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December 09, 2019

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Terrance M Sullivan

Soupster I Stand Corrected LT 34 Miami 13.

58 Straight

Sully, my man, NOW U are coming around!

solarcane

Posted by: Gin and Tonic | December 09, 2019 at 08:48 PM

Hey G&T long time brother,
Yea I understand what you are saying.
What I would like a Miami coach to say is "we were out coached again today. We were not prepared to play, and they schemed and adjusted better than we did.We beat ourselves because we weren't prepared. We didnt execute because we don't practice like a winning to team practices."

Manny is not going to own he is green and hired the wrong guys to help him his first year.

He has already made it clear he thinks the next class is going to save him and the program. It isn't him its the players blah blah blah
Jmo

solarcane

Every time I watch one of this Little League coaches speeches I get a grin.

COACH "What's our goal?"

Kid "Go out there and do our best"

COACH " Not even close...
our goal is to go out there and make the kids are the other team cry.

In another one he tells the kid maybe if your dad could put down the 40 and play catch with you once in awhile you be something.

https://youtu.be/HoTu0U6AhdA

HerbieIbis

I don't think it matters who the coach is concerning the awfensivline, they would still stink. It would help if we had just 2 above average tackles but we don't.
The Herb disagrees on the talent part. We do have top 20 talent we just don't play to our talent level and no matter who have been the coaches the last 15 years or so we still play down to the comp.
Our offense is antiquated. It's like we are grandfathered in on the pro style. Passed down from decade to decade.
This is what has passed us by, today's offensive schemes.
7 players, one DB, one LB and one very good DT and on offense, One WR, one RB, one very good tackle and one good QB. We have maybe 2 of these type players, who are difference makers. Players who are there every game. Shaq and DJ are the closest to these type players. Ruseau maybe will be, maybe Silvera.
When's the last time we had a player have back to back really good year? We've had a lot of one year wonders. A good year for our players is 2nd team All ACC. We play with no consistence.
We can't get a good, imaginative offense coordinator. We have average recruiters but no homerun hitter on the trail but some how we usually manage to bring in top 20 classes. We have developed the FSU syndrome of doing less with the most.
If Manny wants to change things, he has to be his own Defensive coordinator. Go find a hotshot spread coordinator. Get a special teams coach. We don't need to
2 DB coaches. Rumph can coach but can't recruit and Bandy is okay as a coach but is a better recruiter. Barry, I just don't know. He got dealt this shitty hand.
We need OH linemen and at the moment we have 2. We need CB's and we have one. Our LB's are all jacked up. It's a mess but no real difference makers. We have a few could be's.
We have no go to WR. Hell have the time they get no separation.
Now another competion for a bowl game. Manny is energetic but whom else is on board?

solarcane

Some more Coach Begin

Tom I thought you said you were Dominican

Haaaboooy

https://youtu.be/rdIyMkzJTc4

MDCane

When will the madness stop. QB competition for a 4th tier bowl game? Are you serious? I guess when we lose to LT the excuse is already built in to we went with the best guy who gave us a chance to win... insane.

AeroCane

Good article
Easy fix: Fire everyone from Blake to the towel boy
If we don’t do that: Fire enos, Baker, Patke, Banda and rumph

BigWindyCane1

Great article Soup. I agree 💯!

raizecane

Signing day is 12/18. Our bowl game is 12/26. There better be some changes announced by 12/28 and I dont mean they are switching from Coke to Pepsi in all vending machines.

solarcane

This new spin that this next signing class is for sure the answer to all that is wrong with this rotting carcass of a program is really grasping at straws.
We heard all this when Jacory and his class came in.

If this class is so talented and so on top of their game the majority of them will transfer or go pro before they make any impact here.

Everyday that goes by Manny's inexperience at head coaching is more evident.

FSU didn't rush out and hire from within because they had a dedicated guy they thought would stop the bleeding quickly. They got a coach that gives them an experienced guy from a CURRENT winning program.

Miami is the cocky guy that was most likely to succeed in high school,that works at Arby's and lives in his mom's basement.

Terrance M Sullivan

SolarCane Preach

raizecane

Miami is the cocky guy that was most likely to succeed in high school,that works at Arby's and lives in his mom's basement.

Posted by: solarcane | December 10, 2019 at 09:47 AM

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how did you know I work at Arby's ? You know, "we have the meats".

Joe

So the writing is on the wall, the offense will be the same. If I remember correctly, Tate Martell was not playing in the bowl game which leads me to believe that we will be using the same 17 point offense that Enos puts together instead of transitioning to the spread. Transitioning to the spread before the bowl game could be pretty easy if you give the offense to Tate. He has run it since he was a little kid in Nevada. So here we go again.

MLAlumni1970

I agree, SOUP, you are the BEST, besides being my good friend. I just can't take the CANES anymore. Maybe when I go down to FL for the winter, I will feel better about the whole thing.
THEY ALL NEED TO GO.

raizecane

ML - there is no winter in Florida so you might as well just head on down ASAP

nemo2002

When will the madness stop? QB competition for a 4th tier bowl game? Are you serious?... insane.

Posted by: MDCane | December 10, 2019 at 03:42 AM

Can we initiate Baker Act proceedings for CMD?

CGNC

Great article and I agree. Manny is the politician's kid, so he knows how to speak. Soarl you are right, this head coach gig is way over his head.

Yes we thought and rightfully so that the NW boys with Jacory etc would change everything - but that only works with the right coaching which we did not have then and do not have now.

Thanks Blake James. May AlPa and his $0.24 checks chase you from your job.

CGNC


Posted by: Joe | December 10, 2019 at 12:10 PM

A good, smart coach would change the scheme to fit the players he has.

VfB_Cane

Posted by: CGNC | December 10, 2019 at 04:09 PM

The past 15 years have been the repeated story of captains who would rather go down with the ship than change course.
One can only speculate whether that's stubbornness, a false sense of pride the inability to admit mistakes, samrtest man syndrome, or whatever.

86Cane

1. I don't think it matters who the coach is concerning the awfensivline, they would still stink. It would help if we had just 2 above average tackles but we don't.

2. The Herb disagrees on the talent part. We do have top 20 talent we just don't play to our talent level and no matter who have been the coaches the last 15 years or so we still play down to the comp.

Posted by: HerbieIbis | December 09, 2019 at 11:28 PM

1. Screw that. FIU beat us and Duke beat us and GT beat us with their horrible offensive lines but you wanna use that as your excuse fine. It is not the OL, it is the coaching. Lies, all, lies.

2. We do not have top 20 talent. Our talent is lost and lazy. They are tired and disinterested. They are entitled and have been dominated with no response at all.

After losing to FIU did they come out pissed and on fire looking to make it right? No they came out soft and weak and ready to lose again. Was there a fight on the sideline? Was there a player arguing with a coach? Was there any sign of a fight left in this team?

The answer is NO.

Terrance M Sullivan

Preach Soupster.

58 Straight

The friggin Herb is pissing me off.

I have a good mind to ban his azz.

I haven't banned anybody in a good long time.

But I am damn tempted.

He is lying to the masses...

58 Straight

And he friggin knows it!

BigWindyCane1

Soup is spot on 💯🔥!

HerbieIbis

Say it ain't so Soup. The Herb stands by his statement. We started basically 3 freshman and 2 of them true freshmen, who shouldn't have played to begin with. U change that sorry azz system we run and the offense will be different. How many coaches we got to go through? We got away with it for years hiring on the cheap. Jimmy, Dennis, and Butch. What did they all have in common a dam good staff. I know this staff is iffy especially about 3 or 4 who need to go. I already laid out what needs to happen. We don't have the right OC, DC or Qb's to get us where we need to be. I could get by with Baker because Manny is there to baby sit him. This team was young in areas, where it hurt us the most O Line, QB and in the secondary. It ain't always going to be this way. Getting another Head coach going to matter. I've heard Leach's name on here 100 times. Would Love his offense but the dude would need a Dave Aranda to be his DC. He's never had a defense. Manny is going to be here another year or maybe less, if if he don't change and soon.

TonyCane

Signing day is 12/18. Our bowl game is 12/26. There better be some changes announced by 12/28 and I dont mean they are switching from Coke to Pepsi in all vending machines.

Posted by: raizecane | December 10, 2019 at 07:33 AM

What if they switched to Yoohoo or New Coke?

86Cane

Herb...I am not going ot ban you, I was just messin with U. But you seem to have become the new "excuse maker", a role previously reserved for Go Canes, for the teams' failures. Who knows maybe we all do need a ray of hope here on the blog and I guess U are it.

Here is my response:

1. We are not the only team starting new players or Freshmen players at a position. Every team almost every year replace 30-50% of their starting line up. Some teams started a Freshmen new starter at QB and still performed very well. We can't get a few OL to play decent enough to beat FIU? Child please!

2. You don't get to be LAST in all of CFB in 3rd down conversion just because of your OL. It is the play calling. It is the execution. It is the motivation. It is the QB being inaccurate or not reading the defense or seeing the field and open receivers. It is the WRs not getting separation.

Using the easy out that this is all due to the OL failures way oversimplifies the situation and the reasons why UM failed on offense this year. The are reasons aplenty.

And don't even get me started on the defense and special teams. Don't even!

nemo2002

Signing day is 12/18. Our bowl game is 12/26.
posted by: raizecane | December 10, 2019 at 07:33 AM

As I was walking down the street one day
A man came up to me and asked me what time it is (for UM's bowl game). yeah
And I said

Does anybody really know what time it is? (I don't).
Does anybody really care (care about the time)?
If so, I can't imagine why (no, no).
We've all got time enough to cry.

CHICAGO

CGNC

Posted by: VfB_Cane | December 10, 2019 at 05:26 PM

Agreed! probably all of what you mentioned.

HerbieIbis

Recruiting Matters.
OSU has 72 four and five star players.
LSU has 62
Oak. Has 57
Clemson has 47
Miami has 42

All 4 teams have great QB play.
All 4 have go to WR's
All 4 have 1000 yd. rushers.
All 4 have very good Oh lines.
All 4 have difference makers on defense.
All 4 rank in the top 20 against the run.
All 4 run some sort of Spread.
The difference between us and them recruiting. Clemson will shoot up after this next class. They already have 6 five star players verballed.
QB play. We have no clue.
No go to WR.
No A-1 running back.
Definetly no offensive line.
Our defense is ranked pretty high but we lack a couple difference makers there. I'm talking about game by game guys that are there busting their azz. Not a couple good games and then disappear for a game or two.
We have no FG kicker that can kick past 35 yds. or at least we haven't tried to kick one.
We used to talk recruiting on here back In the day when Ohio and Papa were on here but it's rarely mentioned and besides some tweaks to the staff, cause Manny is going to be here at least through most of not all season, recruiting is what is going to get us out of the gutter. 7 special players and a new offensive Scheme.
Not defending anyone. Not making excuses for any coach, I saw the BS we put out their.
We got alot of under performers and some cancers that need to be weeded out. Every coach wants to get his type players in the system. Based on Talent in the coastal, yeah we are far ahead of everyone else but at the end of the day all parts of the engine have to be running on all cylinders and when one part breaks down the machine breaks down. We had a lot of break downs at different points and times. We get one problem fixed, it would be something else and so it went all season and ultimately the coach has got to be the one that fixes it.

nemo2002

Recruiting Matters.
Posted by: HerbieIbis | December 11, 2019 at 02:28 PM

I totally agree!

VA Cane

Hello all.....been very busy taking care of mother in law, appraising houses.......and once again winning titles. Sat we played Spring
Run for the title....weather was not too bad....they are good team....nice soft rich kids with nice soft rich mums and dads.

They never knew what hit them....right off the bat we were on them with that vaunted 46 D.....too many people to try and block. we were up 30 -0 and they scored one at the end....I hate getting scored on but they were good....we were just better!!!! 30-6 final.

Hey gang.....we may be struggling at UM....but my kids are alive and well....told em win it for my friends!!!!

I really got to slow down....keep saying i am retiring but never do.....41 years and still at it like an old fool!!! I just love my guys...they are winners in all walks of life.

Hey 11 of the last 14 SBs aint bad....I think I got Bill and TB12 beat....by a few LOL!!!

Just glad for my special guys, cheerleaders, and the families....its what matters to me....others!!!!!

solarcane

Way to go VA proud of your kids

roachcane77

Great job VA Cane! Way to get the most out of your kids!

COACHING MATTERS!

Go Canes!!

Losing to FIU was inexcusable.

But I agree with Herb that we are lacking quality play at multiple very important positions.

Chaney and the kid from Deerfield are ELITE backs. Same with Rivers at OT. So at least steps are being taken.

Even though this season was a total failure, it doesn't mean this team doesn't have multiple gaping holes that need filling.

BigWindyCane1

Something that we already know about South Florida recruiting for the Canes:

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article237836409.html

BigWindyCane1

This blog is well are of the fact that - the Canes can’t recruit the elite recruits of South Florida right now. Only winning will begin to reverse the negative trend.

86Cane

have multiple gaping holes that need filling.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | December 11, 2019 at 06:45 PM

NO COMMENT.

86Cane

Only winning will begin to reverse the negative trend.

Posted by: BigWindyCane1 | December 11, 2019 at 08:33 PM

So what you are saying is that losing to FIU, Duke and GT hurts recruiting?

solarcane

"Three out of the four college football playoff teams have a transfer quarterback. The lone exception is Trevor Lawrence of Clemson. The Miami Football program should not be above inquiring into a transfer quarterback."

But Williams will be back there next season completing 62% of his passes for 160 yds going 8-4 while at least 4 really good qbs transfer somewhere else.

solarcane

Quarterbacks in transfer portal

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/TransferPortal/

JCane

Maybe we should try to sign Allison or Sitkowski? Hmmmm

solarcane


This is awesome

https://youtu.be/R-2puqqmycM

solarcane

Posted by: JCane | December 11, 2019 at 10:21 PM
Lol, I hear ya maybe nab Martell for a second go around when him and Kosi book
There will probably be a couple decent upgrades to what we have and what we have coming in.
Being the best high school pro style qb an in Connecticut isn't to impressive but who knows.

First time I saw string bean Kenny Dorsey with that big ass extra long sleeve white sweatshirt under his uniform flig a pass, I wasn't to thrilled, but after I saw his leadership and his give everything to win attitude I was sold 100 percent.

Terrance M Sullivan

Great Job VA.

TonyCane


Recruiting Matters.
OSU has 72 four and five star players.
LSU has 62
Oak. Has 57
Clemson has 47
Miami has 42

All 4 teams have great QB play.
All 4 have go to WR's
All 4 have 1000 yd. rushers.
All 4 have very good Oh lines.
All 4 have difference makers on defense.
All 4 rank in the top 20 against the run.
All 4 run some sort of Spread.
The difference between us and them recruiting. Clemson will shoot up after this next class. They already have 6 five star players verballed.
QB play. We have no clue.
No go to WR.
No A-1 running back.
Definetly no offensive line.
Our defense is ranked pretty high but we lack a couple difference makers there. I'm talking about game by game guys that are there busting their azz. Not a couple good games and then disappear for a game or two.
We have no FG kicker that can kick past 35 yds. or at least we haven't tried to kick one.
We used to talk recruiting on here back In the day when Ohio and Papa were on here but it's rarely mentioned and besides some tweaks to the staff, cause Manny is going to be here at least through most of not all season, recruiting is what is going to get us out of the gutter. 7 special players and a new offensive Scheme.
Not defending anyone. Not making excuses for any coach, I saw the BS we put out their.
We got alot of under performers and some cancers that need to be weeded out. Every coach wants to get his type players in the system. Based on Talent in the coastal, yeah we are far ahead of everyone else but at the end of the day all parts of the engine have to be running on all cylinders and when one part breaks down the machine breaks down. We had a lot of break downs at different points and times. We get one problem fixed, it would be something else and so it went all season and ultimately the coach has got to be the one that fixes it.

Posted by: HerbieIbis | December 11, 2019 at 02:28 PM

Recruiting certainly matters. A few facts amidst the doom and gloom.

1. Miami has nearly double the number of blue chip recruits that it did in Al Golden's second year, when the bottom fell out due to the 2008 and 2009 classes leaving and the 2010-2011 classes being substandard.

2. This was the worst offensive line that Miami has fielded in over a generation. Remember Frank Costa getting plastered against Nebraska in 1994? That was Jarren Williams and Kosi Perry in almost every game. Either we had the second worst offensive line coach of all-time under Richt and have the worst one now...or we have substantially missed on recruiting at this position and are going to have to claw and scratch out of this hole. The SAME thing began to happen to FSU in Jimbo's last year. If your line is so bad, nothing will work. It's why I picked Miami to go 6-6 this year after the August scrimmage reports were so grim (including the loss to FIU). Ken Dorsey could be back there, and he'd look as miserable as he did during that 1999 disaster at Virginia Tech - but it would be all year.

3) Our offensive philosophy needs to evolve. Miami needs to be a trendsetter, as it was in 1980 under Schellenberger. Right now we're the opposite - we're the equivalent of one of those three yards and a cloud of dust teams that we used to destroy.

I think some of the doom and gloom here is badly overblown. Manny had a very rough first year - the key will be does he realize it and make the hard changes necessary. But as an aside, I'd say that Al Golden did even less with nearly equivalent talent in Year 1, and Randy Shannon's first year as head coach was a complete disaster.

Just some thoughts.

Terrance M Sullivan

We Will Be No Better Than 6-6 in 2020. I expect us to lose to Temple, Michigan State, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, Virginia, Georgia Tech!

HerbieIbis

TEE,
That ain't happening if we switch to spread. If we keep this same tired azz awfense, then I can see anywhere from 5-7 to 7-5.

solarcane

sully

Diaz told us this NEXT recruiting class is special, and problem solvers and, game changers you act like you doubt that's gonna happen my man.

TonyCane

If it’s the same offense with the same offensive line production, we average 15 points a game, start out 4-2, and finish 4-8.

raizecane

If we land Van Dyke, that tells me all I need to know about what type of offense we plan on running for the next few years.

86Cane

I think some of the doom and gloom here is badly overblown.

Posted by: TonyCane | December 11, 2019 at 10:50 PM

It always is.

I am sure everything will be just fine.

raizecane

I think some of the doom and gloom here is badly overblown.

Posted by: TonyCane | December 11, 2019 at 10:50 PM

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Your right......I should take the last 15 years of data and totally ignore it.

solarcane

You guys are so impatient.
Football is a process, it takes time.
15 years is a blink of an eye if you happen to be a quahog clam.

HerbieIbis

Well it took OSU over 20 to rob us of our 6 and give them there 7th or 8th.
Georgia has gone 37.
LSU is at 15
I mean these things happen and when they happen for the good they tend to come in bunches.
I can't get the Herald but I saw a story about what the experts think our funk of 15 years, can anyone enlighten on what the article said. I have to be a subscriber to read it.

Terrance M Sullivan

LSU won a Title in 2007 under Les Miles lol.

raizecane

Posted by: HerbieIbis | December 12, 2019 at 11:06 AM

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I am also sure none of those teams you mentioned were 130 out of 130 in 3rd down conversion.

Old Skool

Clinton Portis charged in NFL retiree health benefits scam

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/12/us/nfl-health-care-fraud/index.html

solarcane

Herb

Experts explain one of biggest reasons why Miami can’t break out of this 15-year rut
BY BARRY JACKSON
DECEMBER 11, 2019 07:10 PM
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UM head coach Manny Diaz comments on the recruits who have committed to the U

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It’s staring at you when you turn on your computer and look at the list of the top South Florida high school prospects and where they’re headed for college.


Most of the top players from South Florida schools continue to bypass UM, and recruiting analysts and coaches don’t see that changing, not when the Canes cannot beat FIU or Duke, let alone crack the top 25.

Though UM has landed the top player from Miami-Dade three times since 2012 (including disappointing Navaughn Donaldson) and have a nonbinding commitment from the top Dade player in the 2020 class (Belen running back Don Chaney Jr.), Miami hasn’t landed the top player in Broward since Tracy Howard in 2012.

Alabama has the past three top recruits from Broward, and Georgia has a commitment from the top 2020 prospect -- St. Thomas Aquinas receiver Marcus Rosemy.

What’s more, Miami landed only three of the top 20 rated players from Dade/Broward and Palm Beach in its 2019 class.

Thanks to a late rally, the Canes have commitments from four of Rivals’ top 16 South Florida recruits in the 2020 cycle. Of the 18 South Florida recruits in ESPN’s top 300 list of 2020 prospects, only three have pledged to Miami.


And UM recently has had decommitments from several 2021 local recruits.

In the Canes’ defense, these UM coaches have done a good job recently adding two top local players (Deerfield Beach running back Jaylon Knighton and Hialeah Champagnat defensive back Jalen Harrell) while holding onto Chaney and others, despite the disappointing 6-6 season.

But from a big picture standpoint, misses in local recruiting over 15 years - along with other factors - help explain why this program can’t escape this hamster wheel of mediocrity.

“There’s a lot of frustration with this program because it’s been 18 years since they’ve been really relevant,” recruiting analyst Larry Blustein said. “You look at these kids Miami has and say [some of them] would never even make the taxi squad on the UM teams in the early 2000s and 1990s and 1986. It would be impossible with this type of roster to compete for a national title. They need to have a better roster.”

Last year’s NFL draft had four players from Broward selected in the first round. None went to UM and all are making a big impact as NFL rookies: Ohio State’s Nick Bosa with the 49ers, Michigan’s Devin Bush with the Steelers, FSU’s Brian Burns with Carolina and Oakland’s Marquise Hollywood Brown with Baltimore. UM’s highest-drafted local player last season, Killian’s Sheldrick Redwine, has 26 tackles as primarily a backup for the Browns.


So why can’t UM attract more of the top local kids? In conversations in recent weeks, two local coaches (who requested anonymity) and recruiting analysts cited nine reasons:

▪ Winning:

It’s the most obvious one, but it can’t be understated. Even Manny Diaz said earlier this year that “kids want to go where the winning is. So, that’s hard because you have to create the winning to get them to come to where the winning is.”

Recruiting analyst Charles Fishbein said: “They need to win ball games, period. It’s tough to get out of this [cycle], hard to recruit elite kids” with seven-win seasons.

▪ Miami’s not the cool place anymore:

One local prep coach said the Canes’ history no longer carries any weight with top recruits, who were infants or not even conceived when Miami last won big. “These kids don’t know who Ed Reed is,” the coach said. “They’ve lost all the advantage of their history.”

▪ The ability for players to travel more to see other campuses:

One person intimately involved in the seven-on-seven circuit said people connected to other schools are giving money to family members of top recruits to cover travel expenses to get them on their campus.

“The way it works,” one local coach explained, “is they say we will give you $5000 if you bring your kid to our campus. Once these kids see these campuses, they’re sold. Basically, the money has been created for these kids to travel to see other schools, and it’s not their money.”

▪ The cheating issue:

A handful of people intimately involved in local recruiting said it’s a factor hurting Miami, though not as much as the winning issue. “You’ve got to cheat like everybody is and Miami can’t now after the Nevin Shapiro thing,” said one local prep coach.

“As squeaky clean as Manny is, I don’t think they would do that,” Blustein said. “As one of the coaches told me that was at Miami before, we’ll never get into a bidding war with some of these other schools for players.”

▪ Not enough local coaches pushing UM on their kids (not that they’re obligated to):

“Coaches in general and guys who have influence over these local kids are not painting a rosy picture about Miami,” Blustein said. “They can see Miami gets beaten by teams they should have beaten and those kids listen, or they’ll say, ‘I haven’t seen that coach at my school.’”

▪ Adults with influence on these prospects are often pushing prospects to go elsewhere:

This is an underrated issue, Blustein and the coaches said.

“There are hangers on who tell kids and parents negative stuff [about Miami],” Blustein said. “And when teams like LSU come in, they say things like, ‘Why are you considering Miami?’ There’s more negative recruiting now than ever.

“And a lot of these guys on the outside of the program who maybe have more ties with a Florida or a Florida State are pushing those kids away from Miami because a lot of those coaches aren’t as receptive to Miami or Florida or Florida State are. Some of them are part of high school staffs; some are community guys that have been around forever.”

▪ Some better local recruiters on other staffs:

Blustein said UF tight ends coach Larry Scott, a former UM assistant and interim coach, “is probably better [equipped] to get South Florida kids than anyone on Miami’s staff.”

FSU had two strong South Florida recruiters in David Kelly (who left after Willie Taggert’s October firing) and tight ends coach Telly Lockette, “who would have been a great hire for Miami,” Blustein said. “Miami doesn’t have a guy who can sit in a living room and pull in these kids.”

What do local high school coaches say about Miami?

“They don’t talk terribly about them, but a lot of these schools aren’t sending these kids there,” Blustein said. “Their coaches are telling them, ‘Why would you go to Miami? They lost to this team and don’t draw anyone.’”

▪ And speaking of attendance:

Plantation American Heritage alum and New England Patriots running back Sony Michel once told me that Georgia was more appealing to him than UM because a lot more people attend the games. One local coach said on-campus stadiums - like those at Alabama and Ohio State - hold great appeal to players.

▪ Some players simply want to experience life elsewhere:

Four-star Class of 2020 South Dade High guard Jonathan Denis, who committed to Oregon without even visiting UM, said the Canes did “nothing wrong at all. I wanted to go far and explore things and try new things and get out of my comfort zone. [What the new UM coaches are doing] is going to be something special for real.” UM has tried to get Denis to change his mind, but that appears highly unlikely.

And St. Thomas Aquinas linebacker Derrick Wingo said he committed to UF in June in part because he wanted to be “not too close to home, not too far from home.”

As one local coach said: “There is no more of the ‘I have to play in front of my boys and family’ mentality. Now it’s a business and kids ask themselves, ‘What’s the best place for me to go to get to the NFL?’” And they’re often deciding it’s Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Clemson and UF, among others.

Coming in part 2: Suggestions for UM to solve this problem.

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HerbieIbis

Thanks Solar.
A little bit of this and that. Same thing we all have noticed. Consistent winning will cure alot of our Ills. The problem every time we swap coaches out we have to start over and that too has become a viscous cycle.
We probably have 10 to 15 kids that shouldn't be on this roster and half or more are offensive linemen.

HerbieIbis

Stephan Adams seems to think Flowe maybe headed our way. Visiting USC this weekend.
If by some miracle we get this dude that plugs a gaping hole at LB and would be one of seven guys we need to get us climbing back up the mountain. Chaney and Knighton could be considered one of those type guys. No matter how many offensive weapons we have, that line has to be addressed or the system has to be changed and that is the only way.

TonyCane

Every time we swap out coaches we take a hit that year in recruiting. And we have done it three times since 2015.

I’ve said this elsewhere, but the verdict is not in on Manny. He might clean house and get it turned around in 2020. Or he may stand pat and Miami goes 4-8. But if he is going to be a success, the expectation should be for at least a 3 game improvement in Year 2. Look at other successful coaches:

Nick Saban (Alabama)
Year 1: 7-6
Year 2: 12-1

Pete Carroll
Year 1: 6-6
Year 2: 11-1

Bob Stoops:
Year 1: 6-6
Year 2: 12-0

Kirby Smart:
Year 1: 8-5
Year 2: 12-2

Then compare that to Miami:

Randy Shannon
Year 1: 5-7
Year 2: 7-6

Al Golden:
Year 1: 6-6
Year 2: 7-5

Mark Richt:
Year 1: 9-4
Year 2: 10-3


Al Golden would still be here if he’d made the defensive switch when necessary (let’s say he hired Manny for instance). His 2015 team goes 10-2 with a different scheme. But he refused to part ways with D’No.

I could be wrong, but I don’t think Manny will have the same stubbornness.

Schnelly

Sixty-Fourth!

CGNC


You guys are so impatient.
Football is a process, it takes time.
15 years is a blink of an eye if you happen to be a quahog clam.

Posted by: solarcane | December 12, 2019 at 09:50 AM

LMAO! Touche

VA Cane

Nice post on recruiting solar. I can tell you that kids want to go where the team is winning. Like the article said....we have been bad JMO since 04...team was ok....but nothing like 2000 to 2002 teams.We were great 00-02.......no team ever in CFB was that good.....got to win guys.

These kids know nothing of UM....cause we have been irrelevant so long. All things aside....people want to play for titles. I do too....I have to win....and I want my kids to think that way. You will not always win....but hell wanting to win is important.

Mia Chi ‘Cane ‘98

Here’s a novel idea... maybe recruit outside of of S. Florida? I bet a stud from the Midwest would love to come down and play in South Beach.

Just because Miami is in Florida doesn’t mean we have to solely recruit from Florida. Take a page from Ohio St, Michigan, penn St.

Again, we are still stuck using the 1980’s playbook... times have changed and the Miami football program has not...

CGNC

Tony, I hope you are right, but I am not sure about the stubbornness. He hired Uncle Enos who had a less than stellar career as OC at Arkansas:


2015: 7-6
2016 - 6-7 (incl bowl loss)
2017 - 4-8

VA Cane

Al Golden would still be here if he’d made the defensive switch when necessary (let’s say he hired Manny for instance). His 2015 team goes 10-2 with a different scheme. But he refused to part ways with D’No.

No way... I never liked him as a coach....I saw through that Trust the Process and 10 point shit....he was not and has never been a good coach.

Honestly....just me we hire3 bad HCs....I did not like the Coker hire but LC was a good guy...good OC...RS was an asshole and a terrible coach...unlikeable....good as DC. AlPa was a horrible coach and full of it....Richt very nice guy....average coach.....MD good DC....terrible HC.....5 really bad choices....they cannot coach...if you cannot coach you do not know how to hire a good staff...no staff you do not win...no win no recruits...you keep losing you go through the cycle and its vicious....we have been through 5 coaches and not one has shown me what it takes to be elite...to play for titles....and to me winning the division is a must, and the ACC is a must....you got to win them to get to the big time....but they still mean nothing to me...cheap glory....All I want is the NC...that is everything....only thing bigger in ALL Sports is the Super Bowl....

CGNC

Solar, when I looked at those stats, I have to just shake my head when thinking about all the secrecy with Manny wanting to hire him. I am sure Enos told him "I didn't have the right players" or some such nonsense

CGNC

Posted by: VA Cane | December 12, 2019 at 03:08 PM

Agreed!!! That is why we need to get rid of Blake James and hopefully hire an AD that wants to WIN!

VA Cane

Here’s a novel idea... maybe recruit outside of of S. Florida? I bet a stud from the Midwest would love to come down and play in South Beach.

Just because Miami is in Florida doesn’t mean we have to solely recruit from Florida. Take a page from Ohio St, Michigan, penn St.

Again, we are still stuck using the 1980’s playbook... times have changed and the Miami football program has not...

Posted by: Mia Chi ‘Cane ‘98

Reality...what a concept....well put my friend....look at the old NC rosters...guys from all over...KD Rhomberg Shock ER pick em out....diversity is the spice of life...
grat great points my friend...

VA Cane

Agreed!!! That is why we need to get rid of Blake James and hopefully hire an AD that wants to WIN!


Oh CGNCPa you are so right.....it starts at the top....and getting down to it...think of the ADs we have had....Jankovich was pretty good....Dee....well we had some troubles...but we had some good years at first but he hired Coker and Shannon ...shameful.....Kirby Haircut Eichorst and Blow Job James suck....so we had bad coaching hires from bad AD hires...who hires the AD?

The board sucks as well....they have no clue....and do not get me pissed about the presidents we have had....the whole process has been very bad for a long time...

I say fire everybody....all of them....hang em at high noon on the site of the OB.....

Terrance M Sullivan

They won't fire Blake James because all the money that has been raised and generated much to our chagrin. If Blake James, President Frenk, and Board of Trustees were smart they would hire a Director of Football Operations like Say A Alonzo Highsmith or someone who knows Football and how to get the Ship Back Sailing Again. After That put a list together to find A Real Head Coach and Coaching Staff for 2021. Because Palmetto 57th Manny and company will go 6-6 again and will get fired.

solarcane

The only program that had everything going for it big time, that imploded as bad as us I can think of is Tennessee.

They had some good teams years before we came on the scene, then they leveled off.
Then from 1989 to 1999 they were living kinda large. Then when the turn of the century came around, just like us, they checked out.

solarcane

Thanks CGNC.
I am curious what will happen as far as coaches and and recruits go the days right after the bowl.
I really have no interest in William and Kosi at all anymore.

solarcane

The New Miami one year later

https://youtu.be/-CFTIOQCqTc

86Cane

The problem every time we swap coaches out we have to start over and that too has become a viscous cycle.

Posted by: HerbieIbis | December 12, 2019 at 01:42 PM

WRONG, TRY AGAIN!

The problem is that the coaches we hire don't win enough games so we HAVE TO replace them. Nobody ever wants to have to fire a coach because if you do it means failure. Everybody wants to KEEP the current coach if at all possible because it means they are being successful. Unfortunately our coaches are not.

Not winning is the problem, not changing coaches. That is only done out of necessity, not some misplaced desire just to fire people.

Try again!

86Cane

Solar...add USC, Texas, Nebraska and Stanford to your Tennessee list of collosal collapses and failures. I am sure there are more?

86Cane

Hell even glorious Notre Dame had several rough years also as has UCLA, Michigan State and others. If someone would have told you that Clemson would be all that and big bag of chips 10-15 years ago you would have laughed them off the blog.

roachcane77

Clinton Portis... SMH!
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/12/us/nfl-health-care-fraud/index.html

BigWindyCane1


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Part 2 of a series: Analysts offer tips on how UM can solve a problem hurting program
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DECEMBER 12, 2019 05:24 PM

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You don’t need a postgraduate degree to understand that the University of Miami Hurricanes need to win more — a lot more — to be able to challenge Alabama, Clemson, UF, LSU and Ohio State for the top South Florida recruits.

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But there are other things Miami can be doing beyond that, as it tries to bolster a 2020 class with just four of Rivals.com’s top 16 local prospects and a 2021 class in which the top five local recruits remain uncommitted and top local offensive lineman (University School’s Marcus Tate) is already committed to Clemson:

▪ Add another quality recruiter or two to the staff, says the top two local recruiting analysts, Larry Blustein and Charles Fishbein:

Blustein said it’s vital. “A [great recruiter with local ties] would help,” Blustein said. “This is not an opinion. It’s a fact. Do they have a coach who can go into inner city living rooms? Parents are not going to relate to some of these coaches.

“[Cornerbacks coach] Mike Rumph didn’t get [Alabama and former St. Thomas Aquinas] cornerback Pat Surtain. He hasn’t gotten [a lot of the top kids]. Trajan Bandy loved the program; that’s why he came.


“They don’t have a guy who can sit in a living room and pull in these kids,” Blustein continued. “We’ll see with the Northwestern juniors; they will try to get [four-star Class of 2021 Miami Northwestern outside linebacker] Terrence Lewis but I doubt they will get him. Alabama, UF have more on the table” in terms of winning, attendance and other appealing assets.

Fishbein agrees: “Manny is going to have to make changes to his staff.”

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Blustein said: “Why not hire [Miami Central High coach] Roland Smith? He’s a consummate pro, a former Miami Hurricane. He has that presence to go into living rooms. You’ve got to play to the strengths of your team. They’re missing out on a lot of guys.”

▪ Get on players earlier:

Multiple players say UM didn’t offer early enough, and that’s why they never strongly considered UM.

The top 2020 recruit in Broward — Georgia-bound St. Thomas Aquinas receiver Marcus Rosemy — said he would have considered Miami more seriously if the Canes had pursued him earlier, like other schools did.

St. Thomas Aquinas three-star offensive tackle Marlon Martinez said he committed to LSU early in the process because Miami hadn’t offered him; the Canes have tried recently to get him to be part of their 2020 class but without success.

And Hollywood McArthur three-star linebacker Ruben Hyppolite said he committed to Maryland earlier because Miami wasn’t seriously recruiting him; the Canes reportedly later offered him but then stopped contacting him.

▪ Look in other regions of the country for offensive linemen:

Several of the local additions have failed to live up to expectations, with Navaughn Donaldson and Kai-Leon Herbert among the recent examples.

“Maybe go into different states for offensive linemen where they’re not battling the stigma like they are down here,” Blustein said.

▪ Look elsewhere more in general:

One UM person who has no authority in recruiting said with the Canes not winning enough to attract more of the elite local players, he’s not sure the Canes should be pursuing, say, the 11th best cornerback in South Florida instead of the top cornerback from another state.

Diaz has made clear that South Florida will remain the recruiting priority, with players from other regions also targeted.

▪ The Clemson question:

Fishbein said before making an offer to any player, this question must be asked: “Will this kid help us beat Clemson? If not, you shouldn’t pursue him. This is UM. We’re not going to accept mediocrity.”

▪ Consider a spread offense:

This is something we’ve heard from local coaches, and Blustein said “you have athletes down here to go spread. Miami has skill kids and plenty of speed.”

One local coach said: “I don’t know that Miami can get away” with Diaz’s new policy that nonbinding commitments are at risk of having their offers pulled if they visit other schools after the summer before their senior season.

One change that UM is making which has some merit: Trying to avoid players with baggage or off-field issues and gravitating toward players with stable upbringings.

Blustein said it’s understandable that patience is running thin.

“People say it’s going to take time; they don’t have time,” Blustein said. “They just wasted five years. Dan Mullen came into Florida and turned this around in two years. There’s no more time for this. Manny has been part of the regime for four years. It has taken 18 years to be relevant. It’s not that hard to win in the ACC and yet they can’t.”

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article237836639.html#storylink=cpy

TonyCane

Solar...add USC, Texas, Nebraska and Stanford to your Tennessee list of collosal collapses and failures. I am sure there are more?

Posted by: 86Cane | December 12, 2019 at 06:24 PM

86Cane
Hell even glorious Notre Dame had several rough years also as has UCLA, Michigan State and others. If someone would have told you that Clemson would be all that and big bag of chips 10-15 years ago you would have laughed them off the blog.

Posted by: 86Cane | December 12, 2019 at 06:35 PM

It also shows that once you fall off of that perch, it can be surprisingly hard to get back on it. Even Texas, with all of its resources...resources that match or exceed that of Alabama...has had nothing but mediocrity since 2009. And my friends who are Longhorn fans are not happy!

Texas:
2010: 5-7
2011: 8-5
2012: 9-4
2013: 8-5
2014: 6-7
2015: 5-7
2016: 5-7
2017: 7-6
2018: 10-4
2019: 7-5
Total: 70-59

Miami Hurricanes:
2010: 7-6
2011: 6-6
2012: 7-5
2013: 9-3
2014: 6-7
2015: 8-5
2016: 9-4
2017: 10-3
2018: 7-6
2019: 6-6
Total Record: 75-51

VA Cane

Not winning is the problem, not changing coaches. That is only done out of necessity, not some misplaced desire just to fire people.

Try again!

When you dont win...because you hired 5 shitty coaches in a row...you got to move on!

It is a cycle...you lose new coach...you keep losing ...new coach....you lose ..new coach.....chasing ya tail....counterclockwise!!!!!

Clap Onion AlPa Richt Manny......could not win consistently......we aint been close to good since 03 Fiesta....we suck we lose and we hire coaches who cannot coach!!!
Hell when do I get my shot?....I am ready to lead!!!!!!!!

solarcane

Miami and Tennessee have never recovered. Those other teams all had a couple good seasons sprinkled in here and there.Richt had one fluke year, we are the the little rubber feet on the bottom of the ladder.

solarcane

Tony I agree with you about Texas
They were probably only ranked in the top 20 in 2012 and 2018

Richt got us into the top 20 twice but top twenty is a long way from top 4 for sure.

solarcane

Tony
You are correct with Texas. 2012 was probably the only time they finished in the top 20 besides 2018.
Richt pulled off two top 20 finishes

solarcane

FAU TE beats out Brevin Jordan for best in nation.

HerbieIbis

Nebraska is a other school that can't climb out of the shyt hole. Their days are over. Frost ain't got a prayer their.
We are way ahead of the herald on the ills of this programs. Everything in the story each one of us have brought up in our rants.
Coaching, scheme, wins and Losses, recruiting, attitude, etc. The big thing for me is the offensive Scheme change and getting some A-1 recruiters that can coach. The winning will come.
U know your weakness is your line on offense and lack of speed on the back end on defense then where are all those verbals for the line and at CB. Two linemen and one CB ain't getting it. The portal can't save u every time. U can throw in those no route running WR'S.

solarcane

Article about OC fit for miami


https://www.stateoftheu.com/2019/12/12/21010709/miami-hurricanes-dan-enos-tate-martell-nkosi-perry-jarren-williams-brevin-jordan-deejay-dallas

solarcane

CGNC
That OC article was for you, I know how Uncle Enos wears on you.

86Cane

1. Everything in the story each one of us have brought up in our rants.

2. Coaching, scheme, wins and Losses, recruiting, attitude, etc.

Posted by: HerbieIbis | December 12, 2019 at 08:56 PM

1. Yeah but we are just fans who don't know anything, right?

2. Yes, yeah, uh huh, yes.

86Cane

Article about OC fit for miami

Posted by: solarcane | December 12, 2019 at 09:46 PM

That may be the worst and most likely the dumbest article I ever read.

solarcane

Ahmmon Richards starts his own marketing company

https://247sports.com/college/miami/Article/Former-Miami-Hurricanes-WR-Ahmmon-Richards-launches-sports-marketing-agency-Lgndary-Sports-140323699/

raizecane

Article about OC fit for miami

Posted by: solarcane | December 12, 2019 at 09:46 PM

That may be the worst and most likely the dumbest article I ever read.

Posted by: 86Cane | December 12, 2019 at 10:51 PM

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Any of those mentioned would be an improvement to what we currently have. Me likes the listy...

58 Straight

Raize...IMHO none on this list are a good fit. Only Briles or Lashlee might work.

Delmonud

We need talent ASAP. This 2020 class is going to get us going in the right direction.

Give Manny 4 years and he will have us back

AeroCane

Delmonud

In what way does this class get us there?
We need volume on OL - failure
We need a stud LB - failure
We need a stud, shutdown CB - failure
Give manny 4 years and we might be able to compete at the high school level

orange 'n green in the vein

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28232056/ranking-college-football-40-bowl-games-least-most-entertaining

36. Walk-On's Independence Bowl
Louisiana Tech vs. Miami
Dec. 26, 4 p.m., ESPN/ESPN App
Independence Stadium, Shreveport, Louisiana

The thing about the day after Christmas is that it's always so depressing. People are returning all the junk they didn't want. You feel bloated from all the overeating. There's discarded wrapping paper and batteries everywhere. The magic of the holiday season is over. And that's how it has felt to watch Miami all season, so this should fit right into your schedule.

Sid-tard slurp squad defense force, activate!

VA Cane

Give manny 4 years and we might be able to compete at the high school level

LOL Aero......4 years is a long time to lose....but hell we been losing for 15 damn years!!!!

No one class is going to move the needle....you got to develop kids along the way so this years frosh and somphores...and juniors that will rise to Srs and stay....we do not have any that good going to the league.....can produce and let the new guys get used to the speed of the game etc....we need....welll....Divine Intervention from The Lord....or fire all de azzes drop down to division 2 or 3 and try to compete....we are far from competing at the top level....talent is not there nor is coaching....I am beginning to think we may never ever recover from this long painful failure


Also F**k the damn bowl game...who cares about a mediocre bowl..... the recruits want to see the playoffs and NC the real games.....thats where they want to play....not watch some old dying legend full of 2 and 3 stars who do not give a damn about football play in a Bulls**t bowl


I love bowl season to an extent...but only one matters screw the rest...That NC title game for it all.......no other game counts for me...

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