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February 07, 2020

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There’s A Big Difference Between Talent And Production

Production is very important when placing expectations

By marshthomas

The other night, I was discussing the Miami Hurricanes with fellow fans on Twitter, as I usually do. As the evening went on, I began talking to several people about the Canes wide receiver room, and the players we have at that position. In what is often the case with me, I disagreed with several Miami fans.

Call me negative, but I prefer to be labeled as an honest and realistic Hurricanes fan, which is rare within the Miami community. I’m not saying that the wide receiver room isn’t talented, of course they are. UM has Dee Wiggins (who I’m a HUGE fan of), Mark Pope, Mike Harley, Jeremiah Payton and several others who could very well turn out to be superstars in the future. However, to say that the wide receiver room at Miami is “stacked” or “loaded” is completely false.

You know what program has a stacked WR group? The Ohio State Buckeyes, with guys like Garrett Wilson and Chris Olavem, or the Purdue Boilermakers with the incredible duo of Rondale Moore and David Bell.

The LSU Tigers this past season had two wide receivers with over 1,000 yards, and two more WR’s who had over 500 yards, with three of those guys catch 10-plus touchdowns. That is what you would call a stacked WR room. In the same year, Miami had one receiver who went over 500 yards, and only one with 5 touchdowns.


This has been a problem for the Hurricanes for a while now, and not just for the wide receivers, but for nearly every position, and the team at large. Miami fans, and I've been guilty of this hundreds of times, we always seem to label a certain position group and also the team before they’ve actually proven anything.


And there's several reasons why we do this. When it comes to individual players and in-turn position groups, we’ll hype them up based on the high school they attended, or the stars they received while in high school. We’ll carry that same argument sometimes until these players are juniors or even seniors, even though they haven’t proven anything at the college level.


It’s another thing to say that Miami is loaded with their defensive ends, because that actually has some truth to it. When you have Gregory Rousseau and Quincy Roche at DE, then you can say loudly that the Canes are “stacked” at that position, because you have past production to back up that statement
Perfect example of this is with the Hurricanes quarterback situation these past two off-seasons. Last year, Tate Martell was labeled early on as the guy who will be the next great Miami QB, and many picked him to be the 2019 starter, and this was before anybody saw him throw a pass at UM. We did this because Martell was such a highly-touted prospect out of high school, and made some plays while at Ohio State.


Fast-forward to the actual season, and Martell was in fact not the guy, struggling with Dan Enos’ offense, resulting in Jarren Williams winning the starting job.


On the other hand, there’s been a lot of hype surrounding D’Eriq King, along with an equal amount of doubt and questions. With this situation, the excitement and expectations placed upon King are valid, as he’s a quarterback who has put up incredible stats at the college level, and has proven that he can be a top player at this position.

Houston QB D'Eriq King could be the next Kelly Bryant. I'm sure a few SEC teams will inquire regarding his services.

4,925 passing yards, 50 touchdowns with another 1,421 rushing and 28 touchdowns on the ground during his career.


Now, I will again say that Miami’s wide receiver have the POTENTIAL to be a very dangerous group, if they’re able to actually produce. Same goes for the entire Hurricanes team

CGNC

LOL PB! I asked Tom awhile back if you were GoCanes

CGNC


I'm still riding the 50%(we win some we lose some) taxi with Aero and CGNC till I actually see us pound a few teams in a real game.
I have been about 8-4 every since
LSU slapped the Kool Aid out of our mouth.

We have all our apples bet that King stays healthy for 13 games,that could be tough to do with the swiss cheese posse lurching around three yards behind him every play.


Posted by: solarcane | February 11, 2020 at 11:39 AM

LOL! Yes, you me, Aero and Raize are from the "show-me-state". Tsully has apparently put us on the 7% bus which is probably most fuel efficient LOL.

CGNC

Posted by: pb | February 11, 2020 at 05:51 AM

LOL! Welcome back.

Terrance M Sullivan

LOL! Yes, you me, Aero and Raize are from the "show-me-state". Tsully has apparently put us on the 7% bus which is probably most fuel efficient LOL.

Posted by: CGNC | February 11, 2020 at 02:14 PM
LOL Outstanding As Always CGNC!

The Herb

J.W., Willie Will from Nashville, DJ Moonbat.

HerbieIbis

That's a plan Tee! Since I developed AFIB my beer drinking consumption (power drinking) has been drastically curtailed. As I asked my cardiologist about drinking beer and he told me one to 2 maybe 3, unless I wanted to end up back in the hospital, So I guess I would have to do a majority of the driving on the bus and I'm quite sure that would be okay with you, right Tee..?

raizecane

LOL! Yes, you me, Aero and Raize are from the "show-me-state". Tsully has apparently put us on the 7% bus which is probably most fuel efficient LOL.

Posted by: CGNC | February 11, 2020 at 02:14 PM
LOL Outstanding As Always CGNC!

Posted by: Terrance M Sullivan | February 11, 2020 at 02:22 PM

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I was gonna see if there was a 5% sidecar.....but I'll be a team player and ride with the 7%

alpine

mr. pb:

i gave a shout-out to "pb and esteban" the post before you wrote endearing things about pb, which eventually led to your "outing"

. . . but you never gave me a thank you or tip o' the cap for the anonymous compliment

bad form; and negative karma points in your soul's bank acct.
ijs

HerbIbis

Solar, I'm with u on the WR'S. Pope was supposed to be this great game breaker for us and the dude has pissed away 2 years. One thing we do lack, besides a go to WR, is bigger WR'S. Wiggins is it as far as height goes. We used to have A basketball team at wr and not enough speed, now we don't have a 6'3, 6'4 guys that can win a jump ball.
I do we need to go after Tyrik Black, who has 2 years left a use one of those ships forward. Still have one left for a lineman in the summer.
I think we have 3 healthy LB'S for the Spring and 4 CB's.
I think we have 5 Lb's laid up. Need a little more talent at that position.
Kids need to be coached better. The tudes might change on OH since we are finally going 21 century. Why would any WR come play in an antiquated offense we were running, especially with a bunch of breaches in the levee. By the time they got their head around the Qb was on his azz.
Hopefully Kinchins can teach them how to run routes to get seperation.

alpine

It's fun to predict 10 11 12 game wins every season in February and I get it and think its great for our morale on the space considering what we have been through.

So if its alright with everybody Ill sit back and enjoy the wins, not be dumbfounded by the losses and pretty much content with us moving in the right direction, thanks!

Posted by: solarcane | February 11, 2020 at 12:56 PM

seems i'm on the solar-train:

- 58-0 in february

- as the season goes by, adapt

- if it's a season like the last couple, take the hopes out of the shirt-pocket (the one near the heart); put them in tupperware; stash in freezer until february rolls around once more; then unfreeze; put hopes back in pocket; drink lots of koolaid; . . .

alpine

herb - re: LB'S
https://www.stateoftheu.com/2020/2/11/21133165/miami-hurricanes-football-linebacker-room-in-limbo-after-key-departures-and-lingering-injuries-more

available linebackers this spring are going to be:

RS Fr. Avery Huff
RS Sr. Zach McCloud
RS Jr. Waynmon Steed (missed all ‘19)
RS So. walk-on Ryan Ragone
RS Fr. walk-on Zac Smith
RS Jr. walk-on Colvin Alford
RS. Fr. walk-on Jake Hoffman
RS So. Patrick Joyner Jr.

alpine

herb - regarding tyrik black
. . . marsh thomas says rico bussey would be better; what do you think?

https://www.stateoftheu.com/2020/2/11/21132820/miami-hurricanes-offense-football-rico-bussey-north-texas-rhett-lashlee-transfer-portal-receiver-um

solarcane

Posted by: alpine | February 11, 2020 at 03:19 PM


You get it

solarcane

You can tell how the people on Canespace have matured and evolved over the last 13 years.

Nobody on here has to hide the remote or fancy knick knacks during games, guys like soup can go outside and tidy up the yard in the third quarter.

I remember fearing the news of what AngryCane or Canez1 had destroyed by halftime every Saturday.

pb

Posted by: CGNC | February 11, 2020 at 02:11 PM

It's been tough not dropping a "Hi CGNC..." for so long! Appreciate the welcome back!

pb

Posted by: alpine | February 11, 2020 at 03:10 PM


Apologies sir. An oversight, not a slight I promise.

Still trying to figure out who you are cause you are definitely not a new kid on this block either.

Terrance M Sullivan

Herbster That's Perfectly Fine With Me. One on The Bus, One at the TailGate, and One Inside The Rock! Matter of Fact That's our Motto on the 10% Bus!

Terrance M Sullivan

Raize Good Job. I am sure The 7% Bus with CGNC, Solar and Aero will be a lively Bus.

Terrance M Sullivan

Alpine U can Pick The 7% Percent Bus with CGNC or the 10% Bus with Yours Truly. to help with matters if you think we are going anywhere from 5-7 to 7-5 ride the 7% Bus with CGNC. If you think we go 8-4 you have to choose between the 7% Bus or the 10% Bus. If you think we go 9-3 or 10-2 You ride on the 10% Bus with Me. If you think we are going 11-1 you can either pick the 10% Bus or 12% Bus and obviously if you think we go undefeated and 12-0 you ride on the 12% Bus with The Soupster!

Joe

Alpine, I'm all for Rico Bussey Jr over Tyrik Black! He's got alot of experience. He has the height and size we need with lots of speed. He is familiar with the offense. I think he needs to be the top WR we go after now.

The Herb

I got u Alpine But the dude had a busted wheel and who knows, how he'll be able to perform. Don't care but if we use more than one ship, it will count forward. Rather have someone, if that's the case that has more than one year.

solarcane

ron mexico

alpine

Posted by: Terrance M Sullivan | February 11, 2020 at 04:20 PM

well configured, terrance!

- in february, i'll always be riding the 12%

- come august, and i'll do that thing where you jump from one moving bus to another . . . joining you on the 10%
. . . i'll bring a case of austrian radler with me

solarcane

In an ironic history twist

Terrence Sullivan enacts forced busing on a sports blog.
Civil Rights activist and self proclaimed know it all solarcane refuses to sit in the bus, and instead runs alongside it drawing attention to the injustice.

Mr.solarcane remarked "Ill be dammed if I will let sully pick my seat."

updates at 11.

alpine

joe, herb, appreciate the feedback re: receivers

didn't know bussey had a "busted wheel" (good one, herb)
. . . i assume it's a type of injury where a good percent never make it back to where they were before?

i think on this one, i'll take the cop-out approach; wait to see who comes and that's who i'll want

alpine

Apologies sir. An oversight, not a slight I promise.

Still trying to figure out who you are cause you are definitely not a new kid on this block either.

Posted by: pb | February 11, 2020 at 04:01 PM

- apologies accepted

- and you're right, not new; changed aliases, like you
. . . but most of my canespace history was as a lurker

Sarasota 'cane

ron mexico

Posted by: solarcane | February 11, 2020 at 05:02 PM

For the win!!

Go 'canes!!

86Cane

Yours Truly is Spearheading The 10% Bus Who Wants In!

Posted by: Terrance M Sullivan | February 11, 2020 at 11:18 AM

TSully up to the 10% bus over from the 7-5, 8-4, 9-3 in recent weeks?

#StillTrendingUp

Terrance M Sullivan

Solar LOL U Got Me Dying laughing!

Terrance M Sullivan

TSully up to the 10% bus over from the 7-5, 8-4, 9-3 in recent weeks?

#StillTrendingUp

Posted by: 86Cane | February 11, 2020 at 05:40 PM
Yes Sir Soupster I am going with a 10-2 Regular Season as My Final Answer So I will be spearheading The Bus and The Herbster is riding with me any more takers on the 10% Bus!

86Cane

1. LSU slapped the Kool Aid out of our mouth.

2/ We have all our apples bet that King stays healthy for 13 games,that could be tough to do with the swiss cheese posse lurching around three yards behind him every play.

Posted by: solarcane | February 11, 2020 at 11:39 AM

1. I still have the scar.

2. "Swiss Cheese? Ah, yes indeed. But we have a new offense, new coordinator and a new OL coach. Going to cut sacks by 50%. Moving from Swiss to straight cheddar!

86Cane

LOL PB! I asked Tom awhile back if you were GoCanes

Posted by: CGNC | February 11, 2020 at 02:11 PM

Can't divulge my secrets, sources and methods.

solarcane

Solar LOL U Got Me Dying laughing!

Posted by: Terrance M Sullivan | February 11, 2020 at 05:46 PM

Thanks Sully,
you know you and me are as tight as rusted nuts.

86Cane

I remember fearing the news of what AngryCane or Canez1 had destroyed by halftime every Saturday.

Posted by: solarcane | February 11, 2020 at 03:35 PM

Shyte got broken up for sure. Lots of shyte.

I think one reason that the prices of Flat Screen TVs have gone down so much over the years is all the new TVs Canes fans had to buy after breaking a few each year. AngryCane was good for 3-4 a year no doubt.

86Cane

If you think we go 9-3 or 10-2 You ride on the 10% Bus with Me. If you think we are going 11-1 you can either pick the 10% Bus or 12% Bus and obviously if you think we go undefeated and 12-0 you ride on the 12% Bus with The Soupster!

Posted by: Terrance M Sullivan | February 11, 2020 at 04:20 PM

WELL PLAYED SIR!

NOTICE TO CONSUMERS: If you start out on the 7% bus there will NOT be any seat jumping allowed later on in the season after we win 8 or 9 or 10 or 12 games. You will just have to park that 7% bus and walk with Solar from there on in.

PLEASE CONFIRM RECEIPT OF THIS MESSAGE.

solarcane

Posted by: 86Cane | February 11, 2020 at 06:02 PM

Sometimes you know me better than I know myself

raizecane

I remember fearing the news of what AngryCane or Canez1 had destroyed by halftime every Saturday.

Posted by: solarcane | February 11, 2020 at 03:35 PM

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I have seen it with my own eyes.....wasn't pretty.

The Herb

There was a Lurker on here at one time.

solarcane

some mat drill stuff

https://twitter.com/i/status/1225573638759276544

solarcane

sully,
explains how, where, and why you ride what bus where.

https://youtu.be/qqhyIIZt87A

BigWindyCane1

Lashlee and company got Thad Franklin to recommit. Franklin is aN absolute beast. RB-U is back!

pb

Posted by: BigWindyCane1 | February 11, 2020 at 07:24 PM

Huge!!

solarcane

"I think I can play wherever," Franklin said. "I mean if a [depth chart] is deep I might have to look at something else, but it's really not that deep at Miami."

the kiss of death again?

DuvalCane

Posted by: solarcane | February 11, 2020 at 08:10 PM

This is one of these situations where Ed Reed needs to step in and tell this kid look, either you're going to compete or go somewhere else. Show him the depth chart at running back in 2001.

HerbieIbis

Solar,
Great movie. Carr the floor Walker was none other than Clifton James and if u remember played in 2 James Bond movies, the Man With The Golden Gun and Live and Let die, I believe that last one was right.

solarcane

Duval.
I agree 100 % the kid gets everybody fired up hangs around till next season sees he is gonna sit a year than plays for Georgia

HerbieIbis

So we got us a McGahee type back, in Franklin. Hope he is not a like Francy, commit decommit, commit again and is now freezing his azz off at Braska.
Need to get Yulkieth Brown although LSU is his dream team.
Plenty of bugs on both sides of the line. Going to need to bring in 2 above good DT'S. We got one but of the 4 or 5 good ones, only one has as one of his top teams. The oh line looks a little better as we have 3 that have us in their top 5.
Got to take at LB, as well and get Hood.
Got flip James William's back. This is where Ed Reed could be real handy. Personally think the dude will be a De or LB.

58 Straight

Show him the depth chart at running back in 2001.

Posted by: DuvalCane | February 11, 2020 at 08:43 PM

Bada boom, bada bing.

I vote Duval 2020!

BigWindyCane1

I really like the 2021class of commits. Size, speed and talent are all there throughout to really shock the college football world. These are potential “Ed Reed type” players, in the sense that they have a chance to be special in the right environment. I hope we can keep them all in the fold, then bring in some more decommits and fence sitters.

Bottom line: the coaches need to start winning some games — win and they will come!

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