a pissed off cane.
It almost made me cry.
Fock this bullsheet. !!!

solarcane

Willis ravens

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article229583589.html

AfriCane

I just really wonder what they were looking at!!

AfriCane

For real solar. Please send link to story.
He’s got to be a priority FA though!

AfriCane

And someone’s going to tell me kaperneck was wrong that NFL teams don’t conspire.

solarcane

Willis signing With the Ravens right now FA
Lewis and Reed must have stood up and bitched

Herbieibis

Willis not being drafted is a dam travesty. Looks like all teams got together to give him the middle finger. What a joke.

solarcane

Afri
I feel you man I was proud as hell of Willis and Diaz turning his life around.

AfriCane

Honestly, with Willis not drafted, I don’t think I care for the other guys that were. Willis was the heart of our 5th overall ranked defense last year. I’M HURT DAWG!!

AfriCane

Solar, F that! There was a guy that was arrested for a break in. He was dismissed. Went to another school, and still got drafted in the 6th.

solarcane

Willis was really working hard to be a better human being. Seems like the NFL public relations folks are holding his feet to the fire no?

AfriCane

I’m so upset about Willis! WTF???

solarcane

Let me throw this out.
With 65 players getting another $25,000 a game what do season tickets
go for?

TonyCane

Nor did I. He should have been the first Cane drafted. I’m hoping Miami signs him as a RFA.

AfriCane

OMG! They hated on Willis. Anyone with inside info on what happened? One of the top DEs on the number 5 defense in the CFL?
If I were him, I’ll give the middle finger to free agency & the NFL & head to the CFL.

Terrance Sullivan

Wowza Willis didn't get drafted didn't see that one coming.

TonyCane

86Cane, political forces will ultimately take care of this. Let’s say the Democrats won in 2020. Several candidates are promising free college tuition. With that will come the requisite revenue gathering to pay for it. What will not come is college cost control.

Fast forward another few years. Taxes have gone up, and continue to rise. And Alabama is now paying their new coach Dabo Swiney $25M per year. They’ve also just invested $350M on a new player complex filled with luxuries for the players only. Meanwhile taxes continue to go up to pay for this expenditures. Football, with its health issues, will be a prime target for pressure.

86Cane

Six rounds in the books and Gerald Willis hasn’t heard his name called. I am very surprised

Posted by: BigWindyCane | April 27, 2019 at 04:57 PM

At this point "people" are going to start making assumptions about the reasons why. Not talent.

86Cane

See even you acknowledge the cost at most schools isn't the same as UM.

Posted by: HillviewCane | April 27, 2019 at 02:34 PM

This was never an argument or point of contention. You are oversimplifying the issue.

1. You are assuming that all football players want to go to college to get a degree. I would be willing to bet that upon entering college over half of the football players have NFL dreams and no intention of getting a degree.

2. Secondly, saying that they should just choose a State school because they are cheaper than a private school is not the reason players choose a school because of #1 above. Most choose a school that either gives them a chance at early PT or the chance to showcase their talents on the National stage or has a great winning tradition or a great head coach.

So $265,000 at UM for a 4 year degree PLUS all of the perks and benefits of being on a team (travel, hotels, coaching, weight training, seperate food and nutrition program, medical care and treatment, etc.) does probably come close to $400,00 over 4 years.

You tell me what other job most of these high school grads, many with very limited skills, are going to get that will "pay them" $400,00 over their first 4 years of employment while traveling all over the United States just to play a game that they love?

86Cane

#GoCougars

#GoCanes

BigWindyCane

Wow. Six rounds in the books and Gerald Willis hasn’t heard his name called. I am very surprised

Terrance Sullivan

Congratulations Travis Homer getting drafted to Seattle Seahawks!

Terrance Sullivan

Congratulations Jaquan Johnson drafted to the Buffalo Bills!

BigWindyCane

Another Killian Cougar Jaquan Johnson drafted by the Bills in the 6th round

Terrance Sullivan

Congratulations Joe Jackson being drafted by the Dallas Cowboys.

BigWindyCane

DE Joe Jackson to the Cowboys in the 5th round!

BigWindyCane

CB Michael Jackson to the Cowboys in the 5th round

thirstybuzzardcane

For 90% of these college football players getting a full scholarship, room, board, training, coaching, travel, medical care and more is the absolute best possible opportunity and outcome for them.

Nobody is forcing them to play college football.

For every ONE of them that would turn it down there are at least 1000 more who would take that offer in the blink of an eye. To make it seem like the are suffering, being abused or being taken advantage of by the system does not hold water.

Posted by: 86Cane | April 27, 2019 at 11:52 AM


Soup gets it! Why do you think the whole Clemson DL came back for their Senior year? It was for the love of the game. They would've been all multi millionaires if they left early

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Posted by: 86Cane | April 27, 2019 at 11:52 AM

See even you acknowledge the cost at most schools isn't the same as UM.

I get the fear of not wanting to lose the joy received from college football.

I hear what you are saying about value in scholarship. There is value.

However in a sense of trying to understand your point of view. Why are you so against ways that can possibly pay the players a bigger piece of the money they make for schools, networks, cable suppliers, advertisers etc. etc.? Why should they be kept at the bottom of the scale for compensation? Why not try to improve the system.

I mean so many of these kids are pushed to major in crap degrees where they will have a hard time finding employment. Their degrees aren't as valuable as we pretend. If they were allowed to get degrees for life I would consider that a form of compromise with value but as it currently works...not so much.

Since most don't make it to the NFL they would probably be better off in most cases going to an in-state school and placing that time spent on the sport focusing on their degrees. Making sure they have good GPAs and marketable skills.

It would be better than short changing their "student" experience to play the sport.

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