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December 12, 2020

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Cola Cane

86 I see you've been to Aerosmith concerts,(as I have as well :)) If we win our bowl game, that's ending the season on a high note, and we also have a great class coming in, and some could add an IMMEDIATE impact. That being said, we'll have a WHOLE offseason to work on the O-line, and the DL as well, and prepare for the juggernaut that Bama is. We probably won't win (never know though), but even being able to hang with them is a good thing, and could bode well for the rest of the season. Remember other teams are losing key players as well, and if King comes back, (i think he does), having a good qb is essential, and he is DEFINITELY good, is half the battle. How we lost this bad is beyond me, it's not all on coaches, because how can you NOT get pumped for that game. We have some AWESOME talent coming in, and maybe that'll help with that? Hell I don't know?

Cola Cane

Nemo I highly doubt Miami opts out of the bowl game! Why would they do that, when they have a chance for a 9-2 season? I'm sure the kids also DON'T want to end the season on how the UNC game turned out.

86Cane

I'm sure the kids also DON'T want to end the season on how the UNC game turned out.

Posted by: Cola Cane | December 14, 2020 at 10:56 AM

Agree 100%.

86Cane

UNC beat VT but gave up 45 points.

UNC lost to FSU and gave up 31 points.

UNC lost to VA and gave up 44 points.

UNC beat Wake and gave up 53 points.

We struggled to score 26 points against UNC and the third down and fourth down play calling was among the worst I have ever seen. Lashley was mentioned for the Broyles Award up until 7 PM last Saturday. Not so much anymore. IJS

86Cane

From the UM website:

The Tar Heels put up dizzying, record-breaking numbers, totaling 778 total yards, including 554 yards on the ground. No Miami defense has ever allowed numbers that high. And running backs Michael Carter and Javonte Williams combined for 544 yards, an FBS record.

UNC quarterback Sam Howell, meanwhile, threw a touchdown, ran for another and caught a third – and yet, his 14-of-19, 223-yard performance was almost a footnote given what the Tar Heels were able to do with their run game.

“I think a disappointing part and where I have to do a better job is that obviously, we did not make the adjustments through the course of the game on what they were doing to get stops,” Diaz said. “They were able to continue to do the same two or three things over and over again and have the success that they had. Once you’ve got those backs out in the open field, then they really become a problem. We were not ourselves tonight and that was the disappointing part. That is going to make everything look really bad against a motivated football team. The biggest disappointment is that, with everything on the line tonight, we took our eye off the ball. Very disappointing.”

Added defensive end Jaelan Phillips, “I think that they just came to play and we didn’t. I have to give credit to their running backs. Those are probably the two best running backs that I’ve ever seen other than [Clemson’s] Travis Etienne. All credit to them and what they did. They obviously came out here ready to play and they just outplayed us.”

Penalties, again, proved costly

Penalties have, at times this season, been a tough hurdle for the Hurricanes to overcome.

Saturday was another one of those instances.

Miami was whistled seven times for 68 yards – and several of those penalties proved costly, including an early substitution infraction that negated a third-down DJ Ivey interception.

86Cane

You want to hear a SHOCKING statistic?

Total offensive plays in 2020:

UM = 333

Opponents = 720

Cola Cane

That is SHOCKING 86! What I find also quite SHOCKING is we SHELLACKED FSU and they BEAT UNC???

HerbieIbis

Oh it had nothing to do with the game Saturday because UNC is no where at present, close to the 50% line but they are coming.
The point is the talent gap between the top teams and where we are. The same 4 or 5 teams are playing for the ship every year. We have a long way to go and we start off with Bama in 21.
We can't figure out how to run block or pass protect and as long as we have this disease we ain't going very far.
UNC has no better talent than us up front or supposed talent
And run basically the same thing we run, the question becomes how are they able to run for 550 and we run for 75 against a below average defense. Our defense is supposed to be one of the better defenses in college top 30 anyway.
Is it game planning, coaching or what. Manny said they didn't run anything they hadn't seen. How do they have receivers running open and we can't get them off our backs.
Listening to Lake and Ivins sort of taking up for Baker because he didn't recruit McCloud, Steed or Jennings. Our LBers suck plain and simple. I don't know about Huff cause the dude has trouble remembering the defensive calls.
Blades and Ivey are not fast enough to keep up with faster WR's.
We don't have one CB committed. We finally got the DT situation somewhat corrected, now's it's LB and CB. The talent gap is wide at those 2 positions. Need a major up grade at those spots and we don't have great recruiters on that side of the ball. Banda is pretty good but the rest?
Who has Baker help bring in. The same with Patke.
We all know Rumph is one and done, except so far he has zilch.
8-2 was some luck. It seems like every game the other team goes down the field right off the bat and scores. We seem to constantly play from behind.
Adjustments are 2 slow.
The game reminded me of the longest yard when Crew took himself out of the game and when he came back in they didn't block and he got crushed. That's how our defense looked Saturday. They just got out of the way.

TonyCane

Some thoughts two days later:

1. At least one UNC running back goes pro next year, but overall UNC will be better next year. Their quarterback will be a Heisman Trophy finalist in 2021 and a top 3 draft choice in 2022.

2. Miami needs to react, but not overreact. Mack Brown himself had Oklahoma score +60 twice on in (2000, 2003). Butch Davis gave up 63 points when a 7-3 Miami faced a 7-3 Syracuse. This isn’t the end, and you can make the argument that coaching adjustments while continuing to build your talent level will get you where you need to be, like Clemson.

3. For those calling for a wholesale regime change, each regime change usually obliterates the current recruiting class and with ESD, gives the new regime little time to work on the next class. Our talent level is on the ascent - this will take us back to Al Golden levels

4. For those calling for a wholesale regime change, the odds are that little immediate success will come unless the school is willing to overspend. Clemson did this with their roadmap to success. UNC seems to be doing that currently. If Miami is going to change, they need to ape Clemson’s model.

86Cane

What I find also quite SHOCKING is we SHELLACKED FSU and they BEAT UNC???

Posted by: Cola Cane | December 14, 2020 at 11:31 AM

Like I was saying the entire scenario and wins/losses cannot be summarized or explained simply by playing the "talent gap" card as is often done.

What the best coaches always learn and remember that separates them from most other coaches is that it isn't their team, their record or their schemes it is something much more basic than that.

IT IS PRIMARILY INDIVIDUAL MATCH-UPS AND THEN GAME PLANNING AND THEN PLAY CALLING.

This explains how UNC can lose to FSU, we can destroy FSU, and then UNC can then destroy us.

86Cane

For those calling for a wholesale regime change, the odds are that little immediate success will come unless the school is willing to overspend. Clemson did this with their roadmap to success.

Posted by: TonyCane | December 14, 2020 at 11:53 AM

I backed off the regime change. I deleted it from the blog feature article. But nobody is happy with that kaka that we saw on Saturday.

alpine

Posted by: 86Cane | December 14, 2020 at 10:38 AM

this post was very fun to read; well done!

accolades also to tonycane and others

. . . i'm thinking, in general, canespace has more 4 & 5 star posts after losses than after wins (though the posts during losses are mostly on the 1-star level)

86Cane

We have a long way to go and we start off with Bama in 21.

We can't figure out how to run block or pass protect and as long as we have this disease we ain't going very far.

UNC has no better talent than us up front or supposed talent and run basically the same thing we run, the question becomes how are they able to run for 550 and we run for 75 against a below average defense.

Posted by: HerbieIbis | December 14, 2020 at 11:45 AM

Bama? Now U talking 'bout Bama? Child please!

Yeah, it seems that run blocking and pass protection are both pretty important on offense, huh? We can't really do either and we have no identity on offense. Either you use the run to set up the pass (traditional) or you go 4 wide and open passing (new method) and use the pass to set up the run. We do neither.

550 to 75 yards rushing is quite a gap, much larger than the talent gap for sure. I watch UNC and several other teams play on Saturday, watch them be successful on all kind of plays, and ask myself all day: "Why don't WE do that?" Never find the answer.

When Mack called that double reverse pass to the QB for a TD he was just poking Manny if the eye so he could punch him in the stomach. I would be surprised if the UNC OC and Mack were not LOL on the sideline.

CGNC

I didn't catch MD on Joe Rose this morning, but Joe Rose said something about the players came to MD and said they were emotionally drained.

I would love to hear Ed Reed's thoughts

nemo2020

Posted by: Cola Cane | December 14, 2020 at 10:56 AM:

"Nemo I highly doubt Miami opts out of the bowl game!"
CC, you're probably right.

"Why would they do that, . . ?"
One reason is MONEY. The other is HEALTH.

The university's budget was hard hit this year (from loss of income and increased expenses) due to the COVID pandemic.

There is a hiring freeze in effect, and also a salary freeze. Moreover, some salaries were reduced. Every department's budget was cut - including the Athletic Department. UM is not making ANY contributions in 2020 or 2021 to employee retirement accounts.

I understand that the football program lost millions of dollars in revenue due to empty stadiums, etc. The two basketball programs are also going to suffer big financial losses this year. So, what should the U do? Go to a bowl game?

"[t]hey have a chance for a 9-2 season."
Does the UM administration really care? Remember, if we do go to a bowl game, they also have a chance for a 8-3 season. Is it really worth the risk? Is it really worth the expense? Even during a "normal" season, UM sometimes loses money when it goes to a Crappy Bowl. And this year the second- and third-tier bowls may be facing the loss of a lot of money too, because of diminished attendance. So, the payouts to participating teams and conferences will not be so good.

"I'm sure the kids also DON'T want to end the season on how the UNC game turned out."
You are correct, Sir. But DON'T kid yourself. The kids DON'T make that decision. And the best ones, eyeing the NFL draft, may opt out of the bowl game anyway.

Also, there is still the raging pandemic to deal with. And, as such, UM would be quite justified in opting out of a Crappy Bowl game - if only as a precautionary measure. Moreover, who knows? We might have a number of "positive" players who will not even be allowed to travel with the team to a bowl game.

Very few students will be able to go to an out-of-town Crappy Bowl game (due to stadium attendance limitations). Not many fans can go either (not that many would go, if there was no pandemic to deal with). And, because of applicable COVID-19 protocols, no one can guarantee that all scheduled bowl games can/will actually be played. So why bother?

Also, for both fiscal and health related reasons UM has a campus wide "no discretionary travel" policy in effect. Opting out of an out-of-town bowl game could be viewed/justified by UM administration as consistent with that policy.

CC, all I'm saying is "don't be surprised" if UM opts out of a postseason bowl game this year - due to decreased financial benefit and increased COVID-related risk.

Besides, ending this abbreviated season "8-2" ain't so bad.

86Cane

I didn't catch MD on Joe Rose this morning, but Joe Rose said something about the players came to MD and said they were emotionally drained.

I would love to hear Ed Reed's thoughts

Posted by: CGNC | December 14, 2020 at 02:30 PM

If this is true...what a bunch of snowflakes.

We are all emotionally drained. Doesn't mean we don't show up to work. Funny, UNC's players certainly were not emotionally drained, even after traveling, now were they?

You already know what Ed Reed is thinking/saying:

"I'm hurt dawg, don't ask me if I'm hurt. Joaquin said dominate and we ain't doing it. C'mon man, let's go!

roachcane77

BTW the U set an NCAA RECORD Saturday night!

Williams rushed for 236 yards and and Carter for 308.
Their combined 544 yards marks the most by any duo in FBS history.
Their combined 544 yards marks the most by any duo in FBS history.
Their combined 544 yards marks the most by any duo in FBS history.

The pairing blew the previous record of 504 yards out of the water.

Their combined 544 yards marks the most by any duo in FBS history.


This was not just bad defense... it was "HISTORICALLY EPIC," BAD DEFENSE!

COACHING... COACHING... COACHING... coaching...

nemo2020

RC77,

Are you saying that our head coach is NOT a defensive genius?

Who knew?

nemo2020

Who knew?
MACK BROWN

The Herb

I know Mac Brown tried pile drive Manny, well maybe tried is not the word, he pile drove The U thru the turf. Up 30 with 5 minutes to go in the game and had the ball, plus starters still in the game.
Never liked his azz anyway.

Emotionally drained? What a bunch of cream puffs. Manny probably consoled their sorry no tackling azzes. Let's see u play 10 games. U had two bye weeks, plus another 3 weeks because of covid. U shut Puke out after being off 3 weeks and then u are emotionally drained at home, with a chance to play Florida in a bowl game. Got to come up with something better than that.
Tony,
We ain't losing no cruits if we can those 3 amigos (Baker, Patke and Rumph). They aren't tied solely to any one recruit.

roachcane77

Who knew?
MACK BROWN
Posted by: nemo2020 | December 14, 2020 at 05:45 PM

😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭

roachcane77

As POOR as our defense was against the run vs. UNC Saturday, I went back and rewatched some of the game, (now that the initial trauma and shock has worn off). Just a few observations:

1) There was definitely something VERY wrong, or "off" with our defense... it was almost like they were all high... totally "out of it" from the get-go.

2) The UNC RBs came out like studs and champions... they ran with tremendous intent. While on many plays they ran virtually untouched... on many others they worked hard for their yardage, and dominated. Javonte Williams and Michael Carter... not exactly household names, but man, THEY sure showed up reagyand put up the MOST RUNNING YARDAGE OF ANY TANDEM, EVER... EVER in CFB HISTORY. If you get a chance to rewatch the game... just do it from the prospective of an NFL Scout looking for running backs and evaluating them. (From BOTH teams... )

3) Mack Brown took COMPLETE CONTROL of every aspect of that game. Pounced quickly, and then COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN the GAME for 3 quarters, using EVERY second of the play clock. He totally schooled CMD and Baker.

It was just a shame that neither our players or coaches were motivated or prepared for such a huge event, and THEIR players and coaches were on fire.

Just my thoughts...
Here's hoping for some good early signing news...🙌🏼

nemo2020

I hate to say it. But THIS Canes thing, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

58 Straight

RoachCane says:

"There was definitely something VERY wrong, or "off" with our defense... it was almost like they were all high... totally "out of it" from the get-go."

Nah, that's just the fans complaining because they had a few? LOL

roachcane77

We ain't losing no cruits if we can those 3 amigos (Baker, Patke and Rumph). They aren't tied solely to any one recruit.
Posted by: The Herb | December 14, 2020 at 06:18 PM

Agreed... Defense is soft... Our defense needs to dominate like year's past.

I wonder what Ed Reed can do, or is doing, or feeling, during all of this?

58 Straight

I wonder what Ed Reed can do, or is doing, or feeling, during all of this?

Posted by: roachcane77 | December 14, 2020 at 08:13 PM

I think he should be embarrassed for the team or to be even involved in something like the defensive performance we witnessed on Saturday. Either he becomes DC or he walks. That's my take, what is yours?

The Herb

Maybe Ed needs to be around a little more, throw his cigar at the chalk board and go off.
He was part of a 53 point beat down only to turn around the next game and beat a 10-0 UCLA team. Their defense that year wasn't so hot.

roachcane77

Either he becomes DC or he walks. That's my take, what is yours?
Posted by: 58 Straight | December 14, 2020 at 10:04 PM

I would take Ed Reed as the new DC... In a heartbeat.🙌🏼

Cola Cane

Has anyone heard news about Harley??

CGNC

Joe rose Manny Diaz podcast 12/14/20

https://wqam.radio.com/media/audio-channel/manny-diaz-with-joe-rose-12-14

"We sucked on Saturday", "team appeared emotionally exhausted". Talked with Ed reed for an hour about 98 Syracuse. Not a bad interview

CoCane

CGNC

I hope that hour long conversation with Reed was about how Butch fired the DC after that game 🙏🏿

VA Cane


The penalties were so bad...unacceptable...the attitude and the will to win was never there.

Just perhaps the worst effort since AlPa got canned after Clemson game.

86Cane

This is who got fired in 1998:

Bill Miller (born June 1956) is an American football coach. He served as defensive coordinator at Nevada, Oklahoma State, Miami (FL), Michigan State, Arizona State, Western Michigan, and Kansas.

This is who got hired in 1999:

Schiano served as defensive coordinator for the University of Miami Hurricanes from 1999 to 2000. In 1999, Miami finished the year ranked 12th in the NCAA's Division I-A in points allowed per game (17.2), and in 2000 moved up to 5th (15.5 points allowed per game). His brief 18-month stint at Miami and his roots in New Jersey made him a candidate for his next position as head coach at Rutgers University.

While at the University of Miami, Schiano coached NFL Pro Bowlers Dan Morgan, Jonathan Vilma, and Ed Reed.

Terrance Sullivan

Look North Carolina Was Basically The Pool Guy or Cleaning Lady Came Into Our House Ate Steak And Seafood With All The Fixings Popping Bottles Of Champagne, Slept With Our Spouse In The Master Bedroom,Showered Off With Your Spouse In The Master Bathroom, And Left With A Gus Malzahn Going Away Fat Check!

86Cane

And Left With A Gus Malzahn Going Away Fat Check!

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | December 15, 2020 at 12:23 PM

Is there a way I can apply for this option?

Terrance M Sullivan

Soupster Great Question Because I would love that option as well. BTW Seems like Mario Cristobal is Auburn's Top Priorty to be there New Head Coach! Ha The Sports Radio Here Is Going Crazy and I am looking around and saying Mario okay it aint like he Dabo or Nick or Jimbo or Ryan or Lincoln!

orange 'n green in the vein

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30526143/virginia-tech-coach-justin-fuente-back-21

Cowardly chokies keep trying to get everyone to say they have a rivalry with Miami dating all the way back to the legendary nonrival they used to be in the big east but when it's time to actually point out how bad they've been still recently conveniently want to claim "pointed out Fuente has 4-1 records against main rivals Virginia and North Carolina." So they're rivals with Miami but forget that they're main rivals with UNC when they don't want to count their 2-3 record against UM to save a buck.

What a shitty program.

86Cane

TSully the real question is:

Mario > Manny ???

AfriCane

Remember the game against Washington in the orange bowl when we got run all over. Warren sapp played in that game. So we’ve been doing this a long time. We occasionally lay turds. But we come back. It’s cane nature.

AfriCane

Miami is a hell of a program. If u come here & fuck up as a coach, u r done. Even smiley has not gotten consideration for an HC job since he left. And that’s considering that he has rebounded as a great DC after going to Arkansas, Florida, and helping to revive UCF.
And when coaches do well here, they jump off to the NFL.

CGNC

Posted by: CoCane | December 15, 2020 at 09:15 AM

Co! LOL you are on point as always. What did you think of that mess?

CGNC

TSully when the pool guy and cleaning lady get together it is never good. LOL

The Herb

Looks like we may get our qb tomorrow. CB'S are another story. Might as well just use safeties as corners, it couldn't be no worse.
Better hope we play Oak St., instead of Texas. There liable to throw for half a hundred.

VA Cane

86 need your help in a matter....not bad....a good thing.
Please email me grover.martin@comcast.net

I would appreciate it sir!

We need to go to a bowl....after a big azz team meeting and all look in the mirror and say....is that who we are vs NC?

I should hope not....time to get off the mat and do something!!!!!


Afri I admire your commitment....you are the real deal my friend.....we got to get off the turf....laying there does nothing.....make that effort Canes...get up get going!!!!!!

86Cane

VA Cane...email sent.

Terrance Sullivan

Lol CGNC Haha 😂

AfriCane

VA, the way i see it, there is no choice. the school you go to is like your family, you r always on their side. besides, the way i see it, we have a lot more antagonists as canes fans. we need a balance. there r 99% 'fire breathers.' some of us have to bring calm.
also, look at it this way, the definition of madness is doing the same thing again and expecting a different result. we have been waiting to get back to the top for 15 years. 6 years ago, i decided to stop following the pack and getting mad everytime we loose. it was evident to me it would take time. its too stressful to keep getting pissed off everytime also. i decided to accept our team for what it is. there is shit we do now that we've been doing since under howard & jimmy, like penalties, playng down to competition. we just have to look at this differently. forget this crazy blowout crap jobs that have been happening for years no matter what type of team we have. look at the type of team & organization we've had over the last 3 years and compare it to other eras over the last 15 years. i would say its been better this era. i have high blood pressure. i'm not trying to have a heart attack.

AeroCane

McDonald, George, Rodriguez, Curtis - papers sent in so far

AeroCane

Thad Franklin is in - big, strong RB

AeroCane

Kinchens and Brantley are in

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